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Aerrevan (AER)
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Aerrevan Forum » General Discussion » Developer Speaks out against PvP Guild

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  User Deleted
5/29/10 10:30:58 AM#21

I do understand the OP somewhat. Though I would have liked a link to the thread.

If a MMO allows PvP, then the players should be allowed to make use of that feature, even if that means griefing or ganking. Though if I don't know what's so fun about ganking. I also know it destroys the experience for other players, but if there is PvP in a MMO, either the mechanics of the game have to prevent players who don't want to do PvP from being ganked, or the player should choose another game. All players should know what they get into when they play a PvP MMO.

  Kyleran

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5/29/10 10:31:50 AM#22
Originally posted by epicor
Originally posted by Vinterkrig
Originally posted by Elitekill4
How ignorant can you get? Not much more than this guy, I'd hope.Griefing ruins other peoples' experiences. What do you get out of it? Why don't you do REAL PvP instead of ganking/griefing people for lulz?And why should the devs have to appeal to everyone?

define real pvp? griefing is still player vs player, though honestly we aren't really spawn campers or corpse campers

and to be h onest, I'm sure the AI from the mobs in Aerrevan will be lack luster, as every other MMO... watching your back, the element of surprise and the competition with real people is what online gaming should always be about.. imo :D

 

if you wanna experience a good rpg, I hear dragon age is great, I'm sure you could even start up a vent server and talk to people while playing the same game :D

hahahahaha.  vinter +1

@the naysayers:  Griefing as an end is futile, ignorant and demoralizing.  Griefing as a means to instigate clan warfare,  server unity and player interaction is not.  Learn to tell the difference and you may find whole new avenues of gaming become available.

Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  SimperFi

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Joined: 7/18/08
Posts: 108

"Dance with me death...I am ready"

5/29/10 10:50:18 AM#23

I see this has a good deal of posts already so I don't know if anyone will even read mine, but I'm putting it up here anyway.

 

 

To the OP, I'm not a carebear buddy not in the least. I see violence as a part of human nature and a simple and effective way to solving problems.

 

 

Now that said, I read your reply about these people arguing for "carebear land". Look, we call these games MMORPGS...RPGS...ROLE PLAYING GAME. So you need to calm down and have mommy take you off the pills. If you want to talk hardcore, send me your address and if you live close enough maybe I'll have a talk with your parents about what you're doing on the internet (at the very least).

 

I've seen thousands of little whimps like you acting tough of the internet and I'm sick of it. You wanna talk about hardcore? Back up and reconsider who you are, sweetheart.

 

This developer was protecting his community from little punks. God bless him. We're tired of putting up with ignorant shite-heads   (that's not a spelling error) who just want to ruin games. and YES YOU ARE A GRIEFER get over yourself.

 

THank you sit down and shut up. Assuming you had the attention span to read this whole message.

  Miner-2049er

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Joined: 8/13/07
Posts: 436

5/29/10 11:09:07 AM#24
Originally posted by Ashlura

Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

Yes, we all secretly want to be ganked and griefed, and we all want to play games where our corpses are camped. I'm glad you came along because all the games were just so boring before you showed up. I guess you're like the Al Capone of the internet, and everyone is scared of you.

  Hellrazor27

Novice Member

Joined: 11/08/08
Posts: 56

" PvP should never be an afterthought in any MMO , conflict is what will keep your game alive "

5/29/10 11:50:19 AM#25

LMAO if they want this to be a role playing game then DONT put PvP in it and dont give "Freedom" .As long as the game has PvP you will have guys like me and clan like Noxxious that just want to wreck your day.

 

PS .Thanks to the guy who posted this we love the chatter about us.

  CubeForce

Aerrevan Developer

Joined: 5/08/10
Posts: 3

5/29/10 12:22:11 PM#26
The PM referenced at the start of this thread was sent when a post was removed from this guilds recruitment thread. The post was removed because Ashlura (mmorpg.com username) had lashed out at a number of our community members who did not agree with the guild ideologies. The post was in violation of many forum rules and used very strong language. The recruitment thread was not removed and the admin did not tell them their guild was unwelcome. He simply stated that the response our community was giving him was to be expected considering Aerrevans target audience and he should refrain from lashing out at people who disagree with him in such an extreme manner. Ashlura then decided to withdraw his guild recruitment thread and seems to now believe the developers of Aerrevan are against PvP guilds. PvP is a central component of Aerrevan, we have a number of features designed purely for the PvP market. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and maybe Aerrevan is not right for a greifer guild, but that does not mean that we are anti-pvp. Such a claim is very clearly not based on factual information, but rather the emotions of this community member. If anyone has any further questions regarding our stance on PvP, please feel free to ask them, I will be watching this thread.
 
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  Vinterkrig

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Joined: 1/22/07
Posts: 1715

5/29/10 12:51:37 PM#27
Originally posted by Kyleran
Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

but seriously, what is noble about a video game to begin with?

  User Deleted
5/29/10 1:35:19 PM#28
Originally posted by Vinterkrig
Originally posted by Kyleran
Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

but seriously, what is noble about a video game to begin with?

That's the problem. Just like in forums, people people somehow feel that communication and interaction through electronic media makes you unaccountable to the normal courtesies of society. You intereact with people in an MMO, that's where any nobility would come in.

Personally, though I love PvP, I don't attack lower level people or people I see questing/low life and minding their own business because I was raised to treat others how you want to be treated. Might seem strange to not have a double standard for the 'Internet' but that's because I wasn't raised in the cocky self deserving 90's.

Thanks to this post though, I'm also checking out Aerrevan, heh.

  epicor

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Joined: 4/11/08
Posts: 60

5/29/10 2:35:19 PM#29
Originally posted by Kyleran

hahahahaha.  vinter +1

@the naysayers:  Griefing as an end is futile, ignorant and demoralizing.  Griefing as a means to instigate clan warfare,  server unity and player interaction is not.  Learn to tell the difference and you may find whole new avenues of gaming become available.

Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

I have to question whether you read, and understood my post.  As you said, a purpose.  Like clan warfare, server unity and player interaction...?

  cjy420

Novice Member

Joined: 5/27/09
Posts: 27

5/29/10 2:55:29 PM#30

I have to say that i find games boring if there arent real life "villains".  Whenever i start a game i look at the world chat or forums and find the guild that everyone loves to hate.  That way if a group of my friends see one of them we will give em a hard time just as they do.  

Having a "villain" guild can and will provoke, some non pvpers into pvp.....it happened to me.  Theres a certain composure that these "bad guys" should have when conducting themselves, like keeping language clean and insults to mere hits on ego and not corpse camping.  Its real easy to go from the "bad guy" to the "biggest douche in the universe".

  Kyleran

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Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

5/29/10 2:59:57 PM#31
Originally posted by epicor
Originally posted by Kyleran

hahahahaha.  vinter +1

@the naysayers:  Griefing as an end is futile, ignorant and demoralizing.  Griefing as a means to instigate clan warfare,  server unity and player interaction is not.  Learn to tell the difference and you may find whole new avenues of gaming become available.

Sadly, the two are pretty indistiguishable and more often than not, griefing is done for its own sake, and not some sort of noble purpose.

Speaking of PVP, I prefer mine has a purpose, a goal, a reason to occur, otherwise leave me the hell alone in my games.

I have to question whether you read, and understood my post.  As you said, a purpose.  Like clan warfare, server unity and player interaction...?

I have to question whether you understand what a reasonable purpose in a game is. Such as holding a keep, fortress, territory or zone.  Your goals don't appeal to me. I could care less about server unity, unless we're talking faction vs faction, player interaction is much more enjoyable when cooperating with each other rather than facing off against antagonists.

Stop trying to sugar coat your griefing in a coat of positives, doesn't work for me.

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  emota

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Joined: 9/16/07
Posts: 341

5/29/10 3:03:42 PM#32

Well done the devs!!!

 

Hoorah!

  Spiritof55

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Posts: 414

5/29/10 3:06:09 PM#33
Originally posted by Kyleran

I had missed this game, thanks for pointing it out.

As for the OP, looks like its good riddance to bad rubbish.

PVP is one thing, griefing behavior has little in common with it.

imo pvp is used as an excuse for griefing

there are many who don't see a line between the two, for those idiots pvp = griefing

pvp = no rules = anything goes = griefing

  Rohn

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Joined: 7/02/08
Posts: 3754

5/29/10 3:09:00 PM#34
Originally posted by Ashlura

Its only the people attempting to fight for carebear land that are arguing the points for the developers.

We arent griefers. I just wont kick people from the Guild because they choose to do it. We dont run Corpse Camping events, but I can tell you, the best way to start a fight is to mess with people. This is when they call in the troops.

 

Why look for a fight, when you can bring one to you?

 

It's simple gaming. For those that say you have played this and that, obviously you have stuck with the lighter side of things in those games. You gank, to inspire others Guildies to come fight for their people. This is how you get Guild vs Guild in World PvP. Deal with it.

 

My post here wasnt meant for drama, it was meant to spread the word. There arent many RPrs left in the World. I havent even played the game yet, but based off of what the dev said to me, yeah, the game will fail. I will resurrect this post later when it does ;) To meet todays needs, you HAVE to meet the needs of all player types. 

 

Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

 

Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

 

What's funny is that everyone that responded here is over there too. :D No one else even gives a shit. But when the games FAQ catches their eye like it did mine, then they will see my post and:

1) Play it just to make your lives a living hell

2) Not play it which brings no revenue to the developers which eventually leads to shutting down the project :D

 

Good luck

 

You said it yourself.  A game should try to support the desires of as many player types as possible.

Anarchy only benefits one player type, and precludes other player types from existing.  That has been proven in many other games, time and time again.  It's a recipe for assured failure.

Thus, your own argument is an argument against the "exciting" playstyle you think you bring to the world.  The game may still crash and burn, but that won't be because they limited asshattery in their game.  In fact, such a limitation is a strength if you really are trying to foster multiple playstyles.

Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  epicor

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Joined: 4/11/08
Posts: 60

5/29/10 5:37:03 PM#35

You all still don't seem to understand what exactly we are saying.  You are imaging randoms camping you for hours on end for no reason other than to ruin your day.  While that does occasionally happen, cause, well we can be assholes and make no apologies, it's not our focus.  In simplest terms we are the Americans of the game. If we decide to declare war we don't line up and let the troops fire at will.  We don't send a letter of warning.  We just start killing your players.  We don't care that you were waiting on spawns.  We don't care that you were outnumbered.  We don't care that you were outlevelled.  

  User Deleted
5/29/10 6:48:48 PM#36
Originally posted by epicor

You all still don't seem to understand what exactly we are saying.  You are imaging randoms camping you for hours on end for no reason other than to ruin your day.  While that does occasionally happen, cause, well we can be assholes and make no apologies, it's not our focus.  In simplest terms we are the Americans of the game. If we decide to declare war we don't line up and let the troops fire at will.  We don't send a letter of warning.  We just start killing your players.  We don't care that you were waiting on spawns.  We don't care that you were outnumbered.  We don't care that you were outlevelled.  

lol yah i think everyone pretty much understands what you are saying :)...especially now.

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4888

5/29/10 7:05:31 PM#37
Originally posted by CubeForce
The PM referenced at the start of this thread was sent when a post was removed from this guilds recruitment thread. The post was removed because Ashlura (mmorpg.com username) had lashed out at a number of our community members who did not agree with the guild ideologies. The post was in violation of many forum rules and used very strong language. The recruitment thread was not removed and the admin did not tell them their guild was unwelcome. He simply stated that the response our community was giving him was to be expected considering Aerrevans target audience and he should refrain from lashing out at people who disagree with him in such an extreme manner. Ashlura then decided to withdraw his guild recruitment thread and seems to now believe the developers of Aerrevan are against PvP guilds. PvP is a central component of Aerrevan, we have a number of features designed purely for the PvP market. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and maybe Aerrevan is not right for a greifer guild, but that does not mean that we are anti-pvp. Such a claim is very clearly not based on factual information, but rather the emotions of this community member. If anyone has any further questions regarding our stance on PvP, please feel free to ask them, I will be watching this thread.
 
CubeForce Media - Aerrevan Development Team

 So basically the OP started this thread because he had a little temper tantrum and tried to vent and get someone, anyone to tell him he was in the right without giving the facts. Nothing new, sounds a bit like and angry kid to me. Anyway the thread should have ended with this post lol.

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4888

5/29/10 7:21:09 PM#38

I will say this though lol, thanks OP this MMO seemed to fly under my radar and I wouldn't have know about it likely without your little rant. So thanks :) looks interesting.

  MacDeath

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Joined: 5/04/10
Posts: 21

5/29/10 11:47:57 PM#39

I'm one of the beta testers for Aerrevan and I will be focusing a lot of my time in game to PvP,  I enjoy PvP in every game I play.  But I don't grief and I don't like griefers.  The guild charter for the OPs guild says they focus on Rez killing, corpse camping, etc.  Some games allow such activites.  Aerrevan's Devs have suggested that their community is more focused on roleplaying and gankers will be frowned upon.  A griefer guild will see that as "Carebear Land".  I see it as a Dev taking responsability to protect the game and community.  Thanks CubeForce,

MacDeath

  Maduo

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Joined: 5/30/10
Posts: 8

Don't know, Don't care.

5/30/10 3:21:47 AM#40

I would just like to say LOL at this thread XD

Even without the devs saying otherwise, guilds like this are ridiculed publicly anyways, it's just nice to see the devs of a game coming together with the community once in a blue moon.

 

to the griefers go the grief, do the ashes taste good knowing they are coming so close to home?

 

EDIT: is there a way to promote topics like these to headlines? XD

I'd really like to spread this across the entire web =)

[Nuclear Launch Detected]

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