Well if youre going to turn a hardcore korean game carebear, you might as welll go ball deep.

Originally posted by Kalfer

Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh

Originally posted by Jaedor

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.

Say what?

 

Speaking as a mature adult who used to play about 60 hours a week, please don't project your skewed perspective around as it is not just incorrect but also in the vast minority of players. kthx

Mature adults who work for a living and put their family before half naked five year old furries*

If that is wrong, then I don't want to live in a world that is right!

 

/thread

I feel like this is missing someething.

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@Lectrocuda

It's not ignorance, I never said I would judge the expression over the content. My point to my kids and what I'm arguing here is that people will judge you by your vocabulary, right or wrong, and you are censoring yourself by creating that static.

Originally posted by Boatsmate

This entire,"... adults don't play video games..." thing has been really worked hard in these forums many times. A quick internet search will show several recent surveys by both independent and marketing firms agree that the average video game player is 35 years of age. They have grown up with games and continue to play them. That is why in the interest of profiting from them you see the more gritty,mature games becoming common.  Though I guess age doesn't always equal maturity. My favorite survey by a marketing firm conluded, "The average video game player is 35 years old, fat, and depressed".

You so couldnt get any more true lol, *High5*,  im 19 im not fat but im 6 ft tall exactly, and weigh 165. tho i probably will end up like that when im 35 haha.

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

Originally posted by Boatsmate

This entire,"... adults don't play video games..." thing has been really worked hard in these forums many times. A quick internet search will show several recent surveys by both independent and marketing firms agree that the average video game player is 35 years of age. They have grown up with games and continue to play them. That is why in the interest of profiting from them you see the more gritty,mature games becoming common.  Though I guess age doesn't always equal maturity. My favorite survey by a marketing firm conluded, "The average video game player is 35 years old, fat, and depressed".

You so couldnt get any more true lol, *High5*,  im 19 im not fat but im 6 ft tall exactly, and weigh 165. tho i probably will end up like that when im 35 haha.

fyi, from what I've seen and experienced your metabolism changes at around 40.

And in many cases during your 30's your outlook on life can change. Just a thought there.

Originally posted by elocke

OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive?  May want to think about that.  If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same.  I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.

+1

If you cant converse in open chat without swearing then you have bigger issues. Cuss all you want in private msg / party or guild chat.

I also wish other games would enforce this.

I was always told. "People curse do to the lack of anything intelligent to say"

Not sure why this is even an issue.  En Masse has the right to restirict profanity and you have the right to spend your money elsewhere if you don't like it.

Originally posted by Shmackpappy

Not sure why this is even an issue.  En Masse has the right to restirict profanity and you have the right to spend your money elsewhere if you don't like it.

Pretty much this, but apparently this is a pro-censorship statement around here.

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
@Lectrocuda

It's not ignorance, I never said I would judge the expression over the content. My point to my kids and what I'm arguing here is that people will judge you by your vocabulary, right or wrong, and you are censoring yourself by creating that static.

I think that is a legitimate point, and I concede my previous statement.

 

Likewise, it is beneficial to teach them that, as some people certainly do judge people by their vocabulary. However, to teach them to judge on the basis of vocabulary is an entirely different situation.

You are correct but children are very inquisitive but require concrete justification at the same time lol. This doesn't always meld well with the real world but you do what you can. My goal is to teach them how to make clear and informative decisions. Be better than there dad essentially lol.

:) critical thinking is the key to any free society.

 

now I must go play Tera and tear some "shit" up :p

Originally posted by Shmackpappy

Not sure why this is even an issue.  En Masse has the right to restirict profanity and you have the right to spend your money elsewhere if you don't like it.

Exactly and I agree. On both accounts.

Yes, do! I will be joining you this evening :)

For the Federation!

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Yes, do! I will be joining you this evening :)

For the Federation!

I will be joining you all after the pub and after our B movie. And hopefully they will have solved the server issues by then.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Yes, do! I will be joining you this evening :)

For the Federation!

I will be joining you all after the pub and after our B movie. And hopefully they will have solved the server issues by then.

I'll be there as well, as soon as I can shake free from my day job.

I know how to swear, but more importantly, I know when and where it is more acceptable.

I remember the early MMO's there actually were GM's who would have monitored the in game chat and laid down bans for open swearing in them.  The good old days.

Of course that changed as time has gone by (I won't point fingers at any particular game with over 12M subs) and people forgot that swearing is neither a right nor ever necessary to get your point across in effective communication.

I'm not overly sensitive, I turn off the chat filter on all games but cringe sometimes at what gets discussed. (normally more from the content than the actual words themselves)

In the end, I'd like chat in games to be about... the game itself. I don't want to hear how MU is doing, or what you think about politics, religion, your sister's best friend, I want to hear about games.

If Tera is screening out profanity and handing out warnings, more power to them, I probably just added another month to my sub time for that.

 

Originally posted by stringboi

Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh

Originally posted by elocke

OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive?  May want to think about that.  If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same.  I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.

No, I'm just not liking the idea of being limited to what I say, I'm paying for the game, I should be allowed to say what I want.

This isn't maple story, it shouldn't have word filters. IMO anyways.

I think people should start watching what they say and how they carry themselves in game.  People nowadays think that just because they are behind a PC that they can act and do whatever they want.  Theres no reason to use foul language....there really isnt.  There are kids and others that do not want to hear that kind of talk in chat and you shouldnt assume that just because its ok with you, everyone should have to deal with it.  

You dont hear people using foul language elsewhere (for the most part, unless they have no manners)....why should it be any different in game?

Wow... just wow... I really take offense to how certain words are deemed "foul". I mean, you can be quite foul without using these so called "bad" words. They're just words. It's the context and meaning behind what you say that should matter. I have heard people in games say disqusting shit without ever using a "bad" word. So that's ok by you? Why don't we just run everything everyone says through a commitee, and then once it's approved, we can put it in chat. So if you say something, people may see it in a week or so. Way to push your personal beliefs on others. That's mature. I don't like it, so clearly no one else should either. The fact is, you have a choice just as you do in the real world to surround yourself with others who share your opinion on language, playstyle etc. If in the real world, you don't hang around with anyone who uses "FOUL LANGUAGE" well then, good for you. You can also do that in game, however,  to tell folks they can't use adult language is just crazy talk. 

 

I mean really.... Why is Fuck a bad word? Who said so? Society? As a whole? We all agreeded on this at some point? I have to say that I for one wasn't notified. So, who is the supreme chancellor of foul language? Can I get an email address? I have some valid arguments I would like to bring up. 

 

And as far as kids go, do you have any? Cause I do. I have a 4 y/o and guess what? He has heard "curse" words and foul langauge. But you know what else? He knows the difference between what he can say and what he can't because I as his parent taught him. So if you have a child playing a game, you as their parent have every right to tell them how to speak. Me on the other hand, don't tell me how to speak. What are you going to do, shield people forever from hearing bad things? If you don't like what people are saying, walk away or log off.  

 

I believe that the only thing a game has the responsibilty to do is add a filter and allow it to be on or off. Any game that starts policing everything someone says will  fail. If this is true about Tera, i will bet you any amount of money they stop and go back to the chat filter once they start loosing subs.. and they will. 

Originally posted by Praetalus

Originally posted by stringboi

Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh

Originally posted by elocke

OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive?  May want to think about that.  If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same.  I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.

No, I'm just not liking the idea of being limited to what I say, I'm paying for the game, I should be allowed to say what I want.

This isn't maple story, it shouldn't have word filters. IMO anyways.

I think people should start watching what they say and how they carry themselves in game.  People nowadays think that just because they are behind a PC that they can act and do whatever they want.  Theres no reason to use foul language....there really isnt.  There are kids and others that do not want to hear that kind of talk in chat and you shouldnt assume that just because its ok with you, everyone should have to deal with it.  

You dont hear people using foul language elsewhere (for the most part, unless they have no manners)....why should it be any different in game?

Wow... just wow... I really take offense to how certain words are deemed "foul". I mean, you can be quite foul without using these so called "bad" words. They're just words. It's the context and meaning behind what you say that should matter. I have heard people in games say disqusting shit without ever using a "bad" word. So that's ok by you? Why don't we just run everything everyone says through a commitee, and then once it's approved, we can put it in chat. So if you say something, people may see it in a week or so. Way to push your personal beliefs on others. That's mature. I don't like it, so clearly no one else should either. The fact is, you have a choice just as you do in the real world to surround yourself with others who share your opinion on language, playstyle etc. If in the real world, you don't hang around with anyone who uses "FOUL LANGUAGE" well then, good for you. You can also do that in game, however,  to tell folks they can't use adult language is just crazy talk. 

 

I mean really.... Why is Fuck a bad word? Who said so? Society? As a whole? We all agreeded on this at some point? I have to say that I for one wasn't notified. So, who is the supreme chancellor of foul language? Can I get an email address? I have some valid arguments I would like to bring up. 

 

And as far as kids go, do you have any? Cause I do. I have a 4 y/o and guess what? He has heard "curse" words and foul langauge. But you know what else? He knows the difference between what he can say and what he can't because I as his parent taught him. So if you have a child playing a game, you as their parent have every right to tell them how to speak. Me on the other hand, don't tell me how to speak. What are you going to do, shield people forever from hearing bad things? If you don't like what people are saying, walk away or log off.  

 

I believe that the only thing a game has the responsibilty to do is add a filter and allow it to be on or off. Any game that starts policing everything someone says will  fail. If this is true about Tera, i will bet you any amount of money they stop and go back to the chat filter once they start loosing subs.. and they will. 

Yes, in fact that's exactly how it works, sorry you didn't get the memo.

C'mon, don't be intentionally obtuse, you know from common sense when it is appropriate to use the word fuck and when it isn't.

You don't need to appeal to a governing body for a rulling.

Socially acceptable, a simple concept, and of course one that changes over time and varies between cultures. 

Best thing to do is take a look at your surroundings and adapt to the situation you find yourself in.

 

 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Yes, do! I will be joining you this evening :)

For the Federation!

I will be joining you all after the pub and after our B movie. And hopefully they will have solved the server issues by then.

I'll be there as well, as soon as I can shake free from my day job.

I know how to swear, but more importantly, I know when and where it is more acceptable.

I remember the early MMO's there actually were GM's who would have monitored the in game chat and laid down bans for open swearing in them.  The good old days.

Of course that changed as time has gone by (I won't point fingers at any particular game with over 12M subs) and people forgot that swearing is neither a right nor ever necessary to get your point across in effective communication.

I'm not overly sensitive, I turn off the chat filter on all games but cringe sometimes at what gets discussed. (normally more from the content than the actual words themselves)

In the end, I'd like chat in games to be about... the game itself. I don't want to hear how MU is doing, or what you think about politics, religion, your sister's best friend, I want to hear about games.

If Tera is screening out profanity and handing out warnings, more power to them, I probably just added another month to my sub time for that.

 

So if we were playing a game, and I said, "damn, that mob is f**cking (filtered for ya) huge!" You would report me?

 

What you guys seem to be missing is that "curse" words and slang have become part of everyday speach. I know what you mean about when and where to curse, and I of course agree; but gaming is down time. It's meant to be relaxing, to let off steam. Someone is not a bad person just because they say to another friend at the end of a long day... "man, this was a shitty f**cking day".  That's completely normal and an accepted way amoungst friends to get your point accross is it not? Is the person who said that some type of  ne'er do well that you should aviold at all cost and report to the authorities?

 

Also, just wondering, do you guys watch only PG or G rated movies? Or do you find it acceptable in that medium to use any language the writer sees fit?  When you're watching a movie and someone curses, do you turn it off?

 

You mentioned "socially acceptable" before. So I ask you this: Look around you. Look at the "R" rated movies, the language in video games such as Modern Warfare, look at the comics, look at the art, guess what> The lanuage you're so offended by is everywhere. It's rampant.  It is socially acceptable. 

Originally posted by Boatsmate

I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.

I was military too for 24 years and don't swear unless it's necessary (hammer on thumb). Not to stereotype but it seems kids nowadays have started swearing worse than sailors from the 50s. Not sure what brought it on but it may be our generations fault for not being able to whip the stuff out of them.  :D