Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Chib, you nor anyone else knows what GW2 is going to do for the genere, only what people think it will. We'll have to wait and see. TERA offers a lot more than it's combat. I don't expect you to know this since your not interested in TERA but since you have camped in this thread you might come a little more prepared.

The P2P/B2P gets muddied if you offer a lot of convenience items people want to purchase. Arguing the merits of one over the other are silly.

you mean the cash shop that tera has in korea and will probably come here

i played the tera beta it looks pretty and has action combat

its fun but not worth $15 a month to me

and it was already discussed earlier that my issues with being rooted

when you use an ability goes away after lvl 20

but it doesnt change the fact that the game gives a bad 1st impression

 i was interested but with GW2 coming id rather wait and try its beta out 

before i choose to spend my money 

i could try gw2 and not like and then ill just b playing aion till PSO2 comes out in the US

 On my word if NA TERA has a cash shop like the one GW2 looks to have (they might change it a bit before release) and still expect a sub price I will unsub and never look back until it's changed back.  I don't care about skins (cosmetic items) or special looking mounts in a P2P CS.  In fact, like you yourself said, item shops to sell well but to me it's what's in the CS that's important.

The GW2 cash shop is no problem. It's the KTera cash shop that's scary.

frankly, i dont get a shit as i intend to play both tera and gw2, what puzzle me why ppl post shit when both games arent even launch yet....

just a waste of time imo, trying to predict whats gonna happen really if u are so good at it you should be a rich man by now instead of wasting your time here ROFLMAO.

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Originally posted by otacu

The GW2 cash shop is no problem. It's the KTera cash shop that's scary.

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And what is so scary about the Korean Tera cash shop?

You dont have to explain the first part because its obvious that someone like you would see no fault in GW2s cash shop.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by otacu

The GW2 cash shop is no problem. It's the KTera cash shop that's scary.

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And what is so scary about the Korean Tera cash shop?

 

You dont have to explain the first part because its obvious that someone like you would see no fault in GW2s cash shop.

it was shown earlier in links if you bothered to look at them that the gw2 cash shop atm has nothing p2w 

the only item that is worrysome is the resurection orb but with gw2 design it really isnt that useful

and the tera cash shop has at the very least paying real money for your mod protection though idk how much this affects the game

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by otacu

The GW2 cash shop is no problem. It's the KTera cash shop that's scary.

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And what is so scary about the Korean Tera cash shop?

 

You dont have to explain the first part because its obvious that someone like you would see no fault in GW2s cash shop.

it was shown earlier in links if you bothered to look at them that the gw2 cash shop atm has nothing p2w 

the only item that is worrysome is the resurection orb but with gw2 design it really isnt that useful

and the tera cash shop has at the very least paying real money for your mod protection though idk how much this affects the game

mod protection what o.o? the only thing remotely close to p2w is the a resurection item like GW2 as well. Idk about KTera but NA get mod protection as a in game item.....

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by otacu

The GW2 cash shop is no problem. It's the KTera cash shop that's scary.

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And what is so scary about the Korean Tera cash shop?

 

You dont have to explain the first part because its obvious that someone like you would see no fault in GW2s cash shop.

it was shown earlier in links if you bothered to look at them that the gw2 cash shop atm has nothing p2w 

the only item that is worrysome is the resurection orb but with gw2 design it really isnt that useful

and the tera cash shop has at the very least paying real money for your mod protection though idk how much this affects the game

mod protection what o.o? the only thing remotely close to p2w is the a resurection item like GW2 as well. Idk about KTera but NA get mod protection as a in game item.....

the orb doesnt mean much for gw2 when you can self rez and everyone and rez you and you can just run from the last checkpoint in a dungeon so IF it even makes it through the beta to release it wont make any real diff. and iw as talking about ktera since there is not cash shop for US tera YET. and arenanet has a reputation with gw1 cash shop, nothing in that cash shop was P2W.

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by otacu

The GW2 cash shop is no problem. It's the KTera cash shop that's scary.

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And what is so scary about the Korean Tera cash shop?

 

You dont have to explain the first part because its obvious that someone like you would see no fault in GW2s cash shop.

it was shown earlier in links if you bothered to look at them that the gw2 cash shop atm has nothing p2w 

the only item that is worrysome is the resurection orb but with gw2 design it really isnt that useful

and the tera cash shop has at the very least paying real money for your mod protection though idk how much this affects the game

mod protection what o.o? the only thing remotely close to p2w is the a resurection item like GW2 as well. Idk about KTera but NA get mod protection as a in game item.....

the orb doesnt mean much for gw2 when you can self rez and everyone can rez you and you can just run from the last checkpoint in a dungeon so IF it even makes it through the beta to release it wont make any real diff. and iw as talking about ktera since there is not cash shop for US tera YET. and arenanet has a reputation with gw1 cash shop, nothing in that cash shop was P2W.

 

 

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Originally posted by chibineko89
it was shown earlier in links if you bothered to look at them that the gw2 cash shop atm has nothing p2w 
the only item that is worrysome is the resurection orb but with gw2 design it really isnt that useful
and the tera cash shop has at the very least paying real money for your mod protection though idk how much this affects the game

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So, you dont really know what is in Korean Tera's cash shop, you dont what the items do and you dont know what affect they have on the game if any.

 

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Anyone else upset they couldn't build a character on valley of the titans server?  I was out of town all weekend and reformatted when I got back. I had to redownload the game and by the time all was said and done the damn server was full..... I know the patch notes say we will be adding space but dang, I sure hope I don't miss the insanity that will be opening day. I had to make my wife cancel her vacation day planned for that day, because she will be getting 0 attention on that evening.

Well neither are relevant at this time so back to the original topic:

Will TERA be the sleeper hit of 2012? The meaning of "hit" not withstanding I think TERA will have a strong following by those willing to play it more than 25 levels. If by "hit" you mean beating the competition that's just not possible.

Which game is better to play six months out is my definition of "hit". Any game can try to hype up for release but longevity is the key for an MMO. I'm tired of having to travel from game to game waiting for someone to figure out what an MMO is. I think TERA has that, for me anyways.

LOL not you Hotix I was referring to the CS models

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by otacu

The GW2 cash shop is no problem. It's the KTera cash shop that's scary.

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And what is so scary about the Korean Tera cash shop?

 

You dont have to explain the first part because its obvious that someone like you would see no fault in GW2s cash shop.

 

Ahem.....

http://tera.hangame.com/shop/popup/tcatInfoAdd.nhn

That is the shop for the T-cat coins. It's a shop that is in KTera since the beginning. It give you equipment, and superior potions and bandages that you cannot find in the game. You can even buy a 1hr or a 12hr protection for your crystals.

These are big advantages.

But they were NOT a problem until now. why? because you were not able to buy t-cat coins... you simply got them from resubbing Tera month after month. So everyone had the same coins. Fair enough.

BUT

Now they added the cash shop too! And while in the cash shop you can for now only buy glasses and a mount ... you get t-cat coins with every purchase.

So everytime you buy a supposed "cosmetic" item you get t-cat coins to buy p2w advantages.

 

Understood?

Now, we all know this p2w cash shop only appeared in Korea few weeks ago and we don't know if Eme or Frogster will bring it here too.

When asked about it Eme said "we are focusing on the launch for now, we don't want to talk about the cash shop".

Which sounds very fishy to me.

The moment EU Tera will get the p2w K Tera cash shop i will unsubscribe.

 

MUST PK DERON!!!!!

Originally posted by otacu

 

 

When asked about it Eme said "we are focusing on the launch for now, we don't want to talk about the cash shop".

Which sounds very fishy to me.

The moment EU Tera will get the p2w K Tera cash shop i will unsubscribe.

 

Well, for sake of clarity here is the exact quote:

Since my response has been buried... I am reposting it here and we are going to close out the other threads. Feel free to reply below.

"Guys you are getting worked up over another publisher's choice or decision. Bluehole provides every publisher with a bunch of cool features or items and it is up to the publisher to decide how to utilize them.

Right now our focus is on launching TERA successfully and whether you believe it or not we have yet to make any decisions around most of these type of items. We have talked about some of the premium items we are working on such as name or appearance changes but beyond that nothing is final."

http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/EMEs-Response-to-Koreas-Item-Shop-Announcement?page=1

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by otacu

 

 

When asked about it Eme said "we are focusing on the launch for now, we don't want to talk about the cash shop".

Which sounds very fishy to me.

The moment EU Tera will get the p2w K Tera cash shop i will unsubscribe.

 

Well, for sake of clarity here is the exact quote:

Since my response has been buried... I am reposting it here and we are going to close out the other threads. Feel free to reply below.

"Guys you are getting worked up over another publisher's choice or decision. Bluehole provides every publisher with a bunch of cool features or items and it is up to the publisher to decide how to utilize them.

Right now our focus is on launching TERA successfully and whether you believe it or not we have yet to make any decisions around most of these type of items. We have talked about some of the premium items we are working on such as name or appearance changes but beyond that nothing is final."

http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/EMEs-Response-to-Koreas-Item-Shop-Announcement?page=1

Yes that's why i said it's not a problem right now. As the gw2 cash shop is only cosmetic items. That's fine.

It's the t-cat coins shop the problem. EME MUST refuse to introduce it.

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by otacu

 

 

When asked about it Eme said "we are focusing on the launch for now, we don't want to talk about the cash shop".

Which sounds very fishy to me.

The moment EU Tera will get the p2w K Tera cash shop i will unsubscribe.

 

Well, for sake of clarity here is the exact quote:

Since my response has been buried... I am reposting it here and we are going to close out the other threads. Feel free to reply below.

"Guys you are getting worked up over another publisher's choice or decision. Bluehole provides every publisher with a bunch of cool features or items and it is up to the publisher to decide how to utilize them.

Right now our focus is on launching TERA successfully and whether you believe it or not we have yet to make any decisions around most of these type of items. We have talked about some of the premium items we are working on such as name or appearance changes but beyond that nothing is final."

http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/EMEs-Response-to-Koreas-Item-Shop-Announcement?page=1

Yes that's why i said it's not a problem right now. As the gw2 cash shop is only cosmetic items. That's fine.

It's the t-cat coins shop the problem. EME MUST refuse to introduce it.

I'll admit that the "but beyond that nothnig is final" is a bit worrying but I don' think they are stupid, they know how pay to win stuff, real pay to win, is frowned upon here.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by otacu

 

 

When asked about it Eme said "we are focusing on the launch for now, we don't want to talk about the cash shop".

Which sounds very fishy to me.

The moment EU Tera will get the p2w K Tera cash shop i will unsubscribe.

 

Well, for sake of clarity here is the exact quote:

Since my response has been buried... I am reposting it here and we are going to close out the other threads. Feel free to reply below.

"Guys you are getting worked up over another publisher's choice or decision. Bluehole provides every publisher with a bunch of cool features or items and it is up to the publisher to decide how to utilize them.

Right now our focus is on launching TERA successfully and whether you believe it or not we have yet to make any decisions around most of these type of items. We have talked about some of the premium items we are working on such as name or appearance changes but beyond that nothing is final."

http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/EMEs-Response-to-Koreas-Item-Shop-Announcement?page=1

Yes that's why i said it's not a problem right now. As the gw2 cash shop is only cosmetic items. That's fine.

It's the t-cat coins shop the problem. EME MUST refuse to introduce it.

I'll admit that the "but beyond that nothnig is final" is a bit worrying but I don' think they are stupid, they know how pay to win stuff, real pay to win, is frowned upon here.

yea I feel like any game with a P2W cash shop is doomed to fail depending on how severe the P2W options are anyway

I like how everyone is arguing whether GW2 or Tera will be better.

 

Newsflash.

 

Almost every single p2p western mmo that has been released on american shores has flopped HARD within two months of release. FFXI lasted a little bit longer, probably because it was one of the first foreign games a lot of gamers played that was p2p. Aion, FfXIV, and the other multitudes of p2p and f2p games out there usually crash and burn once people get to the endgame and realize that it's not what they thought it would be.

 

Everyone thinks every game is going to be their salvation from the blockbuster MMOs that came before it but guess what, they won't be. The days of blockbuster MMOs are over for now, the best anyone can do is sell a ton of preorders, offer you some beta access and flashy graphics if you do, then when you finally do realize that that game is about as substantial as a paper airplane, you've already payed them, and possibly even subbed for another month already.

 

Neither Tera, GW2, nor even the european based Secret World, will give you the same feeling as the first few MMOs you played. Think of it like sex, the first time will always be the most memorable, whether good or bad, you will always compare every time afterwards to that time.

 

Wake up, buy your games, play for a month, and move onto the next one, knowing that none of em are gonna last long.  The next one is probably going to be just as bad as the last, but there will be another new one coming soon, and another after that.

 

Viva consumerism. Hit of 2012? Please. Hit of April maybe.

Originally posted by Blessings

I like how everyone is arguing whether GW2 or Tera will be better.

 

Newsflash.

 

Almost every single p2p western mmo that has been released on american shores has flopped HARD within two months of release. FFXI lasted a little bit longer, probably because it was one of the first foreign games a lot of gamers played that was p2p. Aion, FfXIV, and the other multitudes of p2p and f2p games out there usually crash and burn once people get to the endgame and realize that it's not what they thought it would be.

 

Everyone thinks every game is going to be their salvation from the blockbuster MMOs that came before it but guess what, they won't be. The days of blockbuster MMOs are over for now, the best anyone can do is sell a ton of preorders, offer you some beta access and flashy graphics if you do, then when you finally do realize that that game is about as substantial as a paper airplane, you've already payed them, and possibly even subbed for another month already.

 

Neither Tera, GW2, nor even the european based Secret World, will give you the same feeling as the first few MMOs you played. Think of it like sex, the first time will always be the most memorable, whether good or bad, you will always compare every time afterwards to that time.

 

Wake up, buy your games, play for a month, and move onto the next one, knowing that none of em are gonna last long.  The next one is probably going to be just as bad as the last, but there will be another new one coming soon, and another after that.

 

Viva consumerism. Hit of 2012? Please. Hit of April maybe.

This is more of the problem with the current generation rather than the game themselves. MMORPG used to be something people play to work together toward a goal. To compete with each other and have satification on thing you work hard to earn. Now generation just want them and want them now without any work. They also want to be able to do everything so you don't need to group with other people. Thus you killed the purpose of mmorpgs and they end up just like a single player game.

@otacu also the equipment means nothign at all, highest you get is lvl 54 and you probably get better stuff from just quest and dungeons. Its there for peopel who are blasting through the game too fast to get their own gear, doesn't add any advantage as all. The good gear you still have to farm, the bandage are only for lower down time in pve more of convience item than anything. Potion wise not really, you can make more useful potion through alchemy. As for protion of crystal, so what? It doesn't make you any stronger because your crystal don't break when you die in pve. You save money thats about yet, does nothing to make you stronger.

P2W means if you buy the stuff you will be obviously more power, convience isn't P2W or else GW2 is p2w as well. Inv expansion is a convience, so is more character slots. Its ok to sell convience just now power.

Google microtransaction by extra credit it was a good video i know i watched it 10 times =X

Originally posted by hotix

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(sorry guys, waiting on a res)