i still think Tera feel way too Asian for the majority of wester players.

yes yes the combat is fun, but there is just too much.....glitzy cuteness to really appeal to the masses in the west.

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

i still think Tera feel way too Asian for the majority of wester players.

yes yes the combat is fun, but there is just too much.....glitzy cuteness to really appeal to the masses in the west.

You might be right but it is really hard to know exactly what people want before it is out.

The game is good enough to be one of the largest MMOs but that might not be enough at all. We will just have to wait and see but I think the lack of hype actually is good for it, it is always dangerous to hype up unreleased games.

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by khameleon

I highly doubt Tera will be a hit.

GW2 is F2P once you buy it. It is a better game overall IMO and no monthly fee makes it a guaranteed success over TERA.  Until you realize that content, quality content, costs money to make and implement.  You better hope a lot people use the cash shop for unlocking dungeon boxes hehe.  Oh you don't "need" this fresh content but it's here if you want to purchase it.  Most people playing GW2 will still have a "sub", it just won't be fixed every month.

it has already been proven that a F2P with a mild cash shop will earn more than a game with a standard sub fee. a great example is LoL its free to play but ppl can buy boosts, characters, skins with real money.

none of these affect the gameplay so they are all accepted by the players. even i have spent 10-20 dollars to get some cool skins for my champions and to support riot.

arena net has already stated they have a team that will b working exlusively on DE content after launch adding new ones and cycling out some of the over played ones .

your still stuck in the game has to have a sub to b good. this is not true as long as the cash shop doesnt give an advantage gw2 will do great. and looking at gw1 cash shop there wasnt any P2W items.

 ANet could be very good about implementing the cash shop to truly make it a choice and I hope they do for their fans.  The system is already there though so they get to choose and you've already commited your box purchase.  I much prefer a sub and a cash shop with cosmetic items.  The deal with GW2 is that they will also have cosmetic items but those are the same type that you are gaining as rewards in the game, right?.  Again, it will be up to ANet on how they handle it but IMO my 15.00 for full access is a better bet.

Aion is now F2P and you don't even need to buy the game either. It might be a little older, but for free I don't see many people choosing TERA over it in the long run.  More people playing was all Aion needed but now that it's F2P with a cash shop anything after 40 could be tough.  Aside from fortress PvP TERA IMO is better in every way.  My time is worth more than 15.00/month.  Most of you would say that for yourself right? Playing a game because it's free over one that you would like better is, in a round about way, disrespectful to your worth.

tera being better is your opinion. some people may prefer hotkey combat and not action combat so aion would apeal to them more. im playing aion not tera.

sub have always been the biggest scam look at MMOs its not about the content its about the grind all they care about is giving you the biggest grind they can to keep you around longer

and if im gonna spend money on a MMO its going to be for a game that actualy changes the formula a bit. gw2 takes out the grindy bits and leaves you with the fun bits(i hope since i havnt played idk) but this is what i get from the press beta and streamers such as TB.

 You're right, people might prefer tab target combat over free aim.  For that Aion does it the best IMO because you have to manage timing and chain stages to be good.  My major complaint and why I think TERA is a better Aion, aside from the combat, is because all the zones aren't broken up.  There are a lot of features that TERA has that Aion doesn't but the open world aspect is as important to me as the combat.

 I personally don't need the drastic changes that GW2 is going to bring.  They are taking away a lot of things people like and in the end might leave it because of.  It reminds me of what GW1 was back when it came out. It has been very successful so more power to them to recreate that.  I think it's great for those wanting that drastic change but what's been missing from current MMOs IMO can be found in TERA.  That's why I think the two games as almost different in every way and in the next six months will see a lot of people playing both.  It's a difference between revolution and evolution.

SWTOR has its fans because of the franchise it was made after. Doubt TERA could have a bigger cult following.  I'm looking for something BETTER, not something more popular.  If a game is truly good it will have a strong following and not because of it's IP.  For SW fans and those that have not played MMOs before TOR is great.  For someone who played that "system" before it's not that impressive IMO

true cant say much more other than im a hardcore EU star wars fan and SWTOR doesnt feel like star wars

Diablo 3 is coming soon, it is not an MMORPG as these games, but it is still an RPG and no monthly fee, also has a huge following, don't see many at all choosing TERA over D3.  D3 does have a huge following and I'm baffled by it to be honest.  My first PC RPG was D2 but still... I think it will be an accessory game though not a person's main one.

TERA seems decent, but I don't think it will beat out any of the games I mentioned above, thus it won't be a sleeper hit IMO.  In total sales? Probably not.  Does that make it better? You compared TERA to two B2P games and a converted F2P.  Concurrent players? For a while inthe case of all three possibly.  People love free even when they coul be getting something more advanced, something 3D or something that is charged up front.

just because something is more advanced doesnt make it better. if you take a look at the handheld market since the gameboy nintendo has never had the more advanced system/games but nintendo has always been the main handheld for decades. psp/vita has better tech and more advance games but will you see alot of vita sales? not really it was a flop even in japan. IP, development team means alot i will never buy another bioware game after the mess with ME3 the failure of SWTOR and i never played DA2 but i heard it was bad.

 I see you comparison but why is Nintendo more popular? Name recognition and it's younger audience? Ask 18-30+ people if they want a DS or a Vita and what kind of answer will you get? Plus their games are very basic and fun, which is great.  Same thing with MMOs.  If you want basic and fun those games are out there.  For someone like me who has played MMOs for the past 9 years since EQ I want something more.  For me, TERA gives me that.

  As you can see, everyone can have a different take on things .  GW2 will take the attention of a LOT of people for a while from every game.  How long depends on ANet.  It brings a lot of changes but they took a lot away as well.  How that plays out ong term isanyone's guess.

 I really don't care a this point.  I just want it to be May 1st already lol.

Originally posted by rexzshadow

 

Gl with that i doubt any mmorpg make it to big E-sport any time soon. Requirement for E-Sport be require skill and equal gear (or i guess oppurnity) GW2 might have the arena down and equal gear but taking out the trinity system hurts them on that part. Also i'm doubting the amount of skilled required to play a target based mmorpg. Tera on the other hand has the skill required for the combat but lacks the system or the gear balance for it. And also lack classes i guess.

For an E-Sport mmorpg first you need a combat that really take skill not randomly button pressing, equal gear, lot of classes for differen't combo, and you need the trinity system so you can have combos, if everyoen do the same damn thing there isn't much point in different classes. Even in LoL you have support, tank, ad, or ap carries. If you want e-sport in mmorpgs you need somethign along the line of Tera+GW2+like RO for all those classes and you have something there.

Also problem with mmorpg E-Sport is watching them, to be honest watching pvp on mmorpg is kinda werid, some time you really can't tell whats going on, idk maybe just recording i seen are bad but bacause you don't get over head view its harder to watch.

 

The question in this case is will people watch it. That is up to Anet. If all I can watch is specific people then no. But with an overhead view, proper visuals so the commentaters can do thier job and tell you whats going on, then yea, people will probably watch. Why wouldnt they? Look at all the crap thats on TV these days. If so many people will watch something as stupid as Jersey Shore or whatever it is then why wouldnt they watch GW2 pvp?

Originally posted by Zylaxx

 were debating the merits of SWTOR.  Look how that game turned out.  When will people realize that these niche titles with same old boring gameplay in a different settings wont work.

 

uhhh, cuz SWTOR didn't change the gameplay at all?   and Tera is ALL ABOUT changing the gameplay?

 

ROFL

 

how did you miss those "little" details?

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by MeerieBella

Dear god people act like they never handled a PS3 or Xbox360 before. Tera is not the only game coming out in the market-place. All I see is a lot of fanboyism/hype over this game and no one that played the real and true Tera's other than a select few.

 

NA Players you also have a bad tendency to settle for less because of limited experiences with other games. What you WILL be getting is an inferior product compared to K-Tera thanks to everyone apparently playing western mmo's only and this idiotic asian phobia they carry with them into other games that they drag onto the NA Tera Forums. Once end-game hits and all the bells and whistles wears off that might become more clear. It's also doubtful BHS will be able to pump out content like Blizzard has to keep up with the masses.

Gravity did it right when they came out with Ragnarok Online and it's still capped at 40 million people today. Thing was it was an asian mmo, is still an asian mmo and Gravity wasn't afraid to boast about it and it's been around for years like WoW. P2P too. En-Masse/Frogster are complete opposites.

EME kisses QQing phobia WoW mind-set shinagigins and things instantly get removed from this game whether or not people had a chance to experience it or because an EME employee failed at a mischeft box. Frogster just sucks all around and still does.

 

What is happening is that the uniqueness of this game is being stripped away. This game is 5 years in advance than your typical western mmo game on the market. People don't realize this(or don't want to admit because of some superiority complex) and unfortunately it's being jammed up into the game itself. Temporary/quick sell fixes now, long-time missing content/bugs down the road.

People that don't like asian mmo's are still not going to like Tera, regardless. It's just pretty sad this game is being turned upside-down for those who are 'forcing' themselves to play because of the combat features. It's not the 18+ mature game anymore but the game for inexperienced people thinking their getting something completely brand new and exclusive to the market.

 

Just visit Tera back in a year or two and see if this hasn't changed. It'll start out good during launch (that is if EME doesn't screw anything up) then over some months it'll start to slide down. It's doubtal BHS can pump out content like Blizzard. Korean games take time to make and their not just about to go cheap on their game content for this fast-food mentallity over here.

Korea/Japan is getting the T-Bone Steak while NA is getting the cubed one thanks to publisher bottle-feeding.

Seriously people are having a hard-time already logging into the game simply because of the mass size amount and all the launcher bugs that are occuring. It's a high-graphic game that requires decent PC space and it takes up to hours or days to download the entire game.

 

No one talks about that part though. In all i'm glad other publishers are coming out with more korean games that'll give a variety to the marketplace and Tera not being the sole-survivor of them all.

dude please organize yoru throught instead of randomly jumping around please i felt like i read the same thing twice after reading it once.

Also thats pretty fcking wrong if you even bother to pay the slightest attention to Tera. We are getting the lvl 60 cap and all the stuff of queen of argon part 1 patch that K-Tera only got less than 2 month ago, we also have new starting area and new voice acting and cut scene.

Originally posted by chibineko89

yup GW2 is making PvP into an Esport

Gl with that i doubt any mmorpg make it to big E-sport any time soon. Requirement for E-Sport be require skill and equal gear (or i guess oppurnity) GW2 might have the arena down and equal gear but taking out the trinity system hurts them on that part. Also i'm doubting the amount of skilled required to play a target based mmorpg. Tera on the other hand has the skill required for the combat but lacks the system or the gear balance for it. And also lack classes i guess.

For an E-Sport mmorpg first you need a combat that really take skill not randomly button pressing, equal gear, lot of classes for differen't combo, and you need the trinity system so you can have combos, if everyoen do the same damn thing there isn't much point in different classes. Even in LoL you have support, tank, ad, or ap carries. If you want e-sport in mmorpgs you need somethign along the line of Tera+GW2+like RO for all those classes and you have something there.

Also problem with mmorpg E-Sport is watching them, to be honest watching pvp on mmorpg is kinda werid, some time you really can't tell whats going on, idk maybe just recording i seen are bad but bacause you don't get over head view its harder to watch.

Originally posted by xKingdomx

What I meant is that there are more trolls in that game than your average MMO, of all the recent MMO, from AION onwards, RIFT, SWTOR, etc. Never have I seen this many troll in the starting area

 

As for strategy, like what? Run towards healer when you need some heals. Dodge attacks, dodge AoE that hits like half the room?

One thing that is entirely missing in this action game is that. Dashing, there are no proper mechanic that supports dashing. Sure some class have a dash skill, but when you push a mechanic and disguise it as a skill, you are opening that up as a potential balancing issue. All class in an action combat game should be able to dash, jump, dodge roll.

 

Maybe you are seeing me as dissing TERA, I don't think I am, while I don't think TERA will be MMO game of the year, it will certainly be the pioneer of better combat in future MMO.

Plus they really need to fix class balancing issues, Slayer in this game is way too powerful, and warrior is like a wimp with almost no plus warrior lacks a lot of mobility, and its attack range is much shorter than other classes, meaning for players will be harder to deal with lag and missing hits, leading to potential MP loss. 

 

EDIT: And theres no sprint.

Because Tera CBT was pretty much free, they were literally giving out keys like candy so ofc your going to attract people just to troll the game.

Strategy as team work, listening to your team's for who ever is low and focus, know when to back off when you go in too deep. Learn to have some one lock down healers. Depending on the class comp you have to deal with things differently. If they are range heavy you want to rush them, but if they have a melee ball you want to pull back and let them over extend and cut off from their healer. Ofc if your not on some type of chat system its all random but any good pvp all be on some type of chat communicating.

Also all class do have a dodge of some sort, warrior, slayer, archer have a dodge. sorc/mystic have a teleport, priest have a jump back skill, lancer and zerker have block. And no slayer aren't too powerful, they just the most noob friendly class to play because you can spam skill and still hit and do dmg. The 2 other lance in my guild pretty much drops every class because they are good. and most people would say lancer sucks at 1v1.

Normally i would agree with anti censorship just because i like some thing to stay the way it is, but honestly with the way people are acting i can't stand both side. Been immature about it doesn't help your case at all fyi just make the other side look right. I wonder if peopel will ever understand that.

 

I have to agree with the red text. Until looking on the forums I didn't think anything of the Elins(sp?), but people from both sides keep taking it to a weird place.

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by rexzshadow

 

Gl with that i doubt any mmorpg make it to big E-sport any time soon. Requirement for E-Sport be require skill and equal gear (or i guess oppurnity) GW2 might have the arena down and equal gear but taking out the trinity system hurts them on that part. Also i'm doubting the amount of skilled required to play a target based mmorpg. Tera on the other hand has the skill required for the combat but lacks the system or the gear balance for it. And also lack classes i guess.

For an E-Sport mmorpg first you need a combat that really take skill not randomly button pressing, equal gear, lot of classes for differen't combo, and you need the trinity system so you can have combos, if everyoen do the same damn thing there isn't much point in different classes. Even in LoL you have support, tank, ad, or ap carries. If you want e-sport in mmorpgs you need somethign along the line of Tera+GW2+like RO for all those classes and you have something there.

Also problem with mmorpg E-Sport is watching them, to be honest watching pvp on mmorpg is kinda werid, some time you really can't tell whats going on, idk maybe just recording i seen are bad but bacause you don't get over head view its harder to watch.

 

The question in this case is will people watch it. That is up to Anet. If all I can watch is specific people then no. But with an overhead view, proper visuals so the commentaters can do thier job and tell you whats going on, then yea, people will probably watch. Why wouldnt they? Look at all the crap thats on TV these days. If so many people will watch something as stupid as Jersey Shore or whatever it is then why wouldnt they watch GW2 pvp?

True but to a put they are playing out their fantsy. Jersey Shore is a fantsy life people want to live or experience so they watch it. GW2 PvP? I guess same reason why people watch  LoL streams lol (I never understood i mean you watch it to learn but people watch it too much won't it be more fun to play XD?) But if we going by your standard almost every mmorpg can be a E-Sport if they put in a spectorter mode and have commentaters. My problem is the skill required to play the game, if its on the lvl to be consider a E-Sport. To me targetting kinda kill it for me, added to the fact you pretty much made everyone the same (w/o the trinity system) meaning there chance that team comp won't matter as much. Idk i'll wait till my guildies that are playing GW2 play it and tell me.

Originally posted by Celcius

There is nothing innovative about Tera other then the gameplay.

...snip...

 it will have a niche audience for a little while before it ultimately goes F2P.

 

there is nothing innovative about the game....EXCEPT the game itself.  lol   how do people keep saying this without any sense of what they are saying?

 

%99 of MMOs go f2p.  welcome to 2012.  how insightful of you to notice this trend.

Originally posted by otacu

You don't even know what you're talking about.

Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing  is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time.

The noname players are not in the competitive pvp (Esport) but in the WvWvW 

Still i don't care to explain it further. The big pvp guilds have already made a choice.

 

 

You really have no clue, man.  The big PvP guilds have made their choice to go play the game that is more hyped?  Wow, big revelation there.  And one man's "hardcore PvP guild" is another man's carebear guild.    

Enjoy your instanced two week battleground.  Enjoy not knowing who killed you, or not having to put forth any time or effort whatsoever to be on the same level as everyone else.  Enjoy watching everything reset in two weeks.  And enjoy the feeling of questing and not having to look over your shoulders for mean gankers because ArenaNet doesn't want your feelings to be hurt by all the PvP meanies.   

GW2 is a casuals' paradise, dude.  Accept it.

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by spaceport

 

You got it backwards dude, open world PVP, guild vs guild drama, ganking, THAT'S hardcore.

E-sport snorefests against no-names isn't hardcore, it's call of duty casual.

GW2 is like an FPS with 5 skills, woopdie dooM the casual of the casual

 

You don't even know what you're talking about.

Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing  is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time.

The noname players are not in the competitive pvp (Esport) but in the WvWvW 

Still i don't care to explain it further. The big pvp guilds have already made a choice.

Get a clue, instanced e-sport PVP IS casual.

PVE mixed with PVP is hardcore, it leads to guild wars, PVP in open world dungeons, competition between guilds.

 

You speak like someone who started playing MMOs with WOW..

E-Sport PVP isn't hardcore, and it will never be.

 

It's ok, you can play a casual MMO, don't feel bad about it, but don't try to fool yourself.

 

Another MMO with hardcore PVP is ArcheAge, open world PVP.

GW2 doesn't even have open world PVP ROFL how can it be hardcore?

Ah... So "hardcore" is all about ganking and griefing? Perhaps thats why just about every modern game in the western market that has allowed (let alone encouraged) that, has ended up as a niche game at *best*?

Thanks but some of us have a different definition. "Hardcore" is where ONLY skill and experience matters. Not how many people are in your gang or blob, and not how badly you out level or out gear your opponent, and certainly not catching someone at half health or less, while fighting some mobs.  All of that is why I no longer play games that allow or encourage ganking and griefing. I no longer find them entertaining in the least.  Nor do a LOT of people in the modern western markets.  Both GW2 and Tera look like entertaining games, and I plan to try both.  Not to mention D3 starts next month as well. ^^

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by chibineko89

gw2 brings a server together toward a goal 

Sounds very hardcore, i don't think i could take it.

Thanks! That is SO stolen! ^^ I've been looking for one of those to go with my avatar ^^

Originally posted by Wraithone

 

Ah... So "hardcore" is all about ganking and griefing? Perhaps thats why just about every modern game in the western market that has allowed (let alone encouraged) that, has ended up as a niche game at *best*?

"Hardcore" is where ONLY skill and experience matters. Not how many people are in your gang or blob, and not how badly you out level or out gear your opponent, and certainly not catching someone at half health or less, while fighting some mobs. 

 

truth!

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

i still think Tera feel way too Asian for the majority of wester players.

yes yes the combat is fun, but there is just too much.....glitzy cuteness to really appeal to the masses in the west.

You may be right, but its not NEARLY as bad as a game called Dragon Nest. They turned the cuteness factor up to 15 and broke off the knob.  I like DN's combat system, but the character graphics are silly beyond belief.  Tera isn't that bad, from what I've seen. But the orginal of that class would have had the various "Concerned Citizen" groups howling for blood in the west. 

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by khameleon

I highly doubt Tera will be a hit.

GW2 is F2P once you buy it. It is a better game overall IMO and no monthly fee makes it a guaranteed success over TERA.  Until you realize that content, quality content, costs money to make and implement.  You better hope a lot people use the cash shop for unlocking dungeon boxes hehe.  Oh you don't "need" this fresh content but it's here if you want to purchase it.  Most people playing GW2 will still have a "sub", it just won't be fixed every month.

it has already been proven that a F2P with a mild cash shop will earn more than a game with a standard sub fee. a great example is LoL its free to play but ppl can buy boosts, characters, skins with real money.

none of these affect the gameplay so they are all accepted by the players. even i have spent 10-20 dollars to get some cool skins for my champions and to support riot.

arena net has already stated they have a team that will b working exlusively on DE content after launch adding new ones and cycling out some of the over played ones .

your still stuck in the game has to have a sub to b good. this is not true as long as the cash shop doesnt give an advantage gw2 will do great. and looking at gw1 cash shop there wasnt any P2W items.

 ANet could be very good about implementing the cash shop to truly make it a choice and I hope they do for their fans.  The system is already there though so they get to choose and you've already commited your box purchase.  I much prefer a sub and a cash shop with cosmetic items.  The deal with GW2 is that they will also have cosmetic items but those are the same type that you are gaining as rewards in the game, right?.  Again, it will be up to ANet on how they handle it but IMO my 15.00 for full access is a better bet.

the problem is that you have to pay $15 a month to play a P2P game and this basically forces you to play and the game is made to waste your time with uselesss grinds . with gw2 i wont have to deal with that nor will have feel i ahve to quickly grind up to 80 for the real gameto start. gw2 you can play when you want for however long you want and you arent punished for that.

Aion is now F2P and you don't even need to buy the game either. It might be a little older, but for free I don't see many people choosing TERA over it in the long run.  More people playing was all Aion needed but now that it's F2P with a cash shop anything after 40 could be tough.  Aside from fortress PvP TERA IMO is better in every way.  My time is worth more than 15.00/month.  Most of you would say that for yourself right? Playing a game because it's free over one that you would like better is, in a round about way, disrespectful to your worth.

tera being better is your opinion. some people may prefer hotkey combat and not action combat so aion would apeal to them more. im playing aion not tera.

sub have always been the biggest scam look at MMOs its not about the content its about the grind all they care about is giving you the biggest grind they can to keep you around longer

and if im gonna spend money on a MMO its going to be for a game that actualy changes the formula a bit. gw2 takes out the grindy bits and leaves you with the fun bits(i hope since i havnt played idk) but this is what i get from the press beta and streamers such as TB.

 You're right, people might prefer tab target combat over free aim.  For that Aion does it the best IMO because you have to manage timing and chain stages to be good.  My major complaint and why I think TERA is a better Aion, aside from the combat, is because all the zones aren't broken up.  There are a lot of features that TERA has that Aion doesn't but the open world aspect is as important to me as the combat.

 I personally don't need the drastic changes that GW2 is going to bring.  They are taking away a lot of things people like and in the end might leave it because of.  It reminds me of what GW1 was back when it came out. It has been very successful so more power to them to recreate that.  I think it's great for those wanting that drastic change but what's been missing from current MMOs IMO can be found in TERA.  That's why I think the two games as almost different in every way and in the next six months will see a lot of people playing both.  It's a difference between revolution and evolution.

SWTOR has its fans because of the franchise it was made after. Doubt TERA could have a bigger cult following.  I'm looking for something BETTER, not something more popular.  If a game is truly good it will have a strong following and not because of it's IP.  For SW fans and those that have not played MMOs before TOR is great.  For someone who played that "system" before it's not that impressive IMO

true cant say much more other than im a hardcore EU star wars fan and SWTOR doesnt feel like star wars

Diablo 3 is coming soon, it is not an MMORPG as these games, but it is still an RPG and no monthly fee, also has a huge following, don't see many at all choosing TERA over D3.  D3 does have a huge following and I'm baffled by it to be honest.  My first PC RPG was D2 but still... I think it will be an accessory game though not a person's main one.

TERA seems decent, but I don't think it will beat out any of the games I mentioned above, thus it won't be a sleeper hit IMO.  In total sales? Probably not.  Does that make it better? You compared TERA to two B2P games and a converted F2P.  Concurrent players? For a while inthe case of all three possibly.  People love free even when they coul be getting something more advanced, something 3D or something that is charged up front.

just because something is more advanced doesnt make it better. if you take a look at the handheld market since the gameboy nintendo has never had the more advanced system/games but nintendo has always been the main handheld for decades. psp/vita has better tech and more advance games but will you see alot of vita sales? not really it was a flop even in japan. IP, development team means alot i will never buy another bioware game after the mess with ME3 the failure of SWTOR and i never played DA2 but i heard it was bad.

 I see you comparison but why is Nintendo more popular? Name recognition and it's younger audience? Ask 18-30+ people if they want a DS or a Vita and what kind of answer will you get? Plus their games are very basic and fun, which is great.  Same thing with MMOs.  If you want basic and fun those games are out there.  For someone like me who has played MMOs for the past 9 years since EQ I want something more.  For me, TERA gives me that.

well most ppl i no would get the 3ds or just a ds over a vita. 1 its infinitly cheaper than a vita. and 2 nintendo has those IP everyone loves. pokemon, mario, zelda ect. like the ps3 has better hardware then the xbox 360 but most ppl buy 360 games over ps3 bc the xbox has the better online and arguably better exclusives.

the way the mmo market is going P2P isnt going to be staying and even WoW has a cash shop starting and its P2P so P2P doesnt even garentee access to everything anymore. idk if its true but i heard tera over in korea has a cash shop. 

  As you can see, everyone can have a different take on things .  GW2 will take the attention of a LOT of people for a while from every game.  How long depends on ANet.  It brings a lot of changes but they took a lot away as well.  How that plays out ong term isanyone's guess.

 I really don't care a this point.  I just want it to be May 1st already lol.

 

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by rexzshadow

 

Gl with that i doubt any mmorpg make it to big E-sport any time soon. Requirement for E-Sport be require skill and equal gear (or i guess oppurnity) GW2 might have the arena down and equal gear but taking out the trinity system hurts them on that part. Also i'm doubting the amount of skilled required to play a target based mmorpg. Tera on the other hand has the skill required for the combat but lacks the system or the gear balance for it. And also lack classes i guess.

For an E-Sport mmorpg first you need a combat that really take skill not randomly button pressing, equal gear, lot of classes for differen't combo, and you need the trinity system so you can have combos, if everyoen do the same damn thing there isn't much point in different classes. Even in LoL you have support, tank, ad, or ap carries. If you want e-sport in mmorpgs you need somethign along the line of Tera+GW2+like RO for all those classes and you have something there.

Also problem with mmorpg E-Sport is watching them, to be honest watching pvp on mmorpg is kinda werid, some time you really can't tell whats going on, idk maybe just recording i seen are bad but bacause you don't get over head view its harder to watch.

if you randomly press buttons in gw2 your gonna lose

you have your autoattack you can spam but most of the other abilities are skill shot abilities

arenanet has already stated they are putting in the tools to make it an esport including specator mode

if ppl while watch sc2,LoL im sure there will b ppl that watch gw2

 

The question in this case is will people watch it. That is up to Anet. If all I can watch is specific people then no. But with an overhead view, proper visuals so the commentaters can do thier job and tell you whats going on, then yea, people will probably watch. Why wouldnt they? Look at all the crap thats on TV these days. If so many people will watch something as stupid as Jersey Shore or whatever it is then why wouldnt they watch GW2 pvp?

@Chib

I'm going to spare everyone the quotes though there is a lot of good stuff there hehe.

15.00 is still 15.00. Easily spent in one hour at most any other form of purchased entertainment. Yes, WoW has a CS and so does KTERA, NA TERA might as well. It's what's in those stores that matter. Is what is in those stores the same things as you should get in the game? If that's the case you're getting ripped off if you're paying a sub for s sub game or pay for the box of a B2P game. I'll pay 15.00 and forego the fancy mount than feel like um being nickel and dimed to death playing a B2P game. Time will tell as it might not be that way.

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
@Chib

I'm going to spare everyone the quotes though there is a lot of good stuff there hehe.

15.00 is still 15.00. Easily spent in one hour at most any other form of purchased entertainment. Yes, WoW has a CS and so does KTERA, NA TERA might as well. It's what's in those stores that matter. Is what is in those stores the same things as you should get in the game? If that's the case you're getting ripped off if you're paying a sub for s sub game or pay for the box of a B2P game. I'll pay 15.00 and forego the fancy mount than feel like um being nickel and dimed to death playing a B2P game. Time will tell as it might not be that way.

arenanet has already shown with gw1 that the cash shop wont b P2W and that they will b doing content updates for free so you dont have to spend a dime or a nickle after buying the game except for expansions. unlike tera, wow, swtor, rift you buy the game and you ahve to pay jsut play the game even if you doing the new content and you have huge luls in content like in WoW right now with everyone waiting for the new expansion still paying 15 a month for who knows how many month with no real content updates till pandaria.

and as stated earlier P2P gives the developers more reason to make the game more grindy 

more time consuming in ways that arent fun just to keep players around longer

also all of those P2P games have gear based pvp so it doesnt matter as much how good you are at the game but how high your gear score is. if anything P2P games are the most carebearish of them all

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by otacu

You don't even know what you're talking about.

Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing  is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time.

The noname players are not in the competitive pvp (Esport) but in the WvWvW 

Still i don't care to explain it further. The big pvp guilds have already made a choice.

 

 

You really have no clue, man.  The big PvP guilds have made their choice to go play the game that is more hyped?  Wow, big revelation there.  And one man's "hardcore PvP guild" is another man's carebear guild.    

Enjoy your instanced two week battleground.  Enjoy not knowing who killed you, or not having to put forth any time or effort whatsoever to be on the same level as everyone else.  Enjoy watching everything reset in two weeks.  And enjoy the feeling of questing and not having to look over your shoulders for mean gankers because ArenaNet doesn't want your feelings to be hurt by all the PvP meanies.   

GW2 is a casuals' paradise, dude.  Accept it.

Hey at least the Gw2 guys will enjoy something: massive siege system in a 3way Server vs Server vs Server DAOC style and they will be have battlegrounds PVP and tournaments (for the competitive folk) without the need to grind in PVE.

Considering the response is coming from a "Tera fan" that pvp wise gets nothing save the feeling of being ganked (because having their feeling hurt is "hardcore" lol) and duels (single and group) because there won't even be a simple feature like battlegrounds at launch make you just look bitter.

I will play both : Tera for the pve bit and GW2 for pve,pvp and wvwvw but you just look bitter and touchy.

Jeez at least i know not all the Tera community is like that...

 

But at least players here know the #1 RULE: Remember kids! If the game doesn't hurt your feelings is not hardcore enough!

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
@Chib

I'm going to spare everyone the quotes though there is a lot of good stuff there hehe.

15.00 is still 15.00. Easily spent in one hour at most any other form of purchased entertainment. Yes, WoW has a CS and so does KTERA, NA TERA might as well. It's what's in those stores that matter. Is what is in those stores the same things as you should get in the game? If that's the case you're getting ripped off if you're paying a sub for s sub game or pay for the box of a B2P game. I'll pay 15.00 and forego the fancy mount than feel like um being nickel and dimed to death playing a B2P game. Time will tell as it might not be that way.

arenanet has already shown with gw1 that the cash shop wont b P2W and that they will b doing content updates for free so you dont have to spend a dime or a nickle after buying the game except for expansions. unlike tera, wow, swtor, rift you buy the game and you ahve to pay jsut play the game even if you doing the new content and you have huge luls in content like in WoW right now with everyone waiting for the new expansion still paying 15 a month for who knows how many month with no real content updates till pandaria.

 

You seriously Think Anet Are going to make content without getting paid for? They Are a business. They Are out to make money.

Originally posted by Deron_Barak
@Chib

I'm going to spare everyone the quotes though there is a lot of good stuff there hehe.

15.00 is still 15.00. Easily spent in one hour at most any other form of purchased entertainment. Yes, WoW has a CS and so does KTERA, NA TERA might as well. It's what's in those stores that matter. Is what is in those stores the same things as you should get in the game? If that's the case you're getting ripped off if you're paying a sub for s sub game or pay for the box of a B2P game. I'll pay 15.00 and forego the fancy mount than feel like um being nickel and dimed to death playing a B2P game. Time will tell as it might not be that way.

Considering the Guild Wars 1 cash shop and the Korean Tera cash shop right now i'm more concerned about the pay2win cash shop in Tera.

http://tera.hangame.com/shop/popup/tcatInfoAdd.nhn

Hope Frogster won't ever bring here that.

Potions, bandages, gear, crystal protection for 24h... the hell. I don't pay a month sub to have a p2w cash shop too. Blue Hole Studios is just being greedy.

As soon as Frogster implements the korean cash shop i'm out.