That's what I meant by  "I'm not going to waste time trying to be rational with the irrational." because that person had no interest in working the system, just lazy bashing.  But by all means, you go for it.

Originally posted by otacu

Server merge  4 months after the launch in NA. Why am i not surprised?

This should be a lesson to learn for all the future korean grinder mmorpgs.

Korean Grinder? I doubt you have yet seen one if you confuse Tera with one. Looking at how Tera has plenty of elements you should know from WoW and other Themepark quest/instance grinders I can't do anything but wonder how you came to the conclusion this game would be anything like a korean grinder?

Originally posted by eHug

Originally posted by Wraithone

For someone who can't be bothered, you go on, and on... ^^  I clearly stated that I could learn it if I wished to.  That doesn't prevent it from being ill considered, and not necessary.  The system before was just fine.  Wasting Dev time/talent changing a functional system, demonstrates a lack of judgement and poor priorities. 

But the way things stand now, I doubt the game is going to last even mid term.  The reduction to three servers isn't a good sign.  Its too bad, as I quite enjoyed the combat system, and the eye candy graphics. 

No offense, but I think the new system is a real improvement for tanks. It's not just making tanking more interessting, they also made tanking more viable on warriors. Both lancers and warriors now got a wider range of activity they can take part in now that lancers can actually smash things into the the face. At least our clans Lancers love the update and our Warriors are now actually welcome as tank which they weren't before.

So we got two classes with increased possiblities, a more interessting to play blocking system, shorter waiting queues (no more 1-2h waiting) because more people tank. And you say it "demonstrates a lack of judgement" and don't even spend the 5-10 minutes it takes to learn the changed system. Are you really sure it's not like that you didn't like the game to begin with, if such a small change for the good makes you quit?

Yes, that must to be it... I leveled three toons to 60(lancer, slayer, warrior), because I dislike the game...<face palm>...

That "small change" impacts the entire dynamics of the blocking system.  A system that had worked well for more than a year, before this. It was the fact that leveling a lancer to 60 was such a grinding PITA that meant that few people would do it. That could have been addressed, without changing the entire dynamic. 

I've stated my objections to the changes repeatedly.  I've also stated that the old system allowed more lancers to tank effectively, because it smoothed over the jagged edges caused by timing.  Not everyone is blessed with good timing. 

Yes, I've no doubt I could learn the system in 20-30 minutes of practice (if that). My objection stems from the lack of priority and judgement involved. There are any number of other issues that such Dev time/talent could have been expended on. 

They could have added the new lancer abilities, and given warriors the ability to block, without changing the block dynamics.  That its more "interesting" is a subjective, and should be labeled as such. 

But thats all water under the bridge at this point. With them going down to only three servers, this soon after launch, it does not bode well.  I suspect F2P will come next.  If this was NCsoft, I'd expect them to announce closing the game some time in first quarter 2013. 

 

Originally posted by Reas43
That's what I meant by  "I'm not going to waste time trying to be rational with the irrational." because that person had no interest in working the system, just lazy bashing.  But by all means, you go for it.

I "worked the system" just fine. Until they changed it. I've seen this type of thing way too often. Once it starts, its usually down hill from there.  "Lazy bashing" is sloppy thinking. I provided my reasons, if you don't agree, thats entirely your choice.  But if I disliked the game, I'd hardly have three 60's (lancer, slayer, warrior). 

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by Reas43
That's what I meant by  "I'm not going to waste time trying to be rational with the irrational." because that person had no interest in working the system, just lazy bashing.  But by all means, you go for it.

I "worked the system" just fine. Until they changed it. I've seen this type of thing way too often. Once it starts, its usually down hill from there.  "Lazy bashing" is sloppy thinking. I provided my reasons, if you don't agree, thats entirely your choice.  But if I disliked the game, I'd hardly have three 60's (lancer, slayer, warrior). 

Even if you levelled 3 characters to 60 you still can get bored of the game. And really, you must be the only lancer ingame that doesn't like the new system. It fixed a lot of problems and just because you personally think it doesn't, or should be changed in a different way doesn't make it bad.

Funny side story: On Essenia we got a guy named "Löwenherz" trolling /global by posting stuff like "fuck qoa2, they nerfed lancers badly, blocking is broken". Since there are still people not realizing he's a troll you should see the giant amout of ppl telling him how he's an idiot for not realizing how his class got a major boost.

Originally posted by eHug

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by Reas43
That's what I meant by  "I'm not going to waste time trying to be rational with the irrational." because that person had no interest in working the system, just lazy bashing.  But by all means, you go for it.

I "worked the system" just fine. Until they changed it. I've seen this type of thing way too often. Once it starts, its usually down hill from there.  "Lazy bashing" is sloppy thinking. I provided my reasons, if you don't agree, thats entirely your choice.  But if I disliked the game, I'd hardly have three 60's (lancer, slayer, warrior). 

Even if you levelled 3 characters to 60 you still can get bored of the game. And really, you must be the only lancer ingame that doesn't like the new system. It fixed a lot of problems and just because you personally think it doesn't, or should be changed in a different way doesn't make it bad.

Funny side story: On Essenia we got a guy named "Löwenherz" trolling /global by posting stuff like "fuck qoa2, they nerfed lancers badly, blocking is broken". Since there are still people not realizing he's a troll you should see the giant amout of ppl telling him how he's an idiot for not realizing how his class got a major boost.

One hand gives, the other takes... Its the same old, OLD story. I finally grew tired of seeing it.  I stated I liked the new abilities. They add quite a bit to the class. If they had been in since launch, I doubt we would be seeing quite the tank shortage that we did. 

That having been said, they didn't *have* to change the blocking system to add the new abilities. They changed it for what ever agenda they are currently pushing. Knowing studio politics, who is to say what else gets changed in the coming months?  

Having been a victim of the Ghostcrawler Syndrome (focus on spread sheets and data mining, rather than on what makes a class/game *fun* to play) for years, I've just had enough.  Those who want to continue to adjust and adapt, are more than welcome to do so. 

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by eHug

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by Reas43
That's what I meant by  "I'm not going to waste time trying to be rational with the irrational." because that person had no interest in working the system, just lazy bashing.  But by all means, you go for it.

I "worked the system" just fine. Until they changed it. I've seen this type of thing way too often. Once it starts, its usually down hill from there.  "Lazy bashing" is sloppy thinking. I provided my reasons, if you don't agree, thats entirely your choice.  But if I disliked the game, I'd hardly have three 60's (lancer, slayer, warrior). 

Even if you levelled 3 characters to 60 you still can get bored of the game. And really, you must be the only lancer ingame that doesn't like the new system. It fixed a lot of problems and just because you personally think it doesn't, or should be changed in a different way doesn't make it bad.

Funny side story: On Essenia we got a guy named "Löwenherz" trolling /global by posting stuff like "fuck qoa2, they nerfed lancers badly, blocking is broken". Since there are still people not realizing he's a troll you should see the giant amout of ppl telling him how he's an idiot for not realizing how his class got a major boost.

One hand gives, the other takes... Its the same old, OLD story. I finally grew tired of seeing it.  I stated I liked the new abilities. They add quite a bit to the class. If they had been in since launch, I doubt we would be seeing quite the tank shortage that we did. 

That having been said, they didn't *have* to change the blocking system to add the new abilities. They changed it for what ever agenda they are currently pushing. Knowing studio politics, who is to say what else gets changed in the coming months?  

Having been a victim of the Ghostcrawler Syndrome (focus on spread sheets and data mining, rather than on what makes a class/game *fun* to play) for years, I've just had enough.  Those who want to continue to adjust and adapt, are more than welcome to do so. 

It's good, you don't like the improvements that most players enjoy, I realized you have your own ideas of how things have to work and don't accept it if there are smaller changes to what you are fixated on . I can't imagine you'll become happy in any game like that, but if you tick that way, nothing you can change about it. Good luck with your future games nonetheless.

Originally posted by Reas43

Originally posted by Mannish
I just dont understand why they wont make the game Free To Play. The servers would have went right back to full like they were at release. Why merge down to 3 servers when 6 months from now you know those 3 will be on life support too? The question is what can we do to breath life into the game and thats is by going free to play. Look at NC Softs Truly Free that does not restrict content and use a ftp model like that. This game can still become something but as it seems I have to agree with the poster that said its looking like they just want to milk what they can from the game while it dies. I have lost all faith in En Masse.

Oh They WILL be going F2P - that's a given - and if they did it right it would be the best thing that could happen not just to it but for people who enjoy its combat style for other games in the future.  C'mon SWTOR converted, so will TERA. There are no sacred cows.

But if they have to do something first is the server merges.  Imagine if they started with F2P THEN in a couple of months server merge?  Nah, that would be far sillier for them to do.  I expect an F2P announcement before or at about the time SWTOR F2P launches.

As for me, I haven't paid a dime in months.  I've been cruising with chornoscrolls and still have two more saved in my bank. What they have to do is simply take off the barrier or purchase price of the game and by the time your first character hits 60 you're F2P with a little inconsequential cash shop.

 

(I am not familiar with the peculiarities of Aion's FTP model - but I personally hope they do a modified Freemium model based on the chronoscroll instead of centered on the cash shop.  No content limits, but perhaps some minor limits to character and inventory numbrs.  Then have those limits lifted if you choose to subscribe as usual or purchase a scroll with in game currency.  The game fundamentally maintains a P2P model but operates as F2P where a player once they have enough in game gold can get full subber privileges. Leave the cash shop anemic as it is currently - not a ghost of P2W).

 

(Or they can go ahead screw the pooch and do F2P like any other game and waste a golden opportunity, seems like the industry trend after all.)

Tera won't go FTP. They have the chronoscrolls...so if you want to play for free you can. Tera's problems are more a coincidence of timing and legal issues. This is the time people go back to school, GW2 came out and most of the tourist have left. Also Tera lost a legal battle with NCWest. So they had to let quite a few people go. Too bad..great game and I intend on playing it till the wheels fall off lol.

Originally posted by Lathander81

Originally posted by Reas43

Originally posted by Mannish
I just dont understand why they wont make the game Free To Play. The servers would have went right back to full like they were at release. Why merge down to 3 servers when 6 months from now you know those 3 will be on life support too? The question is what can we do to breath life into the game and thats is by going free to play. Look at NC Softs Truly Free that does not restrict content and use a ftp model like that. This game can still become something but as it seems I have to agree with the poster that said its looking like they just want to milk what they can from the game while it dies. I have lost all faith in En Masse.

Oh They WILL be going F2P - that's a given - and if they did it right it would be the best thing that could happen not just to it but for people who enjoy its combat style for other games in the future.  C'mon SWTOR converted, so will TERA. There are no sacred cows.

But if they have to do something first is the server merges.  Imagine if they started with F2P THEN in a couple of months server merge?  Nah, that would be far sillier for them to do.  I expect an F2P announcement before or at about the time SWTOR F2P launches.

As for me, I haven't paid a dime in months.  I've been cruising with chornoscrolls and still have two more saved in my bank. What they have to do is simply take off the barrier or purchase price of the game and by the time your first character hits 60 you're F2P with a little inconsequential cash shop.

 

(I am not familiar with the peculiarities of Aion's FTP model - but I personally hope they do a modified Freemium model based on the chronoscroll instead of centered on the cash shop.  No content limits, but perhaps some minor limits to character and inventory numbrs.  Then have those limits lifted if you choose to subscribe as usual or purchase a scroll with in game currency.  The game fundamentally maintains a P2P model but operates as F2P where a player once they have enough in game gold can get full subber privileges. Leave the cash shop anemic as it is currently - not a ghost of P2W).

 

(Or they can go ahead screw the pooch and do F2P like any other game and waste a golden opportunity, seems like the industry trend after all.)

Tera won't go FTP. They have the chronoscrolls...so if you want to play for free you can. Tera's problems are more a coincidence of timing and legal issues. This is the time people go back to school, GW2 came out and most of the tourist have left. Also Tera lost a legal battle with NCWest. So they had to let quite a few people go. Too bad..great game and I intend on playing it till the wheels fall off lol.

Tera won't go FTP maybe this month, but sooner or later it will happen. And for ppl like you who use chronoscrolls, someone else needs to buy them first using real money. With shrinking population, there will be less and less chronoscrolls on the market, their prices will go up, and that will be it for TERA and for ppl that use chronoscrolls to pay for sub-fees.

Originally posted by mWo4life>

Tera won't go FTP maybe this month, but sooner or later it will happen. And for ppl like you who use chronoscrolls, someone else needs to buy them first using real money. With shrinking population, there will be less and less chronoscrolls on the market, their prices will go up, and that will be it for TERA and for ppl that use chronoscrolls to pay for sub-fees.

 

Some day, the sun will expand. The oceans will dry, the atmosphere will burn. It will continue to expand until it swallows the earth. Millions of years will pass, and the sun will slowly collapse in on itself, succumbing to it's own mass and finite supply of fuel. Millions of years before tat comes to pass all traces of life on Earth will have disappeared forever. The Earth WILL die. The Sun WILL die. No human will walk the earth then. But in the meantime I'll be playing TERA. With Chronoscrolls. Carpe Diem buddy!

Originally posted by Reas43

Originally posted by mWo4life>

Tera won't go FTP maybe this month, but sooner or later it will happen. And for ppl like you who use chronoscrolls, someone else needs to buy them first using real money. With shrinking population, there will be less and less chronoscrolls on the market, their prices will go up, and that will be it for TERA and for ppl that use chronoscrolls to pay for sub-fees.

 

Some day, the sun will expand. The oceans will dry, the atmosphere will burn. It will continue to expand until it swallows the earth. Millions of years will pass, and the sun will slowly collapse in on itself, succumbing to it's own mass and finite supply of fuel. Millions of years before tat comes to pass all traces of life on Earth will have disappeared forever. The Earth WILL die. The Sun WILL die. No human will walk the earth then. But in the meantime I'll be playing TERA. With Chronoscrolls. Carpe Diem buddy!

"In the long run we are all dead"...  (Keynes)

I suspect that the end of Tera will be considerably sooner than the long run.  Given the various problems they face, I'd be suprised if its still around in its current state, this time next year.  Its too bad, as I very much enjoy the combat system (level 60 lancer, slayer, warrior), and I really like the eye candy graphics.  

But the horrible enchanting system, and lack of any real end game (unless you like endless lagfest PvP zergs), make it rather limited. 

DOOM DOOM DOOM

The end is nigh

DOOOMMMMM

 

Well, I'll be right over there playing.  Pointless to hold my breath, having too much fun.  If and when doom finally makes his face shown I'll go do something else.

Originally posted by Reas43

DOOM DOOM DOOM

The end is nigh

DOOOMMMMM

 

Well, I'll be right over there playing.  Pointless to hold my breath, having too much fun.  If and when doom finally makes his face shown I'll go do something else.

You forgot the traditional use of !!!11!1! in your above. ^^  I hope you continue to enjoy the game, for as long as its around.  

Game will be around for awhile like a lot of the other 'dead' games.

Enchanting is probably the game's biggest killer in my opinion. Here's hoping EME brings the enchanting change soon. Soon as in October.

In the meantime, Planetside 2 is keeping me busy while I wait to hear about what they are changing with enchanting.