Originally posted by Deron_Barak

Originally posted by khameleon

I highly doubt Tera will be a hit.

GW2 is F2P once you buy it. It is a better game overall IMO and no monthly fee makes it a guaranteed success over TERA.  Until you realize that content, quality content, costs money to make and implement.  You better hope a lot people use the cash shop for unlocking dungeon boxes hehe.  Oh you don't "need" this fresh content but it's here if you want to purchase it.  Most people playing GW2 will still have a "sub", it just won't be fixed every month.

it has already been proven that a F2P with a mild cash shop will earn more than a game with a standard sub fee. a great example is LoL its free to play but ppl can buy boosts, characters, skins with real money.

none of these affect the gameplay so they are all accepted by the players. even i have spent 10-20 dollars to get some cool skins for my champions and to support riot.

arena net has already stated they have a team that will b working exlusively on DE content after launch adding new ones and cycling out some of the over played ones .

your still stuck in the game has to have a sub to b good. this is not true as long as the cash shop doesnt give an advantage gw2 will do great. and looking at gw1 cash shop there wasnt any P2W items.

Aion is now F2P and you don't even need to buy the game either. It might be a little older, but for free I don't see many people choosing TERA over it in the long run.  More people playing was all Aion needed but now that it's F2P with a cash shop anything after 40 could be tough.  Aside from fortress PvP TERA IMO is better in every way.  My time is worth more than 15.00/month.  Most of you would say that for yourself right? Playing a game because it's free over one that you would like better is, in a round about way, disrespectful to your worth.

tera being better is your opinion. some people may prefer hotkey combat and not action combat so aion would apeal to them more. im playing aion not tera.

sub have always been the biggest scam look at MMOs its not about the content its about the grind all they care about is giving you the biggest grind they can to keep you around longer

and if im gonna spend money on a MMO its going to be for a game that actualy changes the formula a bit. gw2 takes out the grindy bits and leaves you with the fun bits(i hope since i havnt played idk) but this is what i get from the press beta and streamers such as TB.

SWTOR has its fans because of the franchise it was made after. Doubt TERA could have a bigger cult following.  I'm looking for something BETTER, not something more popular.  If a game is truly good it will have a strong following and not because of it's IP.  For SW fans and those that have not played MMOs before TOR is great.  For someone who played that "system" before it's not that impressive IMO

true cant say much more other than im a hardcore EU star wars fan and SWTOR doesnt feel like star wars

Diablo 3 is coming soon, it is not an MMORPG as these games, but it is still an RPG and no monthly fee, also has a huge following, don't see many at all choosing TERA over D3.  D3 does have a huge following and I'm baffled by it to be honest.  My first PC RPG was D2 but still... I think it will be an accessory game though not a person's main one.

TERA seems decent, but I don't think it will beat out any of the games I mentioned above, thus it won't be a sleeper hit IMO.  In total sales? Probably not.  Does that make it better? You compared TERA to two B2P games and a converted F2P.  Concurrent players? For a while inthe case of all three possibly.  People love free even when they coul be getting something more advanced, something 3D or something that is charged up front.

just because something is more advanced doesnt make it better. if you take a look at the handheld market since the gameboy nintendo has never had the more advanced system/games but nintendo has always been the main handheld for decades. psp/vita has better tech and more advance games but will you see alot of vita sales? not really it was a flop even in japan. IP, development team means alot i will never buy another bioware game after the mess with ME3 the failure of SWTOR and i never played DA2 but i heard it was bad.

  As you can see, everyone can have a different take on things .  GW2 will take the attention of a LOT of people for a while from every game.  How long depends on ANet.  It brings a lot of changes but they took a lot away as well.  How that plays out ong term isanyone's guess.

 I really don't care a this point.  I just want it to be May 1st already lol.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

If you give players a choice of DAoC PvP or WoW PvP I think you would see at least a 70% favorable percentage for the RvR/WvW style of PvP.

But that's because WOW's PVP sucks.

There are other kind of PVP's, like FFA PVP in games with little instancing like Tera.

Or Vanilla WOW with no e-sport arenas/battlegrounds, just faction based open world PVP.

Or FFA PVP with open world dungeons designed for PVP, like lineage 2.

Id say the poll would be 50% 50%, but we will never know.

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing  is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time.

 

This is pure gold, rofl.

What's even funnier is that this game will be old news in a year or two. Hopefully by then all QQ western mmo only players will leave to other games and won't be giving fail EME anymore bright ideas of lameness. 

Originally posted by MeerieBella

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing  is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time.

 

This is pure gold, rofl.

What's even funnier is that this game will be old news in a year or two. Hopefully by then all QQ western mmo only players will leave to other games and won't be giving fail EME anymore bright ideas of lameness. 

hey maybe u could be a fortune teller, care to fortell your future mate.

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing  is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time.

 

This is pure gold, rofl.

No, but about as silly as your own definition of "hardcore". Want hardcore? Join the army and volunteer for everything, or become a nurse in an emergencyroom or...

Your mousing ability will never make anyone or anything "hardcore" in my opinion.

And that is just it: Opinions! Everybody have one and we like different things.

I really hope TERA will be great and successful even if I won't play it. Some people like stuff I find meaningless and I have no need to belittle what they like. It's all about choices. 

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by Vaultar

Sorry OP but I simply don't feel like TERA will be a sleeper hit.

We already get very mixed reactions from gamers and press alike who had hands on experience  - some who praise combat and look over the other conventional mmorpg systems while others simply don't care about the combat and look at the game as a whole.

Mixed reactions is already a bad sign in my book.

Maybe if it was much less hyped but with overwhelmingly positive reactions from players in general who tried it then ya, the game may certaintly be a sleeper hit. However, that is just not the case.

Imo, the game certaintly won't be a hit but will definately survive and have its own niche. Specifically, for those that don't like great changes in their mmorpg but would instead, just want a more action orientated combat.

Or maybe they want to play a game where PVP and PVE aren't separated? not everyone likes to play carebear MMOs

so playing on an equal playing feild in both gear and lvl and abilities is carebear? 

sorry i prefer games that require skill and not a higher gear score

WvWvW is carebear? having actual objectives and forts to take is way better than

ganking someone thats questing

GW2 is hardcore.

Darkfall is casual.

Makes sense.

Lol if you think Tera will be the only game with graphics and combats then that is quiet silly. GW2 is coming out in May too anyway and others will be coming out as well(though I can't say which ones :) ).

Korea already has these type of games and more. It's just a matter of them being published here and recnogized more. NA is so far-back it's hilarious. Tera is just being used as an "introduction" tool to the unknowing wannabe-hipster player.

The fact remains other than D&D and WoW(and the generic western mmo) the NA mmo market is filled with asian games. Almost all the top developers in the gaming market are...asian game developers.

Silly west, enjoy your 4-5 year old watered down korean game. Hopefully other publishers won't babify their games to fit such a generic and phobia boxed-in audience.

In the meanwhile the true and real hip players will continue to play korean games just as good or even better than Tera.

Darkfall ? the sandbox Darkfall?

This is becoming embarassingly funny.

But yeah after all Tera has territorial control like Archeage.

This thread really got fun. Had a couple of good laughs.

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Nethriil

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by Nethriil

Originally posted by Elminzter

Originally posted by Nethriil
So i was curious about arena Play in Tera so i looked up a YouTube video. I wastched 5 vs.5. It was aweful. Kept using the same skills and then a bit of dodge. No cc at all and no tactics. this one mage only was casting this small black shadow bolt or something. Wow arena is so much better and skilled

imo, as in real life it's better to try it for yourself than rely on videos, some may like it some may not based on your personal experience.

thats the reason why most games provide beta. trial version etc...

 

Well looking at this video doesnt give me great hopes for pvp http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=vjOpfEKHiG4 Maybe this is just a pve game

Playing and watching is very different, unless  you play it for yourself you can't tell whats going on in pvp at all. But if you want ot draw your conclusion based off the video i can't stop you, but Tera playing and watchins is not the same at all unlike some games.

 

Well either everyone that has posted pvp videos Are really bad players or pvp kind of sucks. And no gw2 and tera pvp Are not similar at all. I am no gw2 fanboy but the difference is huge

You're right, the difference is huge.  TERA PvP actually takes place in the persistent world instead of some giant, 2 week battleground where gear doesn't matter, level doesn't matter, and your name doesn't even matter since everyone is the same, faceless, clone.  Yay, how fun.

I've seen videos of GW2 PvP and combat.  Looks dull as hell.  So, I guess we all have our preferences.  

so you like ganking someone half your lvl? cause thats a real challenge

or killing someone that questing

or winning bc of your gear score and not your skills

GW2 is pvp with purpose 

in structured pvp its same lvl same lvl gear all abilities unlocked 

a team wont b winning bc they have better gear or are a higher lvl 

they will win bc they are more skilled or have better team work like it should b

Originally posted by otacu

Darkfall ? the sandbox Darkfall?

This is becoming embarassingly funny.

But yeah after all Tera has territorial control like Archeage.

This thread really got fun. Had a couple of good laughs.

According to you, PVP mixed with PVE is for casuals. So darkfall must be casual! ROFL

Who said anything about sandbox? what are you talking about?

Darkfall, like ArcheAge, WOW, TERA, hell, even SWTOR in some planets, all of them have open world PVP.

GW2 doesn't, you can't get killed, your feelings will never get hurt, it's a casual game.

But please say something more than just lame 1 liners, my signature has enough space for another gold phrase.

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by austriacus

Sadly the game cannot be a hit, and thats because the majority of people who play subscription MMOs are a bunch of xenophobic kids.

I personally love the art style and find the game very good but it will follow Aions route in the west, 2-3 years after release it will become ftp and before that it would have had a niche audience of prob around 200-500k people.

Sad really, the game has a lot of potential.

Xenophobic kids? WTH are you talking about?

BTW 200-500k are pretty awesome numbers for Tera.

 

Originally posted by corpusc

 

you WANT good features to spread.  you DON"T want it to be special to just one game.

 

 

Yes but we were discussing about how will Tera go in the 2012...

Neverwinter will have an action combat too... they are scheduled for late 2012 early 2013 and on top of that promise a lot of player generated content.

This is good for the players but not good for the game itself (Tera)

 

Originally posted by austriacus

 

Nothing to back it up? ROFL how about the years and years i have been the victim of americans being xenophobic towards me when im playing, and how about all the hundreds of people that use the word "weaboo" for anything asian related.

 

 

Just don't browse websites you are not supposed to browse. ok?

 

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

  They already have added more over the last year and a half and they still are.  Other than the three aspect "class" choice (which is boss) I don't see how Rift has anything TERA doesn't while I could list off many things TERA has ovre Rift.

 Well, battlegrounds technically since they wont be in for NA launch lol.  That aside Deathmatches are a nice alternative unless you're already on a PvP server.

 It's BHS's fault but I think people highly underrate what TERA is as a whole.  Again, this is the fault of BHS by making the first 20 levels a linear path with basic quests.

 

 

He means that the Trion's flow of content last year was impressive quality and quantity wise while Bluehole is known for being costantly behind schedule and releasing incomplete content.

Tera launched incompleted: they didn't add content in the last year they basically added things that were supposed to be there at launch (even BHS developers admitted that). And even now Battlegrounds are missing!

Look at the endgame instanced dungeons.... in Korea there are only 2  60lvls hard mode dungeons: compare it with dungeons and raid in Rift. That's what people are concerned about.

And we are kinda lucky in the West since 3 lower level dungeons are upgraded to cap so we will have 5 endgame hard mode dungeons. BHS better speed up their development or tera's future will look grim

 

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

 

As for the GW2 vs. Aion thing, you obviously just skimmed over my post, because I never said you were comparing GW2 to Aion.  I was pointing out that the audiences of the two games can be mutually exclusive.  GW2 being successful doesn't mean that TERA won't, because they'll attract a different type of player.  I didn't think that would be a difficult point to understand, but apparently I was wrong.  

And considering that the endgame content is where TERA will shine, I wouldn't worry too much about what the hardcores will do after 4 weeks.  :)

 

Actually is not that simple. The hardcore PVErs will stay with WOW,Swtor and Rifts because let's be honest they want instanced raids and Tera and Gw2 won't have it.

They both will attract casual pve'rs

The hardcore pvp'rs will flock to Gw2. Why? Because GW had a good reputation as one the best pvp mmorpg ever, there are going to be lot's of tools for tournaments, there is no PVE grind to start PVP and the PVP is completely skill based since the gear has no meaning in competitive pvp.

Tera will attract the casual pvp'rs since it's a gear based mmorpg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yup GW2 is making PvP into an Esport

I had a couple of good laughs too. Like how certain people are praising something that has yet to be played extensively for more than a few hours / weekend by the majority of those waiting for it :)
 
Nevermind! What am I saying? It's the second coming! 

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by otacu

Actually is not that simple. The hardcore PVErs will stay with WOW,Swtor and Rifts because let's be honest they want instanced raids and Tera and Gw2 won't have it.

They both will attract casual pve'rs

The hardcore pvp'rs will flock to Gw2. Why? Because GW had a good reputation as one the best pvp mmorpg ever, there are going to be lot's of tools for tournaments, there is no PVE grind to start PVP and the PVP is completely skill based since the gear has no meaning in competitive pvp.

Tera will attract the casual pvp'rs since it's a gear based mmorpg.

 

Agreed about the PvE crowd.  But you are dead wrong about the hardcore PvPers.  Hardcore PvPers like their PvP to mix with their PvE.  They don't like it in nice neat compartments and separate just so they don't have to worry about being ganked.  And harcore PvPers also enjoy progression, accomplishment, and achievement.  

The casuals will PvP in GW2.  The hardcore achiever crowd will prefer TERA.  

ok tera can have all the hardcore gankers 

gw2 will have all the pro players for the Esports tournaments

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Darkfall ? the sandbox Darkfall?

This is becoming embarassingly funny.

But yeah after all Tera has territorial control like Archeage.

This thread really got fun. Had a couple of good laughs.

According to you, PVP mixed with PVE is for casuals. So darkfall must be casual! ROFL

 

Who said anything about sandbox? what are you talking about?

 

Darkfall, like ArcheAge, WOW, TERA, hell, even SWTOR in some planets, all of them have open world PVP.

 

GW2 doesn't, you can't get killed, your feelings will never get hurt, it's a casual game.

 

No the pvp mixed with PVE in TERA is for casuals.

If you don't see the difference is YOUR problem.

There is a huge difference between owpvp in a themepark and owpvp in a sandbox (eve, darkfall, archeage). Hardcore owpvp'rs don't even consider Tera as an option... and for reasons.

But by your definition WOW has owpvp so it's for harcore pvp players. So it's fine he he

And if you can't get your feelings hurt you're it's not a hardcore pvp game. lol.

This is hilarious.

I have to bookmark this thread.

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by otacu

Actually is not that simple. The hardcore PVErs will stay with WOW,Swtor and Rifts because let's be honest they want instanced raids and Tera and Gw2 won't have it.

They both will attract casual pve'rs

The hardcore pvp'rs will flock to Gw2. Why? Because GW had a good reputation as one the best pvp mmorpg ever, there are going to be lot's of tools for tournaments, there is no PVE grind to start PVP and the PVP is completely skill based since the gear has no meaning in competitive pvp.

Tera will attract the casual pvp'rs since it's a gear based mmorpg.

 

Agreed about the PvE crowd.  But you are dead wrong about the hardcore PvPers.  Hardcore PvPers like their PvP to mix with their PvE.  They don't like it in nice neat compartments and separate just so they don't have to worry about being ganked.  And harcore PvPers also enjoy progression, accomplishment, and achievement.  

The casuals will PvP in GW2.  The hardcore achiever crowd will prefer TERA.  

ok tera can have all the hardcore gankers 

gw2 will have all the pro players for the Esports tournaments

hun esport, really imo DOTA, DOTA2, LOL, Starcraft 2 are esport cause there are audience watching them, competition with monetary value etc..., wtf GW2, esport!!!! care to pass me some of the crap you are smoking?

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by otacu

Actually is not that simple. The hardcore PVErs will stay with WOW,Swtor and Rifts because let's be honest they want instanced raids and Tera and Gw2 won't have it.

They both will attract casual pve'rs

The hardcore pvp'rs will flock to Gw2. Why? Because GW had a good reputation as one the best pvp mmorpg ever, there are going to be lot's of tools for tournaments, there is no PVE grind to start PVP and the PVP is completely skill based since the gear has no meaning in competitive pvp.

Tera will attract the casual pvp'rs since it's a gear based mmorpg.

 

Agreed about the PvE crowd.  But you are dead wrong about the hardcore PvPers.  Hardcore PvPers like their PvP to mix with their PvE.  They don't like it in nice neat compartments and separate just so they don't have to worry about being ganked.  And harcore PvPers also enjoy progression, accomplishment, and achievement.  

The casuals will PvP in GW2.  The hardcore achiever crowd will prefer TERA.  

 

How is an e-sport pvp tailored for casual pvp'rs? The hardcore pvp'rs don't want to be mixed with pve and they despise to grind gear in PVE to be able to do PVP.  They want to do do pvp 24hr a day and Gw2 let them do it. They can even level from 1 to 80 just with PVP.

The casual pvp'rs are the one that want to go out in the world and mix from time to time pve with pvp. They don't care about fair fights and like to have differences in numbers and gear.

It's the other way around. 

Most of the Hardcore pvp guilds are not even considering Tera as it's too gear based and are waiting for Gw2 to launch. Few will go to Tera but not many.

You got it backwards dude, open world PVP, guild vs guild drama, ganking, THAT'S hardcore.

E-sport snorefests against no-names isn't hardcore, it's call of duty casual.

GW2 is like an FPS with 5 skills, woopdie dooM the casual of the casual

 

so much ignorance idk where to start

1st off your WEAPON is your 1st 5 skills

which can b switched in combat to give you another 5 skills

you have your heal skill

you have 3 utility skills

you have an elite skill

and you have you class perk skills like warriors adrenaline, warlock lich form, mesmer shatters...ect

oh and theres the dodge skill

thats atleast 17 skills depending on your class

you have it backwards. the pro players will b playing gw2 

look at LoL its an Esports game based on player skill and teamwork 

not on whos a higher lvl or who has a better gearscore

do you seen koreans clamoring for tera tournaments?

SC2, LoL the players sart on equal footing its their SKILLS that set them apart

when you say hardcore you just mean hardcore gankers

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Darkfall ? the sandbox Darkfall?

This is becoming embarassingly funny.

But yeah after all Tera has territorial control like Archeage.

This thread really got fun. Had a couple of good laughs.

According to you, PVP mixed with PVE is for casuals. So darkfall must be casual! ROFL

 

Who said anything about sandbox? what are you talking about?

 

Darkfall, like ArcheAge, WOW, TERA, hell, even SWTOR in some planets, all of them have open world PVP.

 

GW2 doesn't, you can't get killed, your feelings will never get hurt, it's a casual game.

 

No the pvp mixed with PVE in TERA is for casuals.

If you don't see the difference is YOUR problem.

There is a huge difference between owpvp in a themepark and owpvp in a sandbox (eve, darkfall, archeage). Hardcore owpvp'rs don't even consider Tera as an option... and for reasons.

 

Indeed, hardcore PVPers would never play Tera unless they wanted a new game, since there are better options.

But something is clear, they would never go to a casualfest like GW2, Tera is a much better option for hardcore PVPers than GW2.

GW2 for hardcore PVPers..... im gonna take a picture of your post and use it as a wallpaper, looool.

Originally posted by Elminzter

Originally posted by chibineko89

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by otacu

Actually is not that simple. The hardcore PVErs will stay with WOW,Swtor and Rifts because let's be honest they want instanced raids and Tera and Gw2 won't have it.

They both will attract casual pve'rs

The hardcore pvp'rs will flock to Gw2. Why? Because GW had a good reputation as one the best pvp mmorpg ever, there are going to be lot's of tools for tournaments, there is no PVE grind to start PVP and the PVP is completely skill based since the gear has no meaning in competitive pvp.

Tera will attract the casual pvp'rs since it's a gear based mmorpg.

 

Agreed about the PvE crowd.  But you are dead wrong about the hardcore PvPers.  Hardcore PvPers like their PvP to mix with their PvE.  They don't like it in nice neat compartments and separate just so they don't have to worry about being ganked.  And harcore PvPers also enjoy progression, accomplishment, and achievement.  

The casuals will PvP in GW2.  The hardcore achiever crowd will prefer TERA.  

ok tera can have all the hardcore gankers 

gw2 will have all the pro players for the Esports tournaments

hun esport, really imo DOTA, DOTA2, LOL, Starcraft 2 are esport cause there are audience watching them, competition with monetary value etc..., wtf GW2, esport!!!! care to pass me some of the crap you are smoking?

Ask otacu im sure he has some good stuff.

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by spaceport

 

Get a clue, instanced e-sport PVP IS casual.

PVE mixed with PVP is hardcore, it leads to guild wars, PVP in open world dungeons, competition between guilds.

 

You speak like someone who started playing MMOs with WOW..

E-Sport PVP isn't hardcore, and it will never be.

 

I don't get it, it's ok, you can play a casual MMO, don't feel bad about it, don't try to fool yourself.

 

Another MMO with hardcore PVP is ArcheAge.

Fine you don't get it but don't cry when all the hardcore pvp guilds won't go to Tera and you will wonder "why?"

KTera didn't teach anything i see.

 

BTW Archeage is a sandbox game with territorial control and not a Themepark like Tera. Way to choose a bad example.

Both have Open world PVP with territorial control.

Unlike GW2 casualfest where you go to a separated area to have some "quick fun" pvping agains't players with no names in a zergfest for pre-defined objectives in a 2 week long match.

It's basically like Call of Duty, mindless fun with no risk/reward.

 

I could care less about what those E-sport FPSers guilds do, they would probably QQ and quit in 1 week after playing a real MMO.

2 week long battle of objectives will b better territorial control than tera has any day

gw2 brings a server together toward a goal 

it doesnt rip them apart  with "guild wars" and "mob tagging" artificially barrier such as parties/guilds