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Guild Wars 2 Forum » General Discussion » Why is my graphic performance so bad?

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  Quizzical

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3/21/13 12:47:26 PM#241
Originally posted by Ridelynn

*sits back and munches on popcorn*

I love a good PEBCAC story. This one is especially good.

I'm not sure if this is a PEBKAC or merely a "user is trying to make hardware do something that it can't do" story.  Though you could argue that the latter is a PEBKAC story, too; Wootloops should have bought a Radeon HD 7970, or maybe two of them in CrossFire.  The problem with narrow niche uses is that they're not necessarily all that well documented.

Kepler was likely well into development by the time Nvidia decided that it needed to support more than two monitors (because AMD was supporting six, and the marketing department says that you can't let your competitor have a talking point of "we can do this and our competitor can't").  At that point, you can't necessarily change the silicon to do whatever you want, the way you could if you were starting from scratch with needing to fully support four or six monitors and needing to design everything around that.

Just because you can plug four monitors into a Kepler card doesn't automatically mean that you can make all four monitors display completely independent things.  And even if you can, it doesn't automatically follow that you can still do that while using SLI.  As I read it, the Nvidia site looked like it said that you can only use three monitors off of a GTX 690 if you're using SLI.

  Quizzical

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3/21/13 12:50:54 PM#242
Originally posted by knightaudit

As for running 4 monitors ... (and i say this as someone who wears glasses) Do you have 4 eyes? I do not see why you need that much monitor space when you can only really look at one at a time? I have 2 but one is for things like E mail, website information or music ... the other is the game ...

Even if you only look at one monitor at a time, it's tremendously convenient to be able to check information in another program by glancing over at it rather than having to alt+tab to switch.  If there are several other programs that you want to look at while playing a game, then several monitors make sense.  I personally usually have both Excel and Opera running while playing games.

  Quizzical

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3/21/13 12:53:47 PM#243
Originally posted by botrytis

ALSO - NVIDIA STATES THAT ONLY ANOTHER GTX 690 CAN BE USED IN SLI WITH A GTX 690. There is your issue NOB!

The two GPUs from a single GeForce GTX 690 also constitutes SLI.  All that you found is that if you want to add even more GPUs in SLI and want to include a single GTX 690, the only option is to add an additional GTX 690 for quad SLI.  But the original poster isn't trying to use the 7800 or 8800 in SLI.

  Quizzical

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3/21/13 12:56:48 PM#244
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
It is unbelievable how a rgraphics card that cost around $1000 can't do stuff a card that costs half can.
How long have you bought your system? .
I would change the gtx690 for 2 gtx680 or 2 7970GE

Why is that so unbelievable?  You pay more for extra performance, not for extra features.  If an architecture doesn't offer a feature at all, then getting a higher performance version of the same architecture probably still won't offer the feature.  A GeForce GTX 295 doesn't support DirectX 11, for example, while a Radeon HD 5450 does.  Or to take a more recent example, a GeForce GTX 690 doesn't support DirectX 11.1, while a Radeon HD 7750 does.  The reason is that no Kepler cards support DirectX 11.1, while GCN cards do.

  Quizzical

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3/21/13 12:59:32 PM#245
Originally posted by Wootloops
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
It is unbelievable how a rgraphics card that cost around $1000 can't do stuff a card that costs half can.
How long have you bought your system? .
I would change the gtx690 for 2 gtx680 or 2 7970GE

I got the system in October 2012, and the card can do everything the other cards can, it's just that if you want the most performance of that card in dual-GPU mode outside of surround, then you have to use 3 monitors. And I'd still rather have the 690 than those other cards in SLI, as the 680 in SLI would cap me at only 4 monitors, and I won't likely need more than 5 monitors (my current cap) until Nvidia is out with cards with 6 ports anyway (which I'd buy the cheapest one of and replace the 8800), making the difference between the 7970 and the 690 a potential of 6 monitors vs 9.

It can do everything that other cards can do, except for running lots of monitors.  That is, it can do everything except for what you need.

This is why you ask what to buy before you make a purchase, rather than buying something random and hoping it's good.  Well, you personally don't, but it's why you should.  Had you said that you wanted to run a lot of monitors and asked what to get, you would have been pointed very strongly toward a Radeon HD 7970 or 7970 GHz Edition, or possibly two of them.  And a motherboard with appropriate slot spacing to actually use two video cards at once.

  Quizzical

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3/21/13 1:03:09 PM#246
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Have you changed the camera turning speed?

I'm not sure what the camera turning speed option in Guild Wars 2 even does.  With the slider all the way to the left, the camera whips around suddenly at random times.  And with the slider all the way to the right, the camera still whips around suddenly at random times.  Maybe it only affects situations where the camera doesn't decide to whip around suddenly at random times--that is, the situations where it doesn't matter so much how fast the camera is turning.

  Gaia_Hunter

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3/21/13 4:03:30 PM#247
Does crossfire work on window mode now?
It didn't use to so the best option would be 2 gtx680 in sli - which cost the same and perform the same as a gtx690 and can do 4 independent screens in sli.

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  Wootloops

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OP  3/21/13 5:08:05 PM#248
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Does crossfire work on window mode now?
It didn't use to so the best option would be 2 gtx680 in sli - which cost the same and perform the same as a gtx690 and can do 4 independent screens in sli.

Don't know if it works or not, but whether it does or doesn't, the 690 is better than the 7970 Crossfire and 680 SLI, as there's more monitor potential in all cases, as I explained.

  Quizzical

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3/21/13 6:37:09 PM#249
Originally posted by Wootloops
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Does crossfire work on window mode now?
It didn't use to so the best option would be 2 gtx680 in sli - which cost the same and perform the same as a gtx690 and can do 4 independent screens in sli.

Don't know if it works or not, but whether it does or doesn't, the 690 is better than the 7970 Crossfire and 680 SLI, as there's more monitor potential in all cases, as I explained.

If the problems you're having with four monitors constitute "more monitor potential" than 6 monitors independently doing whatever you want, as a 7970 can do, then why did you start this thread?

You can "maximize" a window to fill one monitor, and then have the rest do whatever you want.  I do that all the time with my (two monitor) setup, though I don't use CrossFire or SLI.  Because I actually care about reliability.

  Wootloops

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OP  3/21/13 6:45:07 PM#250
Originally posted by Quizzical

If the problems you're having with four monitors constitute "more monitor potential" than 6 monitors independently doing whatever you want, as a 7970 can do, then why did you start this thread?

You can "maximize" a window to fill one monitor, and then have the rest do whatever you want.  I do that all the time with my (two monitor) setup, though I don't use CrossFire or SLI.  Because I actually care about reliability.

I can't understand what you're saying or asking from that wording.

  Raunu

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3/21/13 7:02:41 PM#251

Go on, keep ignoring those "remove the 8800" posts. You really don't have many options left open to you, so I'd try it if I were you.   Remove the 8800 and update your drivers. It'll take 5 minutes.

 

If it doesn't work, pop the 8800 back in and put the old drivers back on. An additional 5 minutes.

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  Gaia_Hunter

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3/21/13 7:10:48 PM#252
Originally posted by Wootloops
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Does crossfire work on window mode now?
It didn't use to so the best option would be 2 gtx680 in sli - which cost the same and perform the same as a gtx690 and can do 4 independent screens in sli.

Don't know if it works or not, but whether it does or doesn't, the 690 is better than the 7970 Crossfire and 680 SLI, as there's more monitor potential in all cases, as I explained.

If what you want is loads of monitors a single 7970 can run 6 independent monitors. And you can run bot2 of them in crossfire for same or higher performance than a GTX690.

http://www.amd.com/uk/products/technologies/amd-eyefinity-technology/for-consumers/Pages/what-is-eyefinity.aspx

Expand your view of gaming, productivity, and entertainment and discover a new realm of panoramic computing with AMD Eyefinity multiple-display technology.1, 2  AMD Eyefinity Technology enables a single GPU to support up to six independent display outputs simultaneously. Boost everyday multitasking with a vastly expanded visual workspace. Intensify gaming with ultra-immersive environments. Expand your entertainment landscape with a breathtaking field-of-view. With easy configuration and flexible upgradeability, the innovative capabilities of AMD Eyefinity technology adds a new "surround-sight" sensation to your PC experience.

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  Gaia_Hunter

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3/21/13 7:15:33 PM#253
Originally posted by Wootloops
Originally posted by Quizzical

If the problems you're having with four monitors constitute "more monitor potential" than 6 monitors independently doing whatever you want, as a 7970 can do, then why did you start this thread?

You can "maximize" a window to fill one monitor, and then have the rest do whatever you want.  I do that all the time with my (two monitor) setup, though I don't use CrossFire or SLI.  Because I actually care about reliability.

I can't understand what you're saying or asking from that wording.

Multi GPU as good as it is, is more complex, so it has a higher chance of problems.

Many people (amongst the crazy that spend crazy amounts of money in GPUs) will pay the same $1000 for a Geforce Titan over a GTX690, even though the GTX690 is 35%+ faster than a Titan, since it allows them to dodge the multi gpu problems.

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  jdnewell

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3/21/13 7:24:28 PM#254

From what I can gather the stutter problem persists no matter what configuration he uses. With or without the added 7800/8800.

I would personally remove a card that old from that system regardless.

But I think the problem is in the drivers and SLI 690. I had the same problem with a couple of games when I had an SLI rig years ago. If everything else runs fine and you only have this problem with GW2 then you may just have to live with it. I dont think there is an easy fix on your end. And as you have already seen changing configurations, hardware, ect to try and fix a minor problem for one game isnt worth it usually.

Thats my opinion, take it for what its worth.

  Wootloops

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OP  3/21/13 7:49:27 PM#255
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

If what you want is loads of monitors a single 7970 can run 6 independent monitors. And you can run bot2 of them in crossfire for same or higher performance than a GTX690.

http://www.amd.com/uk/products/technologies/amd-eyefinity-technology/for-consumers/Pages/what-is-eyefinity.aspx

Expand your view of gaming, productivity, and entertainment and discover a new realm of panoramic computing with AMD Eyefinity multiple-display technology.1, 2  AMD Eyefinity Technology enables a single GPU to support up to six independent display outputs simultaneously. Boost everyday multitasking with a vastly expanded visual workspace. Intensify gaming with ultra-immersive environments. Expand your entertainment landscape with a breathtaking field-of-view. With easy configuration and flexible upgradeability, the innovative capabilities of AMD Eyefinity technology adds a new "surround-sight" sensation to your PC experience.

For the third time, as I explained in my previous post, the 690 has more monitor potential than the 7970 in Crossfire with 6 monitors, as the 690 allows me to add an addition card into my system, allowing me to exceed the 6 monitor cap the 7970 in Crossfire would give me. The 690 gives me the most power per monitor potential tradeoff, and is thusly the superior option.

  Wootloops

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OP  3/21/13 7:51:50 PM#256
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Multi GPU as good as it is, is more complex, so it has a higher chance of problems.

Many people (amongst the crazy that spend crazy amounts of money in GPUs) will pay the same $1000 for a Geforce Titan over a GTX690, even though the GTX690 is 35%+ faster than a Titan, since it allows them to dodge the multi gpu problems.

The high performance increase is worth the chance of problems.

  jdnewell

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3/21/13 7:57:57 PM#257
Originally posted by Wootloops
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

If what you want is loads of monitors a single 7970 can run 6 independent monitors. And you can run bot2 of them in crossfire for same or higher performance than a GTX690.

http://www.amd.com/uk/products/technologies/amd-eyefinity-technology/for-consumers/Pages/what-is-eyefinity.aspx

Expand your view of gaming, productivity, and entertainment and discover a new realm of panoramic computing with AMD Eyefinity multiple-display technology.1, 2  AMD Eyefinity Technology enables a single GPU to support up to six independent display outputs simultaneously. Boost everyday multitasking with a vastly expanded visual workspace. Intensify gaming with ultra-immersive environments. Expand your entertainment landscape with a breathtaking field-of-view. With easy configuration and flexible upgradeability, the innovative capabilities of AMD Eyefinity technology adds a new "surround-sight" sensation to your PC experience.

For the third time, as I explained in my previous post, the 690 has more monitor potential than the 7970 in Crossfire with 6 monitors, as the 690 allows me to add an addition card into my system, allowing me to exceed the 6 monitor cap the 7970 in Crossfire would give me. The 690 gives me the most power per monitor potential tradeoff, and is thusly the superior option.

And as others have told you the tradeoff for having an unconventional setup can be problems with some games and applications. If you want some exotic command center in a strange configuration then dont expect everything to run perfectly.

I run an I5 and a 7870. It runs the shit out of GW2 with zero problems. Something in your command center doesnt jibe with GW2 for whatever reason. Thats the price of having the command center I suppose.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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3/22/13 4:15:42 AM#258
Originally posted by Wootloops
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

If what you want is loads of monitors a single 7970 can run 6 independent monitors. And you can run bot2 of them in crossfire for same or higher performance than a GTX690.

http://www.amd.com/uk/products/technologies/amd-eyefinity-technology/for-consumers/Pages/what-is-eyefinity.aspx

Expand your view of gaming, productivity, and entertainment and discover a new realm of panoramic computing with AMD Eyefinity multiple-display technology.1, 2  AMD Eyefinity Technology enables a single GPU to support up to six independent display outputs simultaneously. Boost everyday multitasking with a vastly expanded visual workspace. Intensify gaming with ultra-immersive environments. Expand your entertainment landscape with a breathtaking field-of-view. With easy configuration and flexible upgradeability, the innovative capabilities of AMD Eyefinity technology adds a new "surround-sight" sensation to your PC experience.

For the third time, as I explained in my previous post, the 690 has more monitor potential than the 7970 in Crossfire with 6 monitors, as the 690 allows me to add an addition card into my system, allowing me to exceed the 6 monitor cap the 7970 in Crossfire would give me. The 690 gives me the most power per monitor potential tradeoff, and is thusly the superior option.

2x7970 means the potential to plug 12 screens. You'd have understood that if you bothered reading and understanding what several people have been telling you.

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  GroovyFlower

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3/22/13 4:26:57 AM#259
Originally posted by Wootloops

I have a six core i7-3930k, a GTX 690, 16 GB of RAM, and an SSD, and for some reason the game is just choppy and slow, most noticeably if I spin around really fast, causing everything to lock up for like half a second.

I turned off dual GPU mode for the 690, turned off windowed mode for the game, and tried messing with the graphics settings but nothing really helped.

Maybe it's my Nvidia drivers, as I'm stuck on 307.74 because I use a second 7800 GTX card for extra monitors, and that's the last driver to support that card, but these drivers came out well after Guild Wars 2 was released.

With all graphics settings maxed (No vertical sync), running in a straight line in the Azura starting area I get like 45-60 FPS depending on the area, and as soon as I start even slightly turning, it drops to 25-45 FPS.

I feel like I should be getting better results with my specs.

Ive got a 3770k and amd 7970 16gb platiunum corsair ddr 3 1800mhz OCZ 256 gb ssd so i hav inferior PC compares to you and have 100fps seems something wrong with your pc maybe buy new one i say ?

FPS btw almost dont change with more players and spells it all keep running flawlessly no framerate problems at all.

  taus01

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3/22/13 4:49:44 AM#260
Originally posted by Wootloops
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Just curious... what's the point of having so many monitors then if not for surround gaming?

Multitasking. Currently I have it set up as such:

Left monitor: World of Warcraft, Mumble, Sticky Notes, my twitter app, and my chat windows.

Center monitor: Guild Wars 2, my video player (Game of Thrones), and one of my browser windows.

Right monitor: Second browser window.

Above monitor: Assortment of pictures, a looping slideshow, and a looping video of hot girls.

And I always run out of room too. The command center is never complete.

Really? This was on Page 2 of this thread and you continue to take this guy serious? He needs an additional 7800/8800 card to run looping slideshows of hot girls.

I feel sorry for everyone that tried to help this "power user" with his "command center".

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