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Guild Wars 2 Forum » General Discussion » Cantha expansion and asian themed content 'banned' for cultural reasons

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  Zeus.CM

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OP  2/16/13 3:41:10 AM#1

Have you ever wondered what is that huge hole in the Divinity's Reach - The Great Collapse?

(today)

It used to be fullly designed and completed asian themed Canthan district and according to wiki collapsed into the hole it is today because of poor foundations.

(in 2010)

Of course that wasn't the real reason why would Arenanet destroy its work and turn it into a craphole. Apparently, an NCSoft producer from Korea suggested that asians don't like cultural mixing, and demanded to make GW2 "universal"! Arenanet's Guild Wars franchise was famous for mixing the European (Ascalon), Greek (Kryta), African (Elona) and Asian (Cantha) themes into one world of rich lore. In 2010, Arenanet was therefor forced to delete all work on Canthan elements in GW2! The unnamed NCSoft producer from Korea don't work anymore but the decision wasn't changed.

In the relatively recent interview (22nd December, 2012) with Josh Foreman, map designer from Arenanet, he revealed the real reason for destroying Canthan district, despite possible sanctions by his superiors, in order to reach out to us - the fans - to voice up and somehow demand the return of Cantha and cultural diversity in GW2 world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xWo8G0OJ0FM#t=6226s

The forum thread was created on official forums:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/How-is-getting-rid-of-Cantha-a-universal-representation-of-humanity/page/2

where all the rumors were confirmed (again) by the same Josh Foreman who kindly joined the discussion.

Cantha was my favorite GW1 region to work on. And I worked on every GW release. I know a lot of the dev team loved it and would love to revisit it. I kinda agree with critickitten about the negative aspect of tight corridors. Most of that came from hitting technological limits while trying to keep the epic quality of the concept art. I think we could do some really amazing things with those themes in our new engine. Certainly nothing is ruled out. I certainly encourage anyone to express your desire for a Cantha region in GW2 in a positive and friendly way. It could be years away, but it’s worth asking for.

His last sentence pretty much confirms that the 2013 gw2 expansion will not be Cantha, and posibly we will not see it years to come if ever! Also, anyone who were hoping for Tengu as playable race, can forget it, since they come from Cantha.

"but it’s worth asking for."

So, I call all Guild Wars fans new and old to demand the return of Cantha and Elona into Guild Wars universe, because one crappy cultural decision was enough to destroy 2/3 of Guild Wars lore and world. Join the discussion:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/How-is-getting-rid-of-Cantha-a-universal-representation-of-humanity/first

Thanks.

  tryklon

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2/16/13 3:43:41 AM#2

Never really liked asian theme in games.

Meh, im fine this way, hope it remains.

  Alot

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2/16/13 3:44:28 AM#3

*Sigh* NCSoft... why do you have to ban my favorite continent in Tyria?

  Zeus.CM

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OP  2/16/13 3:51:47 AM#4
Originally posted by Alot

*Sigh* NCSoft... why do you have to ban my favorite continent in Tyria?

Before we start bashing NCSoft consider reading this comment on this by Josh Foreman:

"Indeed. I’ve been in this industry for 16 years and worked with a several publishers including Interplay, Sierra, THQ and now NCSoft. And for what it’s worth, the amount of creative freedom that NCSoft gives ArenaNet is MASSIVE compared to the others. NCSoft is crazy successful for a reason. They recognize the talent here and support us with a very hands-off policy in general. They give us a LOT of feedback and data to work with, but I’ve never got the impression that they are overlords like I have with the other publishers I’ve worked under."

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/How-is-getting-rid-of-Cantha-a-universal-representation-of-humanity/1400102

  Connmacart

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2/16/13 5:10:42 AM#5

I don't care for it on the official forums and neither here. You have one dev saying something most likely from a very skewed view of the situation. It's one sided and honestly I would like the full picture. Even then, demanding this will only detract from game development. I would much more like a coherent world than a broken up one due to some people demanding a certain area to be put in.

From a lore point of view Cantha and Elona are actually off limits until certain things are dealt with. Zhaitan might be dead but his army and armada si still out there preventing ships from sialing to cantha. There is also bubbles the deep sea dragon somewhere there. On top of that cantha closed itself off from outsiders, remember. To get to Elona you need to cross the crystal desert a bad place to be before an elder dragon set up shop there. No doubt even worse now. Not to forget the desolation with yoko.

Currently Anet can go north towards Jormag and the former Charr lands or south towards droknar's forge and the northern part of the crystal desert. They can also go west into maguuma more. Lots of options that make a whole lot more sense than going to other continents at this point in time.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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2/16/13 5:12:40 AM#6
Since that Korean dude who had that stupid idea is no longer in the company, I guess an Asian styled expansion is possible in the future now. I'm glad it's not anytime soon though.

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  Lovely_Laly

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2/16/13 9:24:06 AM#7

IMO: GW1 is 3 games + 1 x-pack, so all was split up and not mixed.
May be this idea still same for GW2 and future games / packs.

Anyway I don't see any drama of either decision.

P.S. just curious: Greece is not Europe?

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  Icewhite

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2/16/13 9:27:43 AM#8
Originally posted by Lovely_Laly

P.S. just curious: Greece is not Europe?

Nope, Grease is the word... :groan:

Sorry, some puns should be left untapped.

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  Maephisto

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2/16/13 9:45:27 AM#9

This is interesting.  I wonder the reasoning behind this.  I spent a number of years in Korea and Thailand, there was a sense that the host nation populace didnt quite enjoy the presence of other cultures (specifically western).  This sense of unwelcoming came mostly from the college age crowd. 

Was Pandaria well recieved in the East?

If Asians dont like "culture mixing" how can someone explain engrish?

  Zeus.CM

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OP  2/16/13 10:48:03 AM#10
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Lovely_Laly

P.S. just curious: Greece is not Europe?

Nope, Grease is the word... :groan:

Sorry, some puns should be left untapped.

I know Greece is in Europe, they are practically adjacent to my country (see Croatia). I was implying that Kryta was very specific to Greek culture, while Ascalon to Europe in general (France, Great Britain, Germany, Spain...).

But to the topic. This news might mean to new GW2 players absolutely nothing, but to old GW1 players like me it does, big time.

  Kuppa

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2/16/13 11:03:11 AM#11
Well their next XP will probably not be a different continent because there is still tons uncovered in the current one. They will eventually go to others and its kind of ridiculous to come up with new ones or change the theme of the current ones.


  fivoroth

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2/16/13 12:16:53 PM#12

The post by Josh doesn't automatically exclude a Canthan expansion. He says can be years away. Can be is very vague. It certainly doesn't confirm anything.

Anyways I don't see what's the problem with adding Asian themed content. Factions had some very nice zones.

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  Torgrim

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2/17/13 5:08:20 AM#13
Anyone else tried to jump down in that pit?

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  Ilaya

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2/17/13 5:17:59 AM#14
Originally posted by Torgrim
Anyone else tried to jump down in that pit?

Sure :) !

  Robokapp

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2/17/13 5:26:09 AM#15

Sierra was mentioned.

 

never again will such graphics exist... :(

  Isawa

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2/17/13 5:28:06 AM#16
Lol watch out if you mix up Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc architecture...
  tawess

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2/17/13 5:41:09 AM#17
Originally posted by Zeus.CM
Originally posted by Alot

*Sigh* NCSoft... why do you have to ban my favorite continent in Tyria?

Before we start bashing NCSoft consider reading this comment on this by Josh Foreman:

"Indeed. I’ve been in this industry for 16 years and worked with a several publishers including Interplay, Sierra, THQ and now NCSoft. And for what it’s worth, the amount of creative freedom that NCSoft gives ArenaNet is MASSIVE compared to the others. NCSoft is crazy successful for a reason. They recognize the talent here and support us with a very hands-off policy in general. They give us a LOT of feedback and data to work with, but I’ve never got the impression that they are overlords like I have with the other publishers I’ve worked under."

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/How-is-getting-rid-of-Cantha-a-universal-representation-of-humanity/1400102

Yeah on that part NCSoft is great, i remember when they agreed to parner up with cryptic for CoH. They did not feel the game was up to par and gave Cryptic a whole year and extra funding to be able to polish the game up to what it was at release. So if they went in and micro-managed something i would guess there was a legit concern and they do know the asian market both from culture and experince.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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2/17/13 6:32:22 AM#18
Originally posted by Eluldor
Lol watch out if you mix up Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc architecture...

Blizzard did it just fine...

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  Eir_S

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2/17/13 7:22:03 AM#19
I'll miss it, but only a little.  And frankly, I don't think anyone at ANet ever promised a Canthan expansion, fans simply expected it.
  InFlamestwo

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2/17/13 7:42:44 AM#20
I loved the canthan expansion. This can't be true. You can't ban asian-themed content in games.

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