It's very easy to talk when you aren't affected, isn't it?.

This is what happned to me, despite arena net or any or you can argue:

I reached level 40, so I went to the norn city to see if I could buy a weapon with karma. So I checked the vendor and I realized my karma wasn't enought. So, just for curiosity, I checked the rank 2 vendor seeing the weapons were low price...

I was a bit surprised, I didn't know of such a bug and beside I suspected it to be one, I buyed the weapons related to my profession (mesmer). Before you blame me, think if you would have done the same or not...

5 mins later the server restarted, so I rechecked the vendor to confirm if it were a bug or not. As you can guess, it confirmed me it was a bug, so I wrote an email, explaining my situation in spanish. A few hours later, I was playing and got d/c with a message saying that my account have been suspended for 71 hours.

I am still waiting for an answer of my email, and before you say that I should have contacted the english support, I'll say that I buyed the game here, at Spain, and it's translated to Spanish, and I play with Spanish people on an Spanish server, so they should provide me with Spanish support...

Excuse me if my english isn't very good, but I just saw the post and had to tell my case.

Right now the game is full of bugs (auction house broken, mazz broken, guild system broken, events broken, lag everywhere....). If the game, by any of thouse bugs, give you a weapon it shouldn't and you take it without knowing it's a bug, you should be banned? Think it, because it could happen to you.

But now I think they have made me a favor, because this way I'll do other things the weekend, instead of suffering lag, disconnections in the middle of a boss, or other bizarre things. I hope that everything is fixed for when I come back (but I seriously doubt it will be done in 3 days....).

Originally posted by Infer

It's very easy to talk when you aren't affected, isn't it?.

This is what happned to me, despite arena net or any or you can argue:

I reached level 40, so I went to the norn city to see if I could buy a weapon with karma. So I checked the vendor and I realized my karma wasn't enought. So, just for curiosity, I checked the rank 2 vendor seeing the weapons were low price...

I was a bit surprised, I didn't know of such a bug and beside I suspected it to be one, I buyed the weapons related to my profession (mesmer). Before you blame me, think if you would have done the same or not...

5 mins later the server restarted, so I rechecked the vendor to confirm if it were a bug or not. As you can guess, it confirmed me it was a bug, so I wrote an email, explaining my situation in spanish. A few hours later, I was playing and got d/c with a message saying that my account have been suspended for 71 hours.

I am still waiting for an answer of my email, and before you say that I should have contacted the english support, I'll say that I buyed the game here, at Spain, and it's translated to Spanish, and I play with Spanish people on an Spanish server, so they should provide me with Spanish support...

Excuse me if my english isn't very good, but I just saw the post and had to tell my case.

Right now the game is full of bugs (auction house broken, mazz broken, guild system broken, events broken, lag everywhere....). If the game, by any of thouse bugs, give you a weapon it shouldn't and you take it without knowing it's a bug, you should be banned? Think it, because it could happen to you.

But now I think they have made me a favor, because this way I'll do other things the weekend, instead of suffering lag, disconnections in the middle of a boss, or other bizarre things. I hope that everything is fixed for when I come back (but I seriously doubt it will be done in 3 days....).

They did not ban anyone who bough under 50 times...  If it's true what you say : please post on reddit what you just said with your character name and they will tell how many times you bough.. so we can clarify that.

I did personaly bough the weapons ( 1of each) and i'm not banned

Originally posted by Infer

It's very easy to talk when you aren't affected, isn't it?.

This is what happned to me, despite arena net or any or you can argue:

I reached level 40, so I went to the norn city to see if I could buy a weapon with karma. So I checked the vendor and I realized my karma wasn't enought. So, just for curiosity, I checked the rank 2 vendor seeing the weapons were low price...

I was a bit surprised, I didn't know of such a bug and beside I suspected it to be one, I buyed the weapons related to my profession (mesmer). Before you blame me, think if you would have done the same or not...

5 mins later the server restarted, so I rechecked the vendor to confirm if it were a bug or not. As you can guess, it confirmed me it was a bug, so I wrote an email, explaining my situation in spanish. A few hours later, I was playing and got d/c with a message saying that my account have been suspended for 71 hours.

I am still waiting for an answer of my email, and before you say that I should have contacted the english support, I'll say that I buyed the game here, at Spain, and it's translated to Spanish, and I play with Spanish people on an Spanish server, so they should provide me with Spanish support...

Excuse me if my english isn't very good, but I just saw the post and had to tell my case.

Right now the game is full of bugs (auction house broken, mazz broken, guild system broken, events broken, lag everywhere....). If the game, by any of thouse bugs, give you a weapon it shouldn't and you take it without knowing it's a bug, you should be banned? Think it, because it could happen to you.

But now I think they have made me a favor, because this way I'll do other things the weekend, instead of suffering lag, disconnections in the middle of a boss, or other bizarre things. I hope that everything is fixed for when I come back (but I seriously doubt it will be done in 3 days....).

 I'm glad you got a temp ban, be thankful it's not permanent. Exploiters are always the ones who cry the loudest when they get banned, and most fo the time they lie about what they got banned for. I'm 100% sure you got banned for something you did intentionally, but you don't want to admit it to yourself or on a message board.

Originally posted by Infer

It's very easy to talk when you aren't affected, isn't it?.

This is what happned to me, despite arena net or any or you can argue:

I reached level 40, so I went to the norn city to see if I could buy a weapon with karma. So I checked the vendor and I realized my karma wasn't enought. So, just for curiosity, I checked the rank 2 vendor seeing the weapons were low price...

I was a bit surprised, I didn't know of such a bug and beside I suspected it to be one, I buyed the weapons related to my profession (mesmer). Before you blame me, think if you would have done the same or not...

5 mins later the server restarted, so I rechecked the vendor to confirm if it were a bug or not. As you can guess, it confirmed me it was a bug, so I wrote an email, explaining my situation in spanish. A few hours later, I was playing and got d/c with a message saying that my account have been suspended for 71 hours.

I am still waiting for an answer of my email, and before you say that I should have contacted the english support, I'll say that I buyed the game here, at Spain, and it's translated to Spanish, and I play with Spanish people on an Spanish server, so they should provide me with Spanish support...

Excuse me if my english isn't very good, but I just saw the post and had to tell my case.

Right now the game is full of bugs (auction house broken, mazz broken, guild system broken, events broken, lag everywhere....). If the game, by any of thouse bugs, give you a weapon it shouldn't and you take it without knowing it's a bug, you should be banned? Think it, because it could happen to you.

But now I think they have made me a favor, because this way I'll do other things the weekend, instead of suffering lag, disconnections in the middle of a boss, or other bizarre things. I hope that everything is fixed for when I come back (but I seriously doubt it will be done in 3 days....).

Wait, so now the game in general is just bad? Despite you being level 40 already?

I think you're lying.

As someone who has been playing online rpgs since MUDs in the mid/late 90s and has never once been warned/banned/asked to stop doing something by admin/rolled back etc...I know it's completely possible to just play the way you're supposed to.

As such I approve one strike and you're out.

Originally posted by Kopogero

Another great decision done to avoid this game, despite the massive hype. What a company does when it has its own problems? Bans its customers, rather than fix its issues. There are ways and means you can properly fix an exploit without anyone being harmed cuz of it, like doing a rollback to those accounts or removing the profits earned.

On top of that permaban without prior violations on your account remainds me of the old SOE days with SWG Pre-CU. But we all know how that ended, and they begged getting as many subs back in the game with the collapse after NGE.

Disagree.. It makes no difference if it's a game exploit or a real life exploit.. People MUST learn there are consequences for one's actions..  Our local grocery store found a glitch that some employees found and exploited it for personal gain.. ALL those epxloyees were FIRED immediately.. Are you suggesting they only "pay back" what they took?   Where is the punishment in that? 

I aint a cheater, but then again i rarely see exploits,  and all you screeching permabans on first offense are crazy. These are videogames and there will always be cheaters, but thats just it, THIS IS A VIDEOGAME....not boot camp. If there was an exploit and thousands of people were banned the fault lies not with the masses but with the company for not taking care of their game, lol kinda glad i havent bought GW2 yet cause i admit i might have been tempted just a little. but wow...already theyre failing at maintaining their game, Good job anet!

Edit: This thread is nothing more than a fools witch hunt, just pages of stuff like "Good Riddance" when the game lost 3000 subs already and its just begun...killing your own game.

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

I aint a cheater, but then again i rarely see exploits,  and all you screeching permabans on first offense are crazy. These are videogames and there will always be cheaters, but thats just it, THIS IS A VIDEOGAME....not boot camp. If there was an exploit and thousands of people were banned the fault lies not with the masses but with the company for not taking care of their game, lol kinda glad i havent bought GW2 yet cause i admit i might have been tempted just a little. but wow...already theyre failing at maintaining their game, Good job anet!

Edit: This thread is nothing more than a fools witch hunt, just pages of stuff like "Good Riddance" when the game lost 3000 subs already and its just begun...killing your own game.

 Yes, good job Anet!! As you can see from the posts on this thread, most players are happy with the bans. Since you don't plan on playing anyways, I'm sure GW2 will survive without you.

Originally posted by Muerte_X

So would I get banned from Target if they had, say iPods priced at $1, and I bought a crapload of them? It is in a store marked at a price, and all I did was buy the item? I do not see fault with the customer.

Idk, taking advantage of a cheap price OFFERED BY Anet on gear does not seem like a bannable offense to me. Rollback/take the gear and send these people a message saying Woops... cause it seems like thier mistake not the individuals who bought something for cheap.

The real statement should look like this.

Should I be banned from Target if I saw a price gun sitting on the counter and decided to mark the iPods down to 1.00 then proceeded to buy 1000 of them.  The Gear was that low due to an exploit it was not marked down that low by Anet.

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

I aint a cheater, but then again i rarely see exploits,  and all you screeching permabans on first offense are crazy. These are videogames and there will always be cheaters, but thats just it, THIS IS A VIDEOGAME....not boot camp. If there was an exploit and thousands of people were banned the fault lies not with the masses but with the company for not taking care of their game, lol kinda glad i havent bought GW2 yet cause i admit i might have been tempted just a little. but wow...already theyre failing at maintaining their game, Good job anet!

Edit: This thread is nothing more than a fools witch hunt, just pages of stuff like "Good Riddance" when the game lost 3000 subs already and its just begun...killing your own game.

That's bull.

As a normal playing customer, I want Anet to do something about the tools that exploit the game. That includes both fixing the actual exploit AND punishing the people abusing the exploit. You'd rather let those people get away with it? Bull.

That said, what subs? Sigh.

Kripparian had his account per banned, he first found out about it on reddit. lol.

Your account info is safe with us! But we reserve the right to post its status on an info site!

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by StarI

Greed is the main factor why companies using subscriptions don't prosecute such behaviour properly like Anet can afford now when they have no subs. I mean when some chief with $$ in his eyes listens to his employee who gives an idea to perma ban 3000 people they  do the math: 3000 people x 12€ subs = 36.000,00 EUR lost OMG and go "U MAD" and order 3 day bans.

The exploiter however goes:

1. Exploit exploit exploit omnomonom

2. gets banned for 3 days LOL WHATEVER

3. earn thousands of preeeciousssss goooooold omonomonom

4. repeat and PROFIT?!?!? Hell yeah!

Well done ANet, and please keep it up!!

Don't get all flimsy. This is the only way to make your game better.

Some or many of the banned players wont buy it again which means no gems or expansions bought.

If you let people get away with anything you get a bad reputation, as Lineage 2 have for botters and exploiters. That can cost you a lot more than a few banned players.

While I agree to some extent.. you have to think that there are players who WILL buy the game again, and thats another sale that you didn't have before...

And therein lies the problem for me.  Is a permaban really worth it?  Couldn't they ban players for a month?  Remove all the items or gold they made?   Is it necessary for a permaban?  I don't think so -- in a game with no subscription.. they could throw a long term ban without making it permanent instead of forcing players to pay for the game again -- which would put them back in the game sooner anyways.

I always hated exploits like these.... while, sure, some players went way too far buying thousands of items... it was a fault of ArenaNet.  Not at the amount of the exploit.. but if there wasn't one, nobody would have been banned... right?

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by StarI

Greed is the main factor why companies using subscriptions don't prosecute such behaviour properly like Anet can afford now when they have no subs. I mean when some chief with $$ in his eyes listens to his employee who gives an idea to perma ban 3000 people they  do the math: 3000 people x 12€ subs = 36.000,00 EUR lost OMG and go "U MAD" and order 3 day bans.

The exploiter however goes:

1. Exploit exploit exploit omnomonom

2. gets banned for 3 days LOL WHATEVER

3. earn thousands of preeeciousssss goooooold omonomonom

4. repeat and PROFIT?!?!? Hell yeah!

Well done ANet, and please keep it up!!

Don't get all flimsy. This is the only way to make your game better.

Some or many of the banned players wont buy it again which means no gems or expansions bought.

If you let people get away with anything you get a bad reputation, as Lineage 2 have for botters and exploiters. That can cost you a lot more than a few banned players.

While I agree to some extent.. you have to think that there are players who WILL buy the game again, and thats another sale that you didn't have before...

 

And therein lies the problem for me.  Is a permaban really worth it?  Couldn't they ban players for a month?  Remove all the items or gold they made?   Is it necessary for a permaban?  I don't think so -- in a game with no subscription.. they could throw a long term ban without making it permanent instead of forcing players to pay for the game again -- which would put them back in the game sooner anyways.

 

I always hated exploits like these.... while, sure, some players went way too far buying thousands of items... it was a fault of ArenaNet.  Not at the amount of the exploit.. but if there wasn't one, nobody would have been banned... right?

Hm. I look at it really simple:

If you do not exploit, you are safe. If you DO exploit, you might get banned. Look, it's not like the permabans are handed out to people accidentally doing it once or twice. We're talking about dozens upon dozens of times.

Im surprised though. After all these MMOs where exploiters and botters were pretty much ignored, someone finally steps up and kicks ass, yet people STILL complain?

Originally posted by Pouf

Originally posted by Infer

It's very easy to talk when you aren't affected, isn't it?.

This is what happned to me, despite arena net or any or you can argue:

I reached level 40, so I went to the norn city to see if I could buy a weapon with karma. So I checked the vendor and I realized my karma wasn't enought. So, just for curiosity, I checked the rank 2 vendor seeing the weapons were low price...

I was a bit surprised, I didn't know of such a bug and beside I suspected it to be one, I buyed the weapons related to my profession (mesmer). Before you blame me, think if you would have done the same or not...

5 mins later the server restarted, so I rechecked the vendor to confirm if it were a bug or not. As you can guess, it confirmed me it was a bug, so I wrote an email, explaining my situation in spanish. A few hours later, I was playing and got d/c with a message saying that my account have been suspended for 71 hours.

I am still waiting for an answer of my email, and before you say that I should have contacted the english support, I'll say that I buyed the game here, at Spain, and it's translated to Spanish, and I play with Spanish people on an Spanish server, so they should provide me with Spanish support...

Excuse me if my english isn't very good, but I just saw the post and had to tell my case.

Right now the game is full of bugs (auction house broken, mazz broken, guild system broken, events broken, lag everywhere....). If the game, by any of thouse bugs, give you a weapon it shouldn't and you take it without knowing it's a bug, you should be banned? Think it, because it could happen to you.

But now I think they have made me a favor, because this way I'll do other things the weekend, instead of suffering lag, disconnections in the middle of a boss, or other bizarre things. I hope that everything is fixed for when I come back (but I seriously doubt it will be done in 3 days....).

 

They did not ban anyone who bough under 50 times...  If it's true what you say : please post on reddit what you just said with your character name and they will tell how many times you bough.. so we can clarify that.

 

I did personaly bough the weapons ( 1of each) and i'm not banned

That reddit-thread is an amazing read really..!

Someone really thought that he was banned for naming his character "lol," so he confronted Arenanet with it, knowing they would post the reason for his ban (that was stated as the reason for the tread).

The reason he was banned was apparantly that he got reported for saying: "This isnt Africa, you dont adopt black kids."

Another dude named "FoulMouthedFrog" was banned for saying: "GET THE FUCKING CAVERN SCUTTER ENERGIES YOU FUCKASSES!" which is freaking hilarious!

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

Originally posted by SuperDonk

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

I aint a cheater, but then again i rarely see exploits,  and all you screeching permabans on first offense are crazy. These are videogames and there will always be cheaters, but thats just it, THIS IS A VIDEOGAME....not boot camp. If there was an exploit and thousands of people were banned the fault lies not with the masses but with the company for not taking care of their game, lol kinda glad i havent bought GW2 YET cause i admit i might have been tempted just a little. but wow...already theyre failing at maintaining their game, Good job anet!

Edit: This thread is nothing more than a fools witch hunt, just pages of stuff like "Good Riddance" when the game lost 3000 subs already and its just begun...killing your own game.

 Yes, good job Anet!! As you can see from the posts on this thread, most players are happy with the bans. Since you don't plan on playing anyways, I'm sure GW2 will survive without you.

(mod edit)

 Good day to you too. Hopefully you can take your own advice when/if you buy GW2 and learn from the mistakes from others.

Long thread.  Not sure if this has been covered but:

Definition: 

Exploit. Mostly used about multi-player games, an exploit can be defined as a case where a player knowingly uses a flaw in a game to gain an unfair advantage.

From Guild Wars 2 Rules of Conduct ( www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/ )

17. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars 2 and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars 2.

Not sure why this thread is so long.

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

Originally posted by SuperDonk

Snipage

 Don't expliot or cheat. You can't be this dense. And if fanboys like me upset you, why are you even reading my posts? You do know you can block don't you?

You dont upset me if anything its entertaining, obviously exploiting and cheating is wrong all i said was they are killing their game by banning so many, its Anets fault for even allowing exploits or cheats.

Simple analogy, see if you can relate yeah?

Go to ATM, withdraw 20 bucks, get 200.

Option A, withdraw a shit ton of money.

Option B, go in and tell banking institute ATM is effered up.

What's the difference from this and the exploits being banned for? 

Originally posted by Wolvards

Originally posted by Odinthedark1

Originally posted by SuperDonk

Snipage

 Don't expliot or cheat. You can't be this dense. And if fanboys like me upset you, why are you even reading my posts? You do know you can block don't you?

You dont upset me if anything its entertaining, obviously exploiting and cheating is wrong all i said was they are killing their game by banning so many, its Anets fault for even allowing exploits or cheats.

Simple analogy, see if you can relate yeah?

Go to ATM, withdraw 20 bucks, get 200.

Option A, withdraw a shit ton of money.

Option B, go in and tell banking institute ATM is effered up.

What's the difference from this and the exploits being banned for? 

Do that once and I'm not sure I'd call it exploiting. Now...repeat taking 20 bucks out of the machine, getting 200 each time in return until it's empty or your account runs out...then yeah. Sounds like what was happening was more of the latter.