Is a guild ....

 

with no/few rules, 

 

no core of established members;

no histoey in other games;

no officers or hierarchy,;

claiming to be democratic;

very little marketing;

almost no recruitment strategy beyond having a forum and make a few posts on sites like this;

 

an especially good idea / basis to build a guild on ?

 

What will happen to it .. ?

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by DrDwarf

Is a guild ....

 

with no/few rules, 

 

no core of established members;

no histoey in other games;

no officers or hierarchy,;

claiming to be democratic;

very little marketing;

almost no recruitment strategy beyond having a forum and make a few posts on sites like this;

 an especially good idea / basis to build a guild on ?

 What will happen to it .. ?

All guilds start somewhere and I've seen guilds with less going for them then what you listed above turn into very large, active guilds in other games.   At the end of the day, the success will hinge on the core of people who are starting it, how active they will be in game, and the impression they leave on others which they interact with.

Originally posted by DrDwarf

Is a guild ....

with no/few rules,

no officers or hierarchy,;

an especially good idea / basis to build a guild on ?

What will happen to it .. ?

sounds like the kind of guild i join in WOW --- to stop getting guild invites until i want to be in a real guild

 

thats one of the features i like in EQ2, autodecline GuildInvites but I'm sure other mmos have it too

Originally posted by DrDwarf

Is a guild ....

 

with no/few rules, 

 

no core of established members;

no histoey in other games;

no officers or hierarchy,;

claiming to be democratic;

very little marketing;

almost no recruitment strategy beyond having a forum and make a few posts on sites like this;

 

an especially good idea / basis to build a guild on ?

 

What will happen to it .. ?

 

 

 

I joined a new GW2 guild, no previous history, gaming or members besides a couple that co-GM it. We are already developing into a solid group despite only ever playing the stress tests in GW2 together. Its has to start somewhere.....And if you are good at building it, they will come

it doesn't really matter how you start the guild.

your guild will succeed or fail based on your ability to properly assess current situations and adapt appropriately given those circumstances always allowing the health of the guild in the longterm to outweigh any other considerations.

that is the single thing that matters.  all else is trivial.

you can run a guild democratically or like stalin.. it doesn't really matter in the long run if you're a solid leader.  just like if you're a poor leader no amount of policy will ever carry it.

you probably know if can be a good leader or not..  if so then go for it, this will work out for you so long as you stick with it and commit.

 

thats my advice, and i doubt you'll find anyone with more experience than i at this!

Me myself I have joined a few guilds like that but now adays I make my own cause I dont like 95% of the drama in most or there hardcore and want you on 40 hrs a week not my style. My guild is the most lax guild every normally we dont set time for things cause it a waste of playing time we dont use need / greed rules like most we have it set to free for all and if something drops someone can use we pas it to them if no one can we ah it or merchant it and put the funds tward the guild. We dont allow drama first time some one starts drama bye bye dont let the pixel door hit you on the way out. And biggest rule of all

 

(HAVE FUN PLAYING THE GAME THE WAY YOU WANT)

 

These are the rules we mostly play by because I hate drama / hardcore guild to many rules and not enough fun.

I'm starting my own guild.. there will be about 15 members and no more, family only.

Influence can still be gained and all the benefits are still there.. it'll just take longer to get influence to activate more bonuses. Guild stash, trove and cave will be there.

Since we can be members of more than one guild (but only represent one at a time) I see no reason why you wouldn't give it a go.

It can be fun and quite viable if at least the co-founders strongly agree that it's fun for all of them. Having some kind of core (even if informal) is inevitable and the last thing you want is dealing with unhappy/bored/frustrated core members.

You have to start somewhere really, even if there is no real structure at first, that can often emerge on itself later as certain people take the initiative.

Of course, there's a high chance that people might run off to more organized guilds if you don't start with a really solid group.

Originally posted by Vannor

I'm starting my own guild.. there will be about 15 members and no more, family only.

Influence can still be gained and all the benefits are still there.. it'll just take longer to get influence to activate more bonuses. Guild stash, trove and cave will be there.

Since we can be members of more than one guild (but only represent one at a time) I see no reason why you wouldn't give it a go.

That's cool.

However, in my experience, once people start being more active in another guild's channels and / or voice server, the likelyhood of losing them as active members for your guild increases dramatically.

Sounds like a recipe for chaos and poor community in my opinion... the kind of guilds you find in games like WoW started by some 13 year old who "kan haz guild & be leeder!!!" and who is recruiting random people in starter zones ;)

Creating a good guild will automatically require a little work, you can't just start something and just "let it go". And in my opinion, you need a core too.

My European guild is pretty relaxed and very casual, but we still have rules and an application mechanism in order to insure everybody in the guild has fun with likeminded people (you can check it out by clicking my sig).

What he is takling about is our guild. I don't know he opened the topic before or after dominating our forums with male genitalia picture and asking same questions over and over again and not accepting the anwers because he is thinking the opposite and constantly telling talking about "selling" our "product". They are still in the forums. However he banned with majority vote.

What you guys said gave me hope and courage. (Except Korrigan's maybe :) )  We are not expecting to be a big guild with domination over WvW. Our name is Midnight Gathering. I don't expect one of you guys come and join us but maybe you can come the see his maturity. Some of his best works is in members only part of our forum (for example super small male genitalia picture)  but he also made a good job on public parts. We have a topic in guild recruitment forum.

Have a nice day.

the fact you guys are even on a forum posting about this sort of stuff means you need to get your guild in check and screen better. If you really want to get quality over quanity you need to find like minded people and not worry about everyone elses opinions on the forums. If this member really posted that sort of stuff and then brought it to another forum to be a jerk then its time to ask yourself what sort of screening you need to improve on so you do not end up with tons of bad apples in the end causing drama in your guild.

Thank you. He looked normal in his application. How should we know. Here is a part of his application which describes himself.

"I'm early 40's (gulp). Live UK, played MMORPGS for over 10 years including setting up and running several largely large social guilds and making a nuisance of myself. I started with a MMORPG called Legend of Mir II LoM2), progressed to LoM III, WOW from day 1 of EU release and run through LoTRO (for about 6 hours !), Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, RIFT, SWTOR and The Secret World. I am a Recruitment Consultant (IT / TComms Industries ) by profession and I get on with most people that have a set of bollocks and a sense of humour. I am easy going but I don't mistake that for letting my team down or not doing what I say I am going to do which means i expect the same from others I am trying to achieve things in game with. I am self sufficient but like to team up too, especially if involves raising my or my teams profile, tackling content or PvP. I am highly competitive."

No.

A guild needs a set of rules to maintain structure and organization.  Otherwise it's pretty much just a pickup group of people.  These guilds never pan out in the long run.  Even casual guilds need some sort of structure and organization.

If you have no officers or hierarchy who controls the guild information tabs, guild bank and other features, and the guild itself?

If you don't have a recruitment strategy how do you plan to get members?  Making a post on a few forums generally won't attract enough players to form a guild with.

If you are democratic do you vote on every guild matter?  What happens in the case of a tie vote?  Do you vote even on trivial things?

I don't understand no core of established members at all.  Wouldn't the founding members be the core of established members?

They asked for a guild banner ..

 

I posted a micro penis cos the leader doesnt have any testosterone and 2-3 of the small membership had their tongue so far up his backside it was a sorry sight.     They were goign to be this effective in sPVP PVE and WvWvW without any organisation or members.

You ask how having no rules is going to work when someoen trashes guild chat with abuse and members start leaving, or what happens if members steal from other members or even hack their accounts etc..

You ask why do you want to join an alliance if you think any kind of participation requirement = being dictated to and you havent anyone designated as a point of contact for that alliance.

You ask what the guild leader is doing when they say they dont control/run the guild and are just an ordinary member wit the same voting rights as the others.   they stare at you blankly when you point out it doesnt matter what they say, they ultimately control the guild functions so they are in control.

You ask why they think their crappy forum is a good website and you get a blank stare, you also ask why they need a website and where that fitrs into their strategy.

You ask why it takes them 4 days to approve someoen that applied to them and what criteria they are using to decide if someoen is a good recruit and they look at you wit ha blank stare.

You ask if every single decison in the guild will be put to a poll on their forum and allowed random numberso f days before a decison is made .. eg what voice server to use .. you get met by a blank stare..

You ask why there are no officers in the guild and you are told everyone is equal. 

You ask why we are rolling on a RP server when they are not an RP guild

.......

 

 

 

Originally posted by Magnum2103

No.

A guild needs a set of rules to maintain structure and organization.  Otherwise it's pretty much just a pickup group of people.  These guilds never pan out in the long run.  Even casual guilds need some sort of structure and organization.

If you have no officers or hierarchy who controls the guild information tabs, guild bank and other features, and the guild itself?

If you don't have a recruitment strategy how do you plan to get members?  Making a post on a few forums generally won't attract enough players to form a guild with.

If you are democratic do you vote on every guild matter?  What happens in the case of a tie vote?  Do you vote even on trivial things?

I don't understand no core of established members at all.  Wouldn't the founding members be the core of established members?

They had another poll on the matter of what to do on a tied vote !  

 The "leader" spouted a page of maths on the non randomness of random numbers and I asked if Napoleon used this system whilst conquering most of Europe.

No core was simply they had the leader and a few people hed picked up .. but all members were goign to be equal with equal voting rights ... begging the question ...

Sounds like you had a bad experience.  Maybe you should update your blog with the wrongs that have been done to you?  I'm sure a blog would gain much sympathy from internet goers...

This is their recruitment thread text 

 

"Are you tired of the guilds with authoritarian system?

As you can read in the title, Midnight Gathering is an anarchist guild.

Are you tired of people who bragging about their leadership?
In Midnight Gathering, everyone is equal. We don't have any leader.

Are you tired of the censorship in guild forums?
In Midnight Gathering, we have complete freedom of speech. We don't have any moderation over forum or any other communication channel.

Are you tired of being forced into obeying rules that seems illogical to you?
In Midnight Gathering, we don't have any predetermined rules. EVERYTHING inside the guild is open to discussion and and every member have equal voting right. All decisions will be made with equal contribution of every member. All decisions have validity on a case basis. Every suggestion or complaint will be discussed individually and separate from past decisions.

Are you tired of settled authoritarian system inside a guild?
In midnight Gathering, if a leadership is required, delegation will be valid until the related event is finished or participating sub-community disbanded and leader will be determined by contributing sub-community.

If you answered yes to one or more of these questions, Midnight Gathering can be a place for you. Join us and acquire the freedom which you always deserved as an intellectual individual.

http://midnightgathering.enjin.com"

 

And on the website / forum

Because of the common practice in guilds is different from ours we want to write this guide for our new members who don't have an idea about what he/she should do in the community. These are NOT rules and you do NOT have to obey them. These are just a summary of how we generally do things around here. You will NOT be punished because of not doing the things written here. However you CAN be punished if you act annoying and most of the people thinks your annoying actions requires a punishment. ....

lol !

 

Originally posted by beleren

What he is takling about is our guild. I don't know he opened the topic before or after dominating our forums with male genitalia picture and asking same questions over and over again and not accepting the anwers because he is thinking the opposite and constantly telling talking about "selling" our "product". They are still in the forums. However he banned with majority vote.

What you guys said gave me hope and courage. (Except Korrigan's maybe :) )  We are not expecting to be a big guild with domination over WvW. Our name is Midnight Gathering. I don't expect one of you guys come and join us but maybe you can come the see his maturity. Some of his best works is in members only part of our forum (for example super small male genitalia picture)  but he also made a good job on public parts. We have a topic in guild recruitment forum.

Have a nice day.

Mmhh doesn't your title page say, I quote:

"Are you tired of the censorship in guild forums?
In Midnight Gathering, we have complete freedom of speech. We don't have any moderation over forum or any other communication channel."

How comes the OP got banned then? Or maybe it's just the proof that a guild without rules doesn't work, and you guys have rules just like every other guild except they are unwritten. How convenient by the way, you can make up rules as you see fit... a true recipe for total freedom indeed, you can add a new unwritten rule for every person you don't like... ;-)

PS: I'm not defending the OP (he would most likely have been banned in my guild too if that behavior you describe is true). I just don't believe in a "no rules" anarchy model. It's in my opinion a recipe for disaster.

It is not different than lynching by angry mob. We don't have an ionline version of it so we imitating is as a majorty vote poll. Also we didn't edit or delete his posts on the forum. He said what he wants to said. But maybe your definition is more correct. I have many things to learn still.