Originally posted by MosesZD

  Persistent world.   Continued existent of the world (persistence).   Virtual game world.

Err... GW1 was a heavily instanced world, there was nothing persistent about it except towns, which merely acted as hubs.  It was a lobby game; dozens of players could not fight in the same area.  ANet refers to the game as a Co-op RPG, and so do most people.  Not trying to start an argument, it just doesn't meet the criteria that most MMO's do.

The concepts for the two are different because they're two completely different games. Not just different, but different genres.

GW is a Co-Op RPG

GW2 is a MMORPG

 

You can't expect the same mechanics to work in both in exactly the same way. GW is designed around single groups. GW2 is designed around much greater numbers of players taking part in content. There's no way you could take GW and turn it into a full blown MMO without altering certain core aspect of the game.

I enjoyed GW1 a long time ago, but I have always hated the "click and watch your guy run up and attack stuff". It felt incredibly boring and unresponsive. I very much prefer the action based combat GW2 has over GW1.

 

I haven't had as much fun in an MMO in 10+ years as I have in GW2 even so far. So I guess I disagree with the OP. There are plenty of PvP things to compete in, and it will only get better with time. It is hard to compare an 8 year old game and all the content updates with one that isn't even released yet.

 

Give it some time, and I am sure there will be A LOT more options available.

 

I'm curious to how far the GW1 concept could go since it's very unique.  Other ames have borrowed elements (SWTOR, for example w/ the compansions you can gear up).  I'll admit, it's not my favorite system since setting up your team is actually more important that what you actually do with it.  For example, I can AFK Glint's challenge since my team does everything for me.  (That's how I paid for a good chunk of my HoM points :P).  I'm curious if we see another game follow the GW1 model.

Originally posted by tralla

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Let get this straight - you aren't implying GW1 is a "hardcore" PvP game, right? Tell me you aren't implying GW1 is a hard game that punishes the "weak" (I will refrain commenting  on the usage of the word "weark" for now...).

Tell me you aren't doing that here... please.

I would not call GW1 a hardcore PvP game no. But in comparison to what i have experienced/red in GW2, it is.

ah but you did "Sad to see such a hardcore GW1 turn in to a softcore GW2." so you can understand our confusion when you now say you wouldn't call GW1 Hardcore because you did in your original post.

Only you.

There are certainly people who loved the GW1 style of gameplay. This just isn't that game. That game could never be a persistant world MMO, which is what Anet wanted to do with this game.  That's really all there is to it. OP likes Pepsi, this is Coke.

Originally posted by tralla

Played GW1 for about 2 years, quitted for maybe 4 years ago so i dont know how gw1 looks now. Preordered GW2 and tested it for a few times and i have to say i doesnt match up at all to my gw1 experience. What i have experienced/red they have removed all the strongest parts of their first game, things like Competetive GvG, hardcore PvP (1v1,3v3,5v5,8v8,12v12,24v24 etc etc). Challenging PvE, wich i did not encouter at all in GW2 And the spectating mode.

And these dynamic events are all piss easy for some reason? And from my point of view the WvWvW system doesnt really qualify as "competetive PvP" unless you are a bigger group and will actually make a difference. The current WvWvW system is all about zerging, brainless zerging.

My point with this post is as the titel asks, only me who thinks this way?

 

If i am missing something and they actually have any of these features im missing, please do tell me so i can get my hopes up again. Sad to see such a hardcore GW1 turn in to a softcore GW2. 

Yes there is a lot of Zerg in WvW for right now, but that because it new and no ral groups have form. I mean it will take a month are two before WvW gets really fun. 

Second they have sPvp which is up to 10v10.

Third ALL pve content was scale way down.

Esp in the beg areas, did you get to a lvl 20+ zone?

When it relese get to a lvl 20+ zone and you will be saying different.

NO! not just you.. my Gran too.

I loved the PvP in GW.

I absolutely fucking hated the PvE. I found it fairly awful and dull both in gameplay, design, and story.

So can't say that I do. Not that the lore seems really stellar in this game either (actually seems fairly lame) but gameplay and design wise this game is a beast compared to GW.

Originally posted by tralla

Originally posted by wrightstuf
you, and maybe 6 other people

Sadly you are not wrong. But that is also sad for us hardcore PvPers out there. Cause noone will make a game hard anymore, because a hard game where you punish the weak will make all the worse players leave the game. And truth to be told, majority of any playerbase consists of bad players.

Technically, the majority of any playerbase consists of average players, as with a normal distribution.  I suppose if you think of yourself as being at the "skilled" end of the bell curve, you might consider the rest "bad" by comparison.

Don't be impatient. Just because you quickly glance over something and make one minute assumptions doesn't mean you full understand the complexity of the game. Just bc you run with zergs in wvwvw doesn't mean that's the way to properly play it or to win. there's enough complexity in the skill/combat/trait system as well as some added twitch gaming to make the pvp hardcore. Also, map diversity does not equal hardcore. Look at LoL, only 1 map, one of the most hardcore pvp you can find.

Moving dodging combat vs static?  GW2

MMORPG vs CORPG? GW2

WvWvW + arena vs arena?  GW2

DE's vs linear quests? GW2

Fighting beside non grouped allies vs henchmen? GW2

Jumping puzzels vs not jumping? GW2

Multiple weapon skills  vs handful of skills?  This is the only thing that is close because of different build combos, but still have to give the edge to GW2.

 

Don't know what rose coloured glasses OP is wearing but he is best suited to take them off.  GW2 soundly trounces GW1 in every aspect that matters from what I can come up with.

 

I'm sure it's not only you OP, but I can't be counted as one. GW2 is leagues above GW1 imo. I bought GW1 at release, and played until I ascended, but I simply never connected emotionally with the game. I felt no immersion. I quickly uninstalled. I then bought Factions when it launched, in hopes of finding something I missed the first time around, and I couldn't last more than a few hours in that campaign either. I just dont like the design of the game at all. i hate the private exploration zones and what not.

Not saying it was/is a bad game, just that it was/is a bad game for me.

I felt more immersion in the first 1/2 hour of GW2 than I did the entire time I played GW1.