Originally posted by Decadentia

Originally posted by dagon3

Then its pay to play then,

If at anytime in a game you have to buy something with real money to do anything in the game your paying to play it .

In some form or manner.

/Nuff said

You're arguing semantics, and not doing a good job of it. Pay to play refers to being required to pay...to play, it's quite simple really.

As for the OP, I guess it depends what is inside these chest/boxes? Though it would seem odd if they are simply cosmetic items...

Not necessarily, GW1 coveted items were always about the cosmetics.

Originally posted by Dawnstar

Originally posted by Decadentia

Originally posted by dagon3

Then its pay to play then,

If at anytime in a game you have to buy something with real money to do anything in the game your paying to play it .

In some form or manner.

/Nuff said

You're arguing semantics, and not doing a good job of it. Pay to play refers to being required to pay...to play, it's quite simple really.

As for the OP, I guess it depends what is inside these chest/boxes? Though it would seem odd if they are simply cosmetic items...

Not necessarily, GW1 coveted items were always about the cosmetics.

That's not true.  Green perfect stat weapons, gold perfect stat low req weapons, perfect modifiers, and some superior runes to name a few.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Exactly.  Take EXP boosters as an example.  People have been saying "Who cares, your level is meaningless because of the sidekicking system."  But lo and behold, Anet no longer supports sidekicking UP.  All of a sudden those EXP boosters get just a little more valuable.

When you "build a game from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" that is how you will fine tune the world and features:  with microtransactions in mind.

Hmm your example of EXP boosters depends on a couple of things.

1) That getting to 80 early suddenly gives you an advantage in PvP or PvE content (e.g. raiding progression).  That would make EXP boosters valuable.

2) That EXP boosters are required to keep up with the levelling curve (e.g. you need the 10% EXP boost to finish the level 15 content at level 15 without grinding out a level or two killing mobs). That would make EXP boosters a necessity.

If either of the above is true then yes an EXP booster would be a valuable item.  If it isn't then EXP boosters become an optional item.

The thing about EXP booster is: They aren't of much use in GW2. The game isn't about leveling like a lunatic. Look at PVP. It boosts you to max level, structure or WvW, so you can get involved and enjoy yourself.

In PVE, you can easily go back to experience lower level content, but why rush ahead? That just burns people out :\

Originally posted by Tyroki

In PVE, you can easily go back to experience lower level content, but why rush ahead? That just burns people out :\

Well normally people will rush to max level because getting there fast will give them some advantage over other players.  For example, in WoW with it's progression raiding scene getting to max level and getting into the raid level content fast will give you an advantage in your goal of finishing the content ahead of other players and proving... well I'm not sure what they are proving but it must be important.

If GW2 has nothing at max level like this then the goal of reaching max level is less important and you can move at your own pace.

Originally posted by DanitaKusor

Originally posted by Tyroki

In PVE, you can easily go back to experience lower level content, but why rush ahead? That just burns people out :\

Well normally people will rush to max level because getting there fast will give them some advantage over other players.  For example, in WoW with it's progression raiding scene getting to max level and getting into the raid level content fast will give you an advantage in your goal of finishing the content ahead of other players and proving... well I'm not sure what they are proving but it must be important.

If GW2 has nothing at max level like this then the goal of reaching max level is less important and you can move at your own pace.

Yeah, this is exacly what some ppl seems to not get at all.

There is no point to rush content in general and especially not in GW 2.

Time savers are more like pay to loose fun - at least for me.

the OP's posting history is full of flames towards GW2 cash shop.... why make another post about it? those chests dont contain pay 2 win material and keys drop in game as people already said in posts above.

Seriously, OP, if you dont like the game we respect that, but dont try this hard to succeed in trolling GW2s forums.

Spend more time having fun with a game you truly love and you will have a more pleasant gaming experience.

I think more to the point GW2 isnt P2W but its skirtling that line as close as it can.

Originally posted by DanitaKusor

Originally posted by Tyroki

In PVE, you can easily go back to experience lower level content, but why rush ahead? That just burns people out :\

Well normally people will rush to max level because getting there fast will give them some advantage over other players.  For example, in WoW with it's progression raiding scene getting to max level and getting into the raid level content fast will give you an advantage in your goal of finishing the content ahead of other players and proving... well I'm not sure what they are proving but it must be important.

If GW2 has nothing at max level like this then the goal of reaching max level is less important and you can move at your own pace.

Some will rush to max level only because they want to be first. Because they think its fun and they play all games that way. Or perhaps they are competing with friends and others that are also rushing to max level.

There will always be some players that think and behave like that in every MMO. And also in some other genres. Everything that can help them level faster will feel like a must have/must buy.

Sure others will think its pointless and silly. But players are different and you can play a game in more than one way. Even in ways that are not really intended or expected.

Originally posted by karmath

I think more to the point GW2 isnt P2W but its skirtling that line as close as it can.

I agree, I think theyre trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I would like to see how anyone can logically come to the conclusion that chests which can only be unlocked by buying keys from the cash shop isnt Pay 2 win.

 

Cuz i dont think anyone can and if they do claim its not Pay 2 win I think they are being willfully ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest.

 

So lets hear it. Defend this obvious pay 2 win scam.

First of all key or any item that is in cash shop is in game and can be obtain  say by anet

 item that dont give yoou advantage against player is not p2w ,scroll lvl up dont give you advantage  as pvp is balance and  a lvl will be match the same-it just afect pve but really not big deal  just for rush lvl up nothing more

and all item from cash shop you cna obtain by spend Karma point in game  .

PS: THIS THREADS ARE GETTING BORED AND KIDS NEVER LEARN  THO THEY DONT LISTEN PLEASE COMUNITIE STOP RESPOND FAIL OR POINTLESS THREADS  HOPE THIS WILL BE THE LAST MESSAGE)

Saying p2w is like saying the word grind.  Its a term that can has a very wide definition.

Drop rate of keys,  value of rewards,  price on a vendor,  and impact on wvw are still not known.  1 beta weekend is no where near enough to see the impact.

But it is still buying and advantage.  In my opinion this and all convience items should be dropped from the store.  Having such items creates a temptation for the developers to make the game inconvienent to sell more items.  

Originally posted by dadante666

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I would like to see how anyone can logically come to the conclusion that chests which can only be unlocked by buying keys from the cash shop isnt Pay 2 win.

 

Cuz i dont think anyone can and if they do claim its not Pay 2 win I think they are being willfully ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest.

 

So lets hear it. Defend this obvious pay 2 win scam.

First of all key or any item that is in cash shop is in game and can be obtain  say by anet

 item that dont give yoou advantage against player is not p2w ,scroll lvl up dont give you advantage  as pvp is balance and  a lvl will be match the same-it just afect pve but really not big deal  just for rush lvl up nothing more

and all item from cash shop you cna obtain by spend Karma point in game  .

PS: THIS THREADS ARE GETTING BORED AND KIDS NEVER LEARN  THO THEY DONT LISTEN PLEASE COMUNITIE STOP RESPOND FAIL OR POINTLESS THREADS  HOPE THIS WILL BE THE LAST MESSAGE)

Any boost that helps you do things faster or in any way makes you more powerful is an advantage. If its P2W or not depends on you and on how you are playing the game. Not everyone will play the game the same way you do.

You really cant expect others to play exactly like you. Or have the same opinion when we talk about things that are subjective. Things that depend on taste, playstyle and the players friends or guild. That depends on the different goals different people playing a MMO might have.

"In my opinion this and all convience items should be dropped from the store.  Having such items creates a temptation for the developers to make the game inconvienent to sell more items.  "

Yeh, so true...

This thread showcases the unfortunate immaturity of some in our gaming community.

The business model for this game is F2P; you are benefiting from millions of dollars being put in to this product after only putting in a one-time purchase of the software itself.

If the developer wants to 'skirt the line' of how convenient the purchaseable stuff is, so what? They need to make money or the game closes down. This isn't fairyland where money grows on trees so immature gamers can feel like there's justice in their dark little worlds.

Get a grip, it's a freaking chest and the only reason you're complaining is because a) you have a lot of time on your hands and b) the game isn't released yet. If it were released you'd be playing and probably wouldn't even notice that the guy who has $2 to spend because he has a job got a chest open and you didn't.

There's SO much whining about item shops on F2P and yet there's also SO much whining about P2P games... I think college education and at LEAST one economics course should be mandatory for gamers these days, otherwise we just get drowned by uneducated viewpoints.

(And, I might add, in no MMO that I have ever played - and I have played a lot - has winning depended wholely or partly on the contents of a locked chest. Guess you must be playing different MMOs...)

Originally posted by runelynx

This thread showcases the unfortunate immaturity of some in our gaming community.

The business model for this game is F2P; you are benefiting from millions of dollars being put in to this product after only putting in a one-time purchase of the software itself.

If the developer wants to 'skirt the line' of how convenient the purchaseable stuff is, so what? They need to make money or the game closes down. This isn't fairyland where money grows on trees so immature gamers can feel like there's justice in their dark little worlds.

Get a grip, it's a freaking chest and the only reason you're complaining is because a) you have a lot of time on your hands and b) the game isn't released yet. If it were released you'd be playing and probably wouldn't even notice that the guy who has $2 to spend because he has a job got a chest open and you didn't.

There's SO much whining about item shops on F2P and yet there's also SO much whining about P2P games... I think college education and at LEAST one economics course should be mandatory for gamers these days, otherwise we just get drowned by uneducated viewpoints.

If you do not think a cash shop can be run without convient items that hurt the game why are you not supporting a subscription?

I am sorry but the missed the part where it became good business to annoy people out of thier money?

Heres an idea seeing how the ones defending the cash shop dont see it as any real benefit , and the rest of us dont care for it .

Lets just banish it all together , then everyone is happy.

Problem solved. RIGHT?

A net will make money off the box sales and can release expansions like they did with guild wars 1 to keep the money rolling in.

The excuse for its free after the box is bought doesnt apply anymore as an excuse for a cash shop.

Release an expansion like they have been doing for years buy it and theres your extra income to pay for that content they made for you.

It worked in the past before we became koreanized it can work again.

This goes for all mmos out there , you guys defending cash shops is ridiculous, sit down in a chair take a deap breathe and actually think for once .

Originally posted by dagon3

Heres an idea seeing how the ones defending the cash shop dont see it as any real benefit , and the rest of us dont care for it .

Lets just banish it all together , then everyone is happy.

Problem solved. RIGHT?

A net will make money off the box sales and can release expansions like they did with guild wars 1 to keep the money rolling in.

The excuse for its free after the box is bought doesnt apply anymore as an excuse for a cash shop.

Release an expansion like they have been doing for years buy it and theres your extra income to pay for that content they made for you.

It worked in the past before we became koreanized it can work again.

 

Or you could just not use the cash shop. Then you're supporting your model and everyone else can support a company that actually appears to be making a great game.

Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Originally posted by dagon3

Heres an idea seeing how the ones defending the cash shop dont see it as any real benefit , and the rest of us dont care for it .

Lets just banish it all together , then everyone is happy.

Problem solved. RIGHT?

A net will make money off the box sales and can release expansions like they did with guild wars 1 to keep the money rolling in.

The excuse for its free after the box is bought doesnt apply anymore as an excuse for a cash shop.

Release an expansion like they have been doing for years buy it and theres your extra income to pay for that content they made for you.

It worked in the past before we became koreanized it can work again.

 

Or you could just not use the cash shop. Then you're supporting your model and everyone else can support a company that actually appears to be making a great game.

Or you can buy the box and you just did support the game ?

If people dont understand that paying 60 bucks for a box is not supporting a game and we need a cash shop to keep it running , instead of just paying for an expansion , i feel bad for this genre . This free to play crap has been forced down your throats and you just live with it and actually enjoy it , What a sad sad day. Funny how they can warp your minds so easily in to believing its free lol. YOU JUST PAID 60 BUCKS if that is free then send me 60 bucks also ... thanks, what a joke...

Originally posted by dagon3

Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Originally posted by dagon3

Heres an idea seeing how the ones defending the cash shop dont see it as any real benefit , and the rest of us dont care for it .

Lets just banish it all together , then everyone is happy.

Problem solved. RIGHT?

A net will make money off the box sales and can release expansions like they did with guild wars 1 to keep the money rolling in.

The excuse for its free after the box is bought doesnt apply anymore as an excuse for a cash shop.

Release an expansion like they have been doing for years buy it and theres your extra income to pay for that content they made for you.

It worked in the past before we became koreanized it can work again.

 

Or you could just not use the cash shop. Then you're supporting your model and everyone else can support a company that actually appears to be making a great game.

Or you can buy the box and you just did support the game ?

ding ding we have a winner!

Nice reading comprehension, Breezy! Here's a cookie.

People that want to support ArenaNet, the company that makes the game we're talking about, will be inclined to do so because that money goes to create further content  by utilizing the cash shop. You're not being forced to do so. There's no law that you have to use it. But you can if you want to. I used the Cash Shop in GW1 to buy (what I felt were) cool skins and extra storage slots. I would have no qualms with doing so in GW2 because I know that this money goes to support ANet's staff, their design team and future content in lieu of a standardized subscription model.