Originally posted by komobo

Originally posted by evilastro

Haha nice work OP, I lol'ed.

As a scientist, I just laugh at people trying to use Xfire as an indicator of overall population.

and as a theoretical scientist, i just laugh at people who dismiss Xfire data as having no statistical relevance whatsoever.

I have no qualifications to legitimize my opinion, but I agree. 

I can't see how x-fire data doesn't represent a signfifcantly sized random sampling. It also has the advantage of covering multiple servers to show a game-wide trend, as opposed to server population data that would only represent one single server at a time. 

The most accurate answer would come from having complete data for each server, and graphing them all to see an overall trend. But that's not really an option. So why not use x-fire as a sample data set to cover multiple servers instead? It seems like the closest alternative. 

Hahahah

you sir has won 10 internets for positive trolling :)

it's true that there are no players in Guild Wars 2. The conclusion OP drew is idiotic but the statements he based it on is correct.

Originally posted by Crake_1

I can't see how x-fire data doesn't represent a signfifcantly sized random sampling.

 

People have been using Xfire to determine SWTOR success. The max number of players logged using both Xfire AND SWTOR is about 4900. Thats less than 0.3% of the reported 1.7 million players. Do you see where I am going with this?

Throw in the innate data bias from a non-random sample and you have completely useless data.

According to XFire Call of Duty 2 was played twice as many hours as SWTOR today. The reason XFire statistics are not reliable is quite simple. If you want unbiased statistics you need a large amount of random samples.

XFire has currently 175k Users online, which is a good number but are those random people? No because XFire is more known to a certain type of gamers, the example i gave at the beginning of my post might indicate that XFire is very popular in the Call of Duty 2 Community but not in the SWTOR community.

i couldn't even get into the game today, how dumb of them to have the game not available on a sunday.

Yup, the game is dead. I mean they can't even fill one server.

Fail ANet, fail.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by komobo

Originally posted by evilastro

Haha nice work OP, I lol'ed.

As a scientist, I just laugh at people trying to use Xfire as an indicator of overall population.

and as a theoretical scientist, i just laugh at people who dismiss Xfire data as having no statistical relevance whatsoever.

Assuming that the users of Xfire, a completely optional and niche third party application, are representative of the total population of any game is silly, as a scientist you should know that.

If you had used a random population you can determine a correlation, but Xfire is not random, and the very nature of Xfire means that the data is biased and therefore irrelevant.

However, that's not exactly what the more reasonable people are doing. 

You need to start thinking a bit more. We cannot dismiss any facts about how well Xfire has represented MMORPG populations in the past. That is information that can be used to analyize how well the Xfire population represents the total population in a game.

The better Xfire has been proven to represent the MMORPGs in the past, the more reason there is to think that it will continue to do so.  If it suddenly dramatically changes, that needs to be explained, like perhaps a generation shift.

Now, I don't know how well Xfire has represented the MMORPGs in the past; however, there seems to be people that think they do know and if they are convinced that Xfire has represented MMORPGs well in the past, then it is fair for them to assume it will continue to do so.

I'll have to admit.  This thread was funny.  Good job OP.

Originally posted by observer

I'll have to admit.  This thread was funny.  Good job OP.

Thanks! I try to be amusing with my round-about diatribes.

I sincerely hope this game is half as good as it's being marketed. For the first time in quite a while, I'm considering building a new rig specifically for this game.

But I'm not going to go overboard with how smitten I am, because I, conservatively, only plan on purchasing two collectors editions and a digital copy.  That will surely teach ArenaNet what's what if they put out a crappy product.

It'll teach them right in their stupid, giant yachts.

(Edited to add: I'm not being sarcastic about buying two collectors editions. After hearing how much a factory-sealed collectors edition of Vanilla WoW was recently selling for up until about Cataclysm, I'm buying two as an investment just in case the game shifts the paradigm correctly.)

Originally posted by Thomson1

I don't know one person who uses Xfire, better put a fork in it

This exactly  ^ ^

Originally posted by komobo

Originally posted by evilastro

Haha nice work OP, I lol'ed.

As a scientist, I just laugh at people trying to use Xfire as an indicator of overall population.

and as a theoretical scientist, i just laugh at people who dismiss Xfire data as having no statistical relevance whatsoever.

How can any sample be representative of a populace if you have no idea how exactly your sample size fits into that overall populace?

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by komobo

Originally posted by evilastro

Haha nice work OP, I lol'ed.

As a scientist, I just laugh at people trying to use Xfire as an indicator of overall population.

and as a theoretical scientist, i just laugh at people who dismiss Xfire data as having no statistical relevance whatsoever.

Assuming that the users of Xfire, a completely optional and niche third party application, are representative of the total population of any game is silly, as a scientist you should know that.

If you had used a random population you can determine a correlation, but Xfire is not random, and the very nature of Xfire means that the data is biased and therefore irrelevant.

 

However, that's not exactly what the more reasonable people are doing. 

 

You need to start thinking a bit more. We cannot dismiss any facts about how well Xfire has represented MMORPG populations in the past. That is information that can be used to analyize how well the Xfire population represents the total population in a game.

The better Xfire has been proven to represent the MMORPGs in the past, the more reason there is to think that it will continue to do so.  If it suddenly dramatically changes, that needs to be explained, like perhaps a generation shift.

Now, I don't know how well Xfire has represented the MMORPGs in the past; however, there seems to be people that think they do know and if they are convinced that Xfire has represented MMORPGs well in the past, then it is fair for them to assume it will continue to do so.

 

 

 

I am thinking quite clearly. Anyone claiming that there is a correlation between Xfire statistics and overall population are misrepresenting the available data. What a dip in Xfire users shows is:

1) People are not using Xfire and SWTOR concurrently.

And thats it.

There is nothing else you can determine from that data. It would be like me looking at how many people 'checked in' to a local railway station on Facebook and then claiming that because less people 'checked in' on a certain week that the use of the railway had declined. Its simply misrepresenting the data.

There are numerous reasons for why players might not be using the two applications concurrently, maybe because they dont feel that Xfire is a necessary 3rd party application or perhaps they dont want to be disturbed while playing SWTOR anymore. Also it provides absolutely no data on new players joining SWTOR that do not use Xfire.

Anyone with a scientific background should be able to tell that Xfire data is rubbish for determining total game population, especially considering that the sub-population is heavily biased and very small comparitive to the total population.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by komobo

Originally posted by evilastro

Haha nice work OP, I lol'ed.

As a scientist, I just laugh at people trying to use Xfire as an indicator of overall population.

and as a theoretical scientist, i just laugh at people who dismiss Xfire data as having no statistical relevance whatsoever.

Assuming that the users of Xfire, a completely optional and niche third party application, are representative of the total population of any game is silly, as a scientist you should know that.

If you had used a random population you can determine a correlation, but Xfire is not random, and the very nature of Xfire means that the data is biased and therefore irrelevant.

 

However, that's not exactly what the more reasonable people are doing. 

 

You need to start thinking a bit more. We cannot dismiss any facts about how well Xfire has represented MMORPG populations in the past. That is information that can be used to analyize how well the Xfire population represents the total population in a game.

The better Xfire has been proven to represent the MMORPGs in the past, the more reason there is to think that it will continue to do so.  If it suddenly dramatically changes, that needs to be explained, like perhaps a generation shift.

Now, I don't know how well Xfire has represented the MMORPGs in the past; however, there seems to be people that think they do know and if they are convinced that Xfire has represented MMORPGs well in the past, then it is fair for them to assume it will continue to do so.

 

 

 

I am thinking quite clearly. Anyone claiming that there is a correlation between Xfire statistics and overall population are misrepresenting the available data. What a dip in Xfire users shows is:

1) People are not using Xfire and SWTOR concurrently.

And thats it.

There is nothing else you can determine from that data. It would be like me looking at how many people 'checked in' to a local railway station on Facebook and then claiming that because less people 'checked in' on a certain week that the use of the railway had declined. Its simply misrepresenting the data.

There are numerous reasons for why players might not be using the two applications concurrently, maybe because they dont feel that Xfire is a necessary 3rd party application or perhaps they dont want to be disturbed while playing SWTOR anymore. Also it provides absolutely no data on new players joining SWTOR that do not use Xfire.

Anyone with a scientific background should be able to tell that Xfire data is rubbish for determining total game population, especially considering that the sub-population is heavily biased and very small comparitive to the total population.

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

What has this got to do with SWTOR?

Plenty, actually. I created this thread as an homage and a compliment to both this excellent thread and as back-handed praise to Guild Wars 2. 

Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

What has this got to do with SWTOR?

 

Plenty, actually. I created this thread as an homage and a compliment to both this excellent thread and as back-handed praise to Guild Wars 2. 

Originally posted by RefMinor

What has this got to do with SWTOR?

It was just the latest game that the statistics retards tried to judge the total population via Xfire.

Haha wild defence of SWTOR. I dont even play it, I just hate to see people making terrible correlations by using bad statistics in the same way I also hate current affairs shows doing paid advertisements where they say that 'x brand' conclusively cleans better because they interviewed 3 people who said that it did.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Kakkzooka

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

What has this got to do with SWTOR?

 

Plenty, actually. I created this thread as an homage and a compliment to both this excellent thread and as back-handed praise to Guild Wars 2. 

 

I know but I liked how the guy I replied to flew into a wild defence of SWTOR on a GW2 thread

As did I.