Originally posted by Myria

This ludicrous religion that's grown up around Anet and GW2 is getting downright scary.

Wait until someone has actually played the game and has clue one how it will really be -- rather than what Devs say, which has been shown over and over and over to be 99.99% BS? Whatever for? We have nerdvana right here, and here's why -- even though I've never played the game and have no real idea what will turn out to be "innovation" (whatever idiotic definition one cares to apply) and what will turn out to be just another babble mouthed piece of marketing hype.

Ah, but they're Anet, the most holy of holy! Believe, or be cast out for your sins!

Tao my arse.

When you start describing a video game you've never even played -- or, for that matter, any video game at all, but especially one you've never even played -- in religious terms, it's seriously time to re-evaluate your life.

Cynical much?

Very nice write up friend. You did a good job of trying to remain as neutral as possible.

I for one am very excited about this game... I will miss being able to gang newbz.... its shameless fun. But it's a small sacrifice if the PvP is anywhere near as good and competitive as it was in GW1

Originally posted by illorion

Very nice write up friend. You did a good job of trying to remain as neutral as possible.

I for one am very excited about this game... I will miss being able to gang newbz.... its shameless fun. But it's a small sacrifice if the PvP is anywhere near as good and competitive as it was in GW1

WvWvW is an alternative but I beleive it's scaled to were you still can't 1 shot someon 20 levels than and what not.

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by illorion

Very nice write up friend. You did a good job of trying to remain as neutral as possible.

I for one am very excited about this game... I will miss being able to gang newbz.... its shameless fun. But it's a small sacrifice if the PvP is anywhere near as good and competitive as it was in GW1

WvWvW is an alternative but I beleive it's scaled to were you still can't 1 shot someon 20 levels than and what not.

Yeah im stoked for it... i mean they came right out and said that there would not be world pvp so its not like I was expecting it. Ill just save that nosatlgia for the good ol days of camping southshore with my best friend lol. 

DAoC style battles rock my socks though so yeah... bring it on

Oh my word, Meowhead, you are awesome. I think anytime I'm moved to post on these forums in the future, I will simply link to and quote this post's relevant bits instead.

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Oh my word, Meowhead, you are awesome. I think anytime I'm moved to post on these forums in the future, I will simply link to and quote this post's relevant bits instead.

I think you and I share the same basic belief that it's the broad philisophical strokes that Arenanet paints with that really makes GW2 worth looking at.

I think it's one of the reason that GW2 has such... exceedingly zealous fans at time.  It's because it specifically has design philosophies that other MMORPGs tend not to.  Sort of like why Darkfall had such enthusiastic fans... it catered to a specific design some people wanted in their MMORPG. :)  I also think that's why some people don't understand the point to GW2 at =all=, because those design features are non-issues to them.  It's like a one armed person wondering what's the big deal about this new 'buy two gloves at once' fad going on.  :)

I like your posts though!  They're more personal.  You explain specifically why features appeal to YOU.  Mine is sort of a vague fuzzy overview. :)

Originally posted by illorion

Very nice write up friend. You did a good job of trying to remain as neutral as possible.

I tried to be reasonable, by pointing out that not everybody will like the sorts of things that I (and may others) do, but maybe I was a bit TOO reasonable.  If I had replaced 'your mileage may vary' with 'and this applies to you too and you just don't know it', probably could have gotten a whole lot more (angry) responses, and flooded this thread with hundreds of posts by now. ;)

Good OP Meowhead...

Hmmm, I think Slayers "Raining blood" will make fine combat music... Or Rammsteins "Ich will". :D

I understand all of the concepts of this game and I can see why people are gonna love the shit out of it. I'm glad this game is coming out and I think it will be a great new addition to the MMO scene. As a fan of the genre, I will buy it on principle. Knowing me, I will find something I enjoy about GW2 and have a good time. But for some reason, right now, nothing about this game is really grabbing me. I look forward to playing it though and appreciate all the hard work that Anet is putting into this game.

Originally posted by Loke666

Good OP Meowhead...

Hmmm, I think Slayers "Raining blood" will make fine combat music... Or Rammsteins "Ich will". :D

Lol Loke how did I know that you were a Metalhead? haha

 

OP great job, you eloquently put my thoughts on paper. Ok, maybe not my thoughts, but the more intelligent coherent versions. haha. Very good job, I 100% agree. The things that are coming have been due to this genre for years.

Originally posted by Myria

This ludicrous religion that's grown up around Anet and GW2 is getting downright scary.

Wait until someone has actually played the game and has clue one how it will really be -- rather than what Devs say, which has been shown over and over and over to be 99.99% BS? Whatever for? We have nerdvana right here, and here's why -- even though I've never played the game and have no real idea what will turn out to be "innovation" (whatever idiotic definition one cares to apply) and what will turn out to be just another babble mouthed piece of marketing hype.

Ah, but they're Anet, the most holy of holy! Believe, or be cast out for your sins!

Tao my arse.

When you start describing a video game you've never even played -- or, for that matter, any video game at all, but especially one you've never even played -- in religious terms, it's seriously time to re-evaluate your life.

LOL..Tao = I don't like to pay a sub. I hope this game is the 2nd coming for all of you Occupy MMORPG'ers - I really do.

+1 for nice write up. Lots of info and well thought out post.

+2 for the Priapism poster, for the nice laugh.

For others like me, i am a "Trust but verify" type guy too:) I have high hopes that i will have fun here. But i will wait till i get my hands on it before i get too excited. Just part of being a customer in MMO's anymore.

Originally posted by echolynfan

LOL..Tao = I don't like to pay a sub. I hope this game is the 2nd coming for all of you Occupy MMORPG'ers - I really do.

Thank you, I appreciate you reading further than Myria did.

Granted, you apparently only read half of point 1, but that's still more. :)

Also, I'm fascinated.  I haven't been keeping up on politics well enough apparently, because I didn't realize that the whole Occupy platform was based off of 'We prefer to buy over rent' and 'We would like it if companies of their own free will decided to restructure their prices into a different format, and we would show our appreciation with financial support'.

I really thought it had more to do with socialism, rather than alternative non-subsidized pricing methods on MMORPGs.

I might be crazy!  You probably read a lot more politics than I do, since you save so much time not reading on the forums. :)

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Originally posted by Meowhead

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Originally posted by echolynfan

LOL..Tao = I don't like to pay a sub. I hope this game is the 2nd coming for all of you Occupy MMORPG'ers - I really do.

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Thank you, I appreciate you reading further than Myria did.
Granted, you apparently only read half of point 1, but that's still more. :)
Also, I'm fascinated.  I haven't been keeping up on politics well enough apparently, because I didn't realize that the whole Occupy platform was based off of 'We prefer to buy over rent' and 'We would like it if companies of their own free will decided to restructure their prices into a different format, and we would show our appreciation with financial support'.
I really thought it had more to do with socialism, rather than alternative non-subsidized pricing methods on MMORPGs.
I might be crazy!  You probably read a lot more politics than I do, since you save so much time not reading on the forums. :)

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haha well said! :) I think he may have been poking fun at the Tao of a video game company. Which Im sure you did for fun anyway.

Great well-presented, informative post MH :)

 

Really good post, great read Meowhead, thank you.

Looking at Anet's philosophy and work practices makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside too :) (It also makes me think I need to write that piece on hype and GW2 soon)

Another player of the demo here, the combat and pacing are smooth, it lives up to the claims made of it. The game has a fluid feeling in both combat and in the way DEs make the world feel, no quest markers to interrupt the fun of exploring or to stop you getting involved in whatever appeals to you in the way it appeals to you, it all flows in a way that makes the world feel alive with you firmly in it, which also makes it very accessible.

My short experience with the game has me firmly in the camp of believing Anet are walking the walk and bringing something fresh to the table.

Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Meowhead

Nah, part of the point to this post was to show that there IS innovation, if not in the small ways, in big, overarching, IMPORTANT ways.  Whole philisophical shifts in MMORPG design.

Also 'improvement' suggests bettter (It's only better for some people), and 'iteration' is completely meaningless.  'How is this an iteration' is a ridiculous statement. ;) 

Iteration is anything but meaningless, especially in game design. Some of the best games out there come from developers picking up something another developer tried before, but didn't get quite right, and iterating on it until it becomes truly great. I'm not a fan of posting dictionary entries to make an argument, I trust you know where to find one should you need it.

The only thing is none of this is iteration.

Iteration from MW:

" 1 a : a procedure in which repetition of a sequence of operations yields results successively closer to a desired result "

Thats the closest definition that even hints at improvement.

The topics the OP addresses here range from rather to VASTY different from the current standard in triple A mmos.

Thus iteration is a inccorect term. As the steps are not being repeated. For the most part Rift and Swtor did a good deal of iteration.

 

Now to say any of this is innovative maybe a mistake. IF it sucks no one / very few will copy it and thus not very innovative (implies improvement)  But all these are very Different with the purpose of real innovation. Of which look great to me.

This is simply amazing.

They won't, but everyone who is curious or concerned about or blindly hating on Arenanet or Guild Wars 2 should read this.

Read it, people; read, and understand.

And if you claim no one has played it, you obviously don't follow the game closely enough to be levying any criticisms against it. I am okay if you don't like what is being done, but it is being done; don't tell me it isn't, because I know that it is.

I vote sticky. 

I didn't know about the custom context-sensitive soundtrack. That's beyond awesome. iTunes will be so happy for this.

 

Originally posted by Leodious

This is simply amazing.

They won't, but everyone who is curious or concerned about or blindly hating on Arenanet or Guild Wars 2 should read this.

Read it, people; read, and understand.

And if you claim no one has played it, you obviously don't follow the game closely enough to be levying any criticisms against it. I am okay if you don't like what is being done, but it is being done; don't tell me it isn't, because I know that it is.

 

Espescially the 2nd part, understand it.... Thats what they should do.... Everyone thats been around long enough recognises what GW2is doing, and for those that not yet do, this sums it up so anyone can virtualise inside his head what the game will look like and play like. I played some PvE and PvP at Gamescon and it was incredibly fun.