My personal feeling toward Lin2 and EQ2 is that they look like the exact same game.

Here is a list of reasons why I think that look like the same game.

EQ2 has 16 races that you can choose from.  Lin 2 has 5, and they are all the same ones that are in EQ2.

It seems where Lin 2 lacks the the races they make up in the classes.

Lin 2 Classes/Skills

http://l2.orphus.com/skills.php

EQ 2 Classes

http://www.eqii.com/libclasses.php

This part I think scares me the most.  The games grapics also on both game looks similar.  The Dark Elves look almost the same.

EQ2 Dark Elf

http://www.eqii.com/phpbb/modules.php?set_albumName=station010604screens&id=Dark_Elf_Attitude&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

Lin 2 Dark Elf

http://lineage.warcry.com/scripts/images/view_image.phtml?id=3292&site=10

So the grapics and the skill trees look very much like the same game to me personally.

So what's so special about Lin 2 that I would want to pick over EQ 2 (right now being a previous EQ player I want EQ 2 more)?

If you think that I'm totally wrong I would like to hear it I'm open to criticism.

Hey Chrisles,

They may both be very alike in terms of what is in the world but just like a debate I was in two days ago about Ever Quest and its keyboard interface for the game... I for one can't stand the controls for EQ and as many times as I have tried to get into the game I just don't like it. Now on games like UO and Shadowbane I was pulled in almost instantly because I love the point and click interface with and birds eye view and with Shadowbane you could also rotate the perspective around your character and I loved that type of interface.

From what I have seen from the in-game movies of L2 and from my post of the controls of L2 it sounds like L2 will be very similar to Shadowbane for controls. My guess is that EQ2 will host the same controls that EQ does... though I do not know this to be fact...

If this is the case then it simply goes to the debate I had a few days ago, what type of interface is your preference. I can't stand EQ's interface and I've tried to like it, my buddy was annoyed to no end with the constant clicking of Shadowbane.

Coming from the games of Diablo and Buldars Gate and Dungeon Siege toped off with RTS's like Warcraft and Starcraft and Dungeon Keeper I have grown to love point and click games and would love to play EQ or EQ2 if they were that way... but EQ is not that way so I would guess EQ2 won't be either and that would/does push my interest to L2.

I guess for me I see it like two people liking the same car, one wants it as an automatic and the other wants their stick shift. If the games turn out to be almost identical in the terms of the world and what's in it, I would choose L2 because of control preference.

Those are my views... seen through a broken glass.
-Raptor

Oh and does EQ2 have the PvP aspect like the siege battles and such, like L2? If not that would be a giant difference as well.

Those are my views... seen through a broken glass.
-Raptor

EQ has almost no PvP because people (in my personal view) are afraid of the XP loss, there are only a select few places where PvP can take place.

EQ does have whole PvP servers but I've never played on them.

I do like point and click, I do like EQ (using both) and FFXI is okay (you cannot use the mouse for anything.... or I don't use the mouse for anything).

Ok, I loved EQ and it is by far my favorite game so far.  That being said I cant even begin to comprehend how you can think Lineage II is anything like EQ2 at all.

Graphically EQ2 looks like crap and doesn't compare to Lineage II.  Though EQ2 has advanced bump mapping and such there is a complete lack of artistry or style in EQs models where there is a very definite style to the Lineage II models.

Lineage II has massive pledge wars and castle sieges, EQ2 has neither.

Lineage II supports both solo and group play, EQ1 and EQ2 are all about grouping.

The class structures are completely different in almost everyway possible.

Though some of the races in Lineage II are on the surface (mostly in name) the same as some of the EQ2 races, they are very different in story, look, style, and play.  Also you can play as Orcs in Lineage II which are not an EQ playable race.

I am sure both games have promise but they are very very different games.

Well, I read the links that Chrisles had imbedded in her post and she's right, from what she has read the two games look like they were designed by people sitting a cubical apart over hearing each others conversations and making only minor changes.

From the links you have in your post both EQ2 and L2 do follow a very close class system. What I believe Misti is saying is that only by name are they similar, L2 has the Dark Avenger and the Paladin where EQ2 has the Shadowknight and the Paladin for example, in any fantasy game it would be really hard to put a big difference between a Paladin from one game to the other, so I see where your question comes from.

Just like trying to separate Paladins so that one game is really unique from the other, it would be hard to separate elves too. They have pointy ears and are skinny... not a whole lot more beyond that, so I also see your point there. Although I haven't played the L2 or EQ2 beta it would be pretty safe to assume Misti's point in that besides superficial features like there name and polygon count, the races will most likely have a distinct feel of playability between the two games.

The problem is that no matter how different they are or how similar they are it's going to come down to personal preference. Both games are going to draw different crowds, like myself, I have a bias opinion because I can't seem to get into EQ for all the times I have tried, so I will play L2 once the damn beta opens in the USA. L2 could very well suck and upset me that I was excited for nothing and then I might try EQ2 and fall in love with it.

Basically besides the main differences being full PvP (wars and sieges being in L2 not EQ2) and the User Interface being different, I don't recommend discriminating against either games. If you feel you might like L2 (or your boyfriend might like it) then you/he should try it and if you/he love EQ1 then you/he most likely would enjoy EQ2 and should try it too.

Now for my discriminating opinion, I have a strange feeling EQ2 will do to EQ1 what Asheron's Call 2 did to Asheron's Call 1... Looked a lot better... but man the game just really really sucked compared to the first one. So I'll be playing L2. I am lucky in the fact that the million times I've tried EQ1 is due to the ton of friends I have playing it that always are trying to get me into the game, so when EQ2 comes out I'm sure that at least half if not all of them will flock to try it and while I am trying L2 I'll have access to try EQ2 as well.

Ok, my fingers hurt from typing...

Those are my views... seen through a broken glass.
-Raptor

That PvP aspect is huge.  That adds so much more to a game.  You can still go kill those creatures all you want if your not into PvP action.  But you must be leary that a creature that is similiar to you (another person), may come up behind you and kill you.

Another game you all should check out, Dark and Light.  The whole game is on one server, so everyone plays together.  Much better way to play the game, from my perspective.  It also comes out Feb. 1st. 

All these MMORPG's in this same genre are going to be quite similiar, so it ALL depends on what you want to do.  Kill innocent creatures all day long.  Or set up to rule a kingdom, or plain out dominate the world.  Also, the setup is a huge factor.  I much prefer the point and click play compared to keyboard punching.

Anyways, check out Dark and Light here....and don't forget to check out the forums from here!

http://www.darkandlight.com/

Is dark and Light point and click too?

Those are my views... seen through a broken glass.
-Raptor

EQ2=no unconsentual PvP

L2=lots of unconsentual PvP

L2>EQ2 'nough said.

Just to reply on the PvP aspect of EQ, There is no penalty for dying in PvP in EQ. The only penalty is having to locate your corpse... well thats how it is on the nonpvp servers. On the PvP servers its all out unconsentual pvp with exp and item/gold loss...

On the nonpvp servers you can set it to be unconsentual IF your guild is at war with another guild... then any member of the oppsoing guild can attack you at any time... this only lasts for acouple days though...

Im personally hyped up about both games, they will both offer alot of original ideas and gameplay mechanics. Lineage 2 looks to be focusing on player combat alot while EQ2 will have the massive raids on mobs like EQ1 did. I love raiding so thats a draw for me... but seiging sounds very fun :)