the game is fair to about level 50 then leveling slow down ,yes i baught item in store but it is slow!but i ainnt replying to this thread about that!

sadly this game has the same issue it has always had!gameguard!i am not against game protection all have it ,yes even wow!

but an amateurish solution like gameguard hell no!if you use say wasd too fast!gameguard prevent you !if you use spam skill too quick ,gameguard prevent you .you move too long in one direction and turn around and go the other way another while ,gameguard wont recall how you were positioned and will put you to last known position!i am all for understanding etc!but this clearly is interntional!the only reason gameguard act like this is because gameguard is sending said data live to korea!and waiting for reply!are they kidding me!why not senf the gameguard data to usa server dam it,it doesnt make sense!

i gave them 40$ to buy stuff!and it wasnt worth the trouble!wow is 10 time this game is !some will say use point and clic!it doesnt make a difference if you are too fast gameguard prevent you !this is called cheating,the only difference is its at the ncsoft end !

i wont play aion or guild wars 2 either!ncsoft had almost 10 years to fix this !10 YEARS!

i am done with this !i get out spend my hard hearned money on swtor !full of problem i go l2 again issue that should have been fixed years ago , i dont say boot gameguard!i say :FIND AND FIX THE ISSUE !this isnt hard gees,just send gameguard on ncsoft server use the copy outside of korea get and connect locally in korea but with gameguard sending info to usa you ll see right away what the issue is gees!

i ll go back to wow! at least i know gameplay is smooth!

Originally posted by Majinash

Originally posted by Fly666monkey

The first thing I noticed was how insanely limited character customization was. 8 hairstlyes, 3 faces, 4 hair colors, no sliders, and NO SKIN TONE OPTIONS. The world of lineage 2 is apparently as ethnically diverse as Utah.

Credit where it is due sir.  2 different types of elves, thats ethnically diverse.

 

Also, why is there a first impressions post on a game that is like.. 8-9 years old?

 

Sonny, in my day we had to grind for 2+ weeks just to get to level 20, and we didn't have good wiki's for the game, so your class quest could take even longer if you couldn't find the 1 NPC you were looking for.  Let alone your 2nd class change which was actually 3 quests, which depending on your class could take days (and in some cases, be completely worth it).

 

This is an old game, based around old ideals.  I suggest you jump ship if you don't like it.  They may have made it 10x eaiser, but it's still an old time PvP based korean grinder, and it doesn't try to be anything else.

I 100% agree with you i played L2 for the better part of 4 and a half years and had 4 paid subs so i could multi box. The game didn't hand feed you and the player made politics was what made this game a true wonder. Though like anything it finally gets old and you look for something new.

Only problem is that all the new poop that has been released so far can't compare. They claim to be MMO's, but most seem to be single player co-op's.

Would I go back to L2; not in a heart beat first off the L2 devs are now Blue Hole studios and secondly as i said played from release for 4 and a half years.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

the game is fair to about level 50 then leveling slow down ,yes i baught item in store but it is slow!but i ainnt replying to this thread about that!

sadly this game has the same issue it has always had!gameguard!i am not against game protection all have it ,yes even wow!

but an amateurish solution like gameguard hell no!if you use say wasd too fast!gameguard prevent you !if you use spam skill too quick ,gameguard prevent you .you move too long in one direction and turn around and go the other way another while ,gameguard wont recall how you were positioned and will put you to last known position!i am all for understanding etc!but this clearly is interntional!the only reason gameguard act like this is because gameguard is sending said data live to korea!and waiting for reply!are they kidding me!why not senf the gameguard data to usa server dam it,it doesnt make sense!

i gave them 40$ to buy stuff!and it wasnt worth the trouble!wow is 10 time this game is !some will say use point and clic!it doesnt make a difference if you are too fast gameguard prevent you !this is called cheating,the only difference is its at the ncsoft end !

i wont play aion or guild wars 2 either!ncsoft had almost 10 years to fix this !10 YEARS!

i am done with this !i get out spend my hard hearned money on swtor !full of problem i go l2 again issue that should have been fixed years ago , i dont say boot gameguard!i say :FIND AND FIX THE ISSUE !this isnt hard gees,just send gameguard on ncsoft server use the copy outside of korea get and connect locally in korea but with gameguard sending info to usa you ll see right away what the issue is gees!

i ll go back to wow! at least i know gameplay is smooth!

True the game played better before game gurad was implemented into it.

Originally posted by Fly666monkey

So, having quit CoH a month back, and wanting to get into another MMO whilst waiting for Guild Wars 2, I deceided "what the heck" and downloaded Lineage 2.

Having read the rest of the post, this part strikes me as funny from the get-go. You decided to try the game on a "what the heck" whim, and yet you let it anger you to such a degree? Interesting. Your post comes across more like you had high hopes and came away betrayed and dismayed.

And anyway, why would something that you can simply quit out of, uninstall and never log into again, without spending a dime to do so anger you? You tried it. You didn't like it. You uninstalled it. I'm sure it's not the first time. 

After waiting for the 6 GB intstall to finish, I booted the game up, adjusted my settings, and logged in.

6 gigs is pretty moderate for a game these days, MMO or otherwise. Not sure if your mentioning that was supposed to be a complaint, or...?

The first thing I noticed was how insanely limited character customization was. 8 hairstlyes, 3 faces, 4 hair colors, no sliders, and NO SKIN TONE OPTIONS. The world of lineage 2 is apparently as ethnically diverse as Utah. L2 probably has one of the worst character creation systems I have ever seen, and considering how much time they have had to expand this lackluster aspect of the game, there is no excuse for this.

I guess NCSoft didn't get the memo when they were designing the game over 8 years ago that you'd be picking it up to check it out on a whim many years later. Oops!

Maybe they'll give you a refund if you ask nicely.

All joking aside, I enjoy a good character customization setup as much as the next guy. I could (and have) spend hours overall tweaking everything if given the chance. In L2, though, that kinda thing really doesn't make that big a difference, to be honest. In L2, your name, your reputation, and your clan/alliance are how you're identified. That you chose Face B, Hair C and Color D at character creation means, very very little. 

So after making my character, I log into the game. The VERY FIRST mesage I recieve in my chat box is gold spam. We are off to a great start, and the best part is that he is broadcasting in the entire starter zone. Joy. At the same time, I find out that you can't use any chat functions whatsoever until level 20, so if at any time I needed help from another player, I was SOL. I can only assume that this is done to reduce gold spam. It clearly is working.

Yes. There's Adena spam in L2. Always has been. Always will be. You know what, though? L2 is not special in that regard. Last time I logged into WoW, I got Gold spam within minutes of logging in. Same with WAR. Same with LoTRO. Same with various other MMOs. Know why? Because RMT is a huge business and no matter what game it is or what measures the developers take to stem it, the RMT companies will always find a work-around and get through to the players anyway. That's just the way of it.

So I head off to get my first quest, and immediately found out that the controls SUCK. The game relies on click to move (Keyboard movement is a joke), and almost immediately the clik to move function stopped working for no reason, and didn't resume working until I used the arow keys. This would happen multiple times during gameplay.

That you're not used to it does not mean it sucks. It means you're not used to it and are apparently not the type of adapt willingly to something new. As for the getting stuck, yeah that's something that's cropped up since it went F2P. It's annoying, I'll give you that. No idea what's going on there. But then, I think NC has screwed up a lot of things since they went F2P, which is why I decided to stop playing it 'til they get them ironed out.

Using the mouse to click on NPCs and monsters is also more difficult than it should be. You have to have your cursor exactly over what you are trying to click on, and not a pixel off, darnit! This often means that you will try to click on something and end up just walking in circles around it. This is especially frustrating during combat. Would it hurt to add a "Target nearest monster" button?

It can be frustrating, especially when you and/or they are moving. I'm pretty sure I remember there being a hotkey you could use to target the nearest mob and then cycle through them, though. If I remember right.

And then there's the camrea. Oh God, the camera.

First of all, going against all PC gaming logic, scrolling your mouse wheel forward zooms out, and scrolling it back zooms in. No other PC game I have played does this. Not that  there is any point, because the camera will zoom in whenever you get close to just about any object, or will simply reset for no reason at all. It's frustrating as hell when you just want to zoom out for a bit.

Again, takes getting used to. It's not worse than the mouse wheel working the other way. It's just different. Have you never had to adapt to a new or different control scheme when you've played other games? Did you adapt to the changes, or did you throw down the controller in frustration over the developers not making it work exactly like other games you'd played?

The worst thing about the game, though, is that it's boring. It's the same "Kill 10 rats" quest fest that I have done in countless MMORPGs before, just with worse controls. Nothing I have done in this game so far has me hooked.

Now this statement you are making on very little experience. I guess it should be said, and maybe it already has, but L2 is not about PvE. I mean, PvE is there moreso now than it was prior to Goddess of Destruction. But the game is PvP at its heart. It's about castle sieges, clan wars, player politics, alliances, rivalries, competition and so forth. The PvE content is really a backdrop to all that. Grinding mobs or quests as it were is really just a means to an end.  

I don't blame you for not knowing that. You just started out, so how could you. It's not even an unreasonable conclusion you come to, as I did at first as well. And for me, "at first" was years ago right after the game launched when the leveling curve was a lot slower and there were hardly any quests to speak of.

But, at some point, you get a taste of the things I mentioned above, and you slowly start to "get" what the game is about. Assuming it's attractive enough to you to continue, before long, you see grinding mobs and doing quests as merely a side-activity to the main activities which are, again, the PvP related things. Making your way into a clan that's active in PvP and server politics goes a long way in helping get that experience.

I sincerly hope this game gets better later on, because as it is I dont have much incentive to log in again.

It certainly does and has for many people over many years. That's no guarantee that it will for you, though. It may just not be the game for you at the end of the day. If you don't like it, you don't like it.

L2 is the epitome of what was wrong with asian grinders.

Some may call it a masterpiece, however typically masterpieces are replicated, immitated, and may will attempt to do it.  The L2 model of mmorpg stayed with L2.  No one ever tried to redo it for a reason.

In fact, if im not mistaken L2 attempted to emulated other games that were fairing better.

Regardless...theres a reason not even korean game makers attempt to recreate the insane grind, horrible movement and functionality that L2 offerd.

I just installed this last night and played for a few hours, I actually did not see any gold spam in game, (probably got lucky after reading other posts), and aside from the controls I really didnt have any issue with the game. I actually really enjoyed the game myself. I may play it until the few games im waiting on get released or I get hooked on it. Still not something I would abandon just because im not used to the controls.

Its very easy to point negative views about L2, allways was.

Even for me, i play L2 and is the best mmorpg i ever played / try it (i didnt play all games around), i can write a wall of text only saying bad things about the game.

But i real love the "mmo" elements of L2.

Simple features that make all the diference for me:

- The political system

- The PK system (even is a little harsh nowadays)

- The only game i like to grind. Maybe because was design for that i really enjoy grinding here, dont like in most of the other games.

- The economy

- The world is just amazing well design, the class's, the races.

And im the so called a casual player, 2 or 3h a day is the max i can play. i need 2months to do something others do in 1 week.  :)

Note: i awekened 2 days ago (Iss enchanter), toke me 2 months, most of ppl do it in 1 or 2 weeks.

@Jabas

Congratulations on hitting 85 and awakening. Lineage 2 is a special type of game unlike anything else out there. I have an awakened Pheo Wizard and now making a Tyr Warrior. I dont play as hardcore as I use to but I still play and enjoy the game.

What server you on?

Thx Mannish

I play on Naia (come from old Teon), iss enchanter "GreatMyst" 85 is my main atm.

From old Teon times, have "Darket" (StormScreamer 79) but give her to my daughter, and shes having alot of fun with her.

Also, why is there a first impressions post on a game that is like.. 8-9 years old?

My thoughts exactly, I played this game during open beta and for a period after. I couldn't handle the grind and be able to have a social life, and worklife (I admit it just too damn hardcore). Otherwise it was probably one of the best games I've ever played of all time. Why would anyone care about your first impressions of a game that is almost a decade old? Anyone who is playing this knows it's a niche game for people into hardcore PvP and a hardcore grind. It's kind of the bread and butter. Oh and there used to be a time in MMO history where not every game had the exact same control scheme so stop whining.

You know, in all these years, i have never heard anyone mention what it is exactly that draws them to this game.  Why Lineage2?  Ok i get it, its graphics where top notch at launch.  But why now?  What does this game do well...why the draw why do you like it.

What does lineage 2 do diffrently or better than other games, why play it over others.

Help me understand WHY?

Originally posted by Crunchy221

You know, in all these years, i have never heard anyone mention what it is exactly that draws them to this game.  Why Lineage2?  Ok i get it, its graphics where top notch at launch.  But why now?  What does this game do well...why the draw why do you like it.

What does lineage 2 do diffrently or better than other games, why play it over others.

Help me understand WHY?

its not instanced? it has meaningful territory wars? castle sieges? server politics? open world pvp? Im not actively playing it for good couple of years though, but for people interested in open world game, and pvp with means ... what other options are there?

id say class diversity too, but i figured that got killed with latest patch, where end game consists of 8 or 9 classes in total.

Originally posted by Crunchy221

You know, in all these years, i have never heard anyone mention what it is exactly that draws them to this game.  Why Lineage2?  Ok i get it, its graphics where top notch at launch.  But why now?  What does this game do well...why the draw why do you like it.

What does lineage 2 do diffrently or better than other games, why play it over others.

Help me understand WHY?

1st: The political system and the world.

I really like the way is implemented here and interfer with my gameplay. When i go to some hunting zone for quest or only grind i have to deal with other players. They interfer with my experience, sometimes in a bad way, other in a good way. Sometimes i cant even do my quest, or even get a grinding spot. For some ppl this could be a gamebreaker, but it isnt for me, its the result of having a world where relations with other players matters.

2nd: PK/PvP with rules.

Yes, L2 is FFA pvp but have some rules so we dont find random PK's around, in last 3 months i was killed 1 time for a random PK. Normally when someone go for PK or PVP it as a motive, normally related on my 1st point.

3rd: I dont mind grinding

Yes its true, i dont mind grinding in L2. I like to kill stuff so i dont mind do it, and if im bored i just stop and go do other things or stop playing. Never had hurry to reach next level, just trying to enjoy the hunting zone im in and the company of other players  if im in group. Normally i dont like grinding in others games i have be playing and questing is start to be even more boring for me then the pure grinding.

4rd: Its F2P now and no need of the CS.

I dont play it because is F2P but i need to mentioned this:

I play it as F2P now and i dont need nothing from CS and still enjoy all the game without any restrictions.

But im allways ready to try other games, so if someone know other game with the 1st and 2nd point with fantasy theme and top quality animations (yes, i need this) i will try it.

Edit: I didnt mentioned Territory wars and Sieges because i dont participate in that yet, i will start that at my lvl 86 (im 85 atm).

Originally posted by Lionheart23

Lineage 2 is not the latest piece of garbage you're used to play.

It's a declared masterpiece for the whole mmo community, so nobody cares about your noobish first impressions.

+1

I love the mouse control, to me, WASD movement in WoW, etc. is what sux lol

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Mothanos

Why bother with L2 when you can play Aion for free is beyond me.

It is a much better game with alot better features.

just my 2 cents :P

 

 

This just shows that you have no idea what Lineage 2 is about. The games are totally different in every way possible.

s/are/have been/

L2 has been changed to Aion, for all I know. Class diversity removed and getting the exact same 8 classes as those from Aion.

So yeah, personally I have no motive to play L2 anymore. I consider Aion a dumbed down Lineage and I dont want to play that.

Originally posted by Adamantine

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Mothanos

Why bother with L2 when you can play Aion for free is beyond me.

It is a much better game with alot better features.

just my 2 cents :P

 

 

This just shows that you have no idea what Lineage 2 is about. The games are totally different in every way possible.

s/are/have been/

L2 has been changed to Aion, for all I know. Class diversity removed and getting the exact same 8 classes as those from Aion.

So yeah, personally I have no motive to play L2 anymore. I consider Aion a dumbed down Lineage and I dont want to play that.

You right about the class's, the class system on GoD end with the diversity of class's on L2 (for me was a really bad decision).

Still Imo:

AION is a great GAME but poor MMO. AION is only about personal scores and archivements.

L2 is a great MMO and still a great game. No need to repeate the MMO elements of L2 allready mentioned on this threath.

Well I guess I must add my 2 cents worth... Been playing L2 again for a couple of weeks now and I am amazed that I am already lvl 34!

This game is not even the same game as it was when I last played it over 4-5 yrs ago. They really took away the grind and the lvl cap is now 99. The starting area as well as all the towns I have re-visited are totally different. I'm sure the grind will kick in eventually but so far I have gained a lvl with each quest I have done so far. They even added an auction house! Used to it took forever to lvl up and when you died you could actually lose your levels. When last I played I thought I'd check out the Player killing aspect of the game and before I knew what was going on I was labeled a murderer and could not even go to any towns lest I be hunted down like a hydrophobic dog and went from lvl 30ish all the way down to like lvl 10 before I finally gave up and uninstalled!

You can still lose xp but you won't lose lvls now and the player kill aspect of the game is still pretty harsh...you have to grind mobs to reduce your pk points and there are people around whose sole purpose is to kill anyone and everyone they can simply for the enjoyment of it.

The sad part is that they did a great thing removing the hellish grind that was in the old L2 but I gotta say even though there still is a great game here it used to have a lot more substance than it does now in it's current state. Crafting is pretty much useless since you can get free gear after lvl 40 and you can hit lvl 40+ pretty quickly now. I am already lvl 34 and I only have played a couple of weekends and only 3-4 hrs after work before bedtime about every other evening through like 3 weeks. There is an excellent guide on our clans website that pretty much narrows down exactly what you need to do and what you want to NOT do to maximize the lvling process...Can't wait to get involved with the politics and castle sieges, wars and clan vs clan aspects of the game. I actually am becoming quite addicted to the new L2 and I don't really know why... weird, ..I just can't explain it...I am starting to kinda figure out the economy and there is actually a lot of intricacies to it (is that even a word? lol.)

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Guess I could post some of the guide from our clan site just to give those interested in lvling up an idea of how it has been simplified.....

Let me start by reminding everyone below level 40 to get Blessing of Protection along with your buffs. It will keep you safe from PKers, as there are many people like the idea to Pk in the low level areas.

So now you're level 20 and leaving for the continent, first stop-Gludio. Upon arriving to Gludio you need to report to Gludio Captain Bathis. He will have a few quests available for you, SKIP THE MUTATED KANEUS QUEST YOU DO NOT NEED TO COMPLETE IT.

Instead take a quest to the Windmill Hill. Don't forget to get buffs and Blessing of Protection from Newby Helper. Teleport to Windmill Hill, collect quest Items by hunting mobs that are needed. After you complete that quest you will be appointed back to Gludio and you will need to take the first part of Sakum quest. It's actually a chain of quests that will take you up to level 41.

First part of the quest is in Ruins of Agony(RoA). You will hunt mobs again and once you kill enough to complete the quest you will see a Guard NPC in the middle of the RoA. If at that point you've reached level 27 you will be able to take the second part of RoA quest, if not just keep leveling up in RoA untill you reach 27.

Second part of RoA quest is really simple, you need to kill a quest monster that is right near the entrance to the ruins. Kill it and submit the quest back to the guard NPC, he will now send you back to Gludio to take on the next stage of Sakum quest.

You will be going to Ruins of Dispair(RoD). This part is very similar to the RoA quest except it has 3 stages instead of 2. First you will hunt mobs inside the ruins walls, when you kill enough, quest will lead you to the Cabin up on the hill outside the RoD. If you're already level 32 you will be able to take the quest further, if not just hunt the mubs around the cabin and you will be 32 in no time.

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This is about where I'm at right now and I would say around 20 hrs into the game from a newly created Warrior class char. Thanks to our Clan Leader for this most excellent lvling guide!!!

Originally posted by Adamantine

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Mothanos

Why bother with L2 when you can play Aion for free is beyond me.

It is a much better game with alot better features.

just my 2 cents :P

 

 

This just shows that you have no idea what Lineage 2 is about. The games are totally different in every way possible.

s/are/have been/

L2 has been changed to Aion, for all I know. Class diversity removed and getting the exact same 8 classes as those from Aion.

So yeah, personally I have no motive to play L2 anymore. I consider Aion a dumbed down Lineage and I dont want to play that.

 Uhhh 8 classes?? not anymore here is the class trees for each race available and there is a TON of them! and don't ask me how you get them all cause right now I feel like a total nooblet and it is a great feeling and one I havent had in a very long time...

Maybe it is this feeling that is addicting me to the game as most every game I have played the last 5 yrs or so has all pretty much been exactly the same only with differnt graphics and/or art direction. Gameplay being the same

http://wolfem.atspace.com/human.htm

Originally posted by Jabas

Originally posted by Crunchy221

You know, in all these years, i have never heard anyone mention what it is exactly that draws them to this game.  Why Lineage2?  Ok i get it, its graphics where top notch at launch.  But why now?  What does this game do well...why the draw why do you like it.

What does lineage 2 do diffrently or better than other games, why play it over others.

Help me understand WHY?

1st: The political system and the world.

I really like the way is implemented here and interfer with my gameplay. When i go to some hunting zone for quest or only grind i have to deal with other players. They interfer with my experience, sometimes in a bad way, other in a good way. Sometimes i cant even do my quest, or even get a grinding spot. For some ppl this could be a gamebreaker, but it isnt for me, its the result of having a world where relations with other players matters.

 

2nd: PK/PvP with rules.

Yes, L2 is FFA pvp but have some rules so we dont find random PK's around, in last 3 months i was killed 1 time for a random PK. Normally when someone go for PK or PVP it as a motive, normally related on my 1st point.

 

3rd: I dont mind grinding

Yes its true, i dont mind grinding in L2. I like to kill stuff so i dont mind do it, and if im bored i just stop and go do other things or stop playing. Never had hurry to reach next level, just trying to enjoy the hunting zone im in and the company of other players  if im in group. Normally i dont like grinding in others games i have be playing and questing is start to be even more boring for me then the pure grinding.

 

4rd: Its F2P now and no need of the CS.

I dont play it because is F2P but i need to mentioned this:

I play it as F2P now and i dont need nothing from CS and still enjoy all the game without any restrictions.

 

 

But im allways ready to try other games, so if someone know other game with the 1st and 2nd point with fantasy theme and top quality animations (yes, i need this) i will try it.

 

Edit: I didnt mentioned Territory wars and Sieges because i dont participate in that yet, i will start that at my lvl 86 (im 85 atm).

 I must admit after having no interest in playing but trying the open beta last weekend, TERA has got me very interested and has some really great potential here and also the graphics in TERA has got to be the best I have yet seen in a game!

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by Adamantine

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Mothanos

 

 

 

 Uhhh 8 classes?? not anymore here is the class trees for each race available and there is a TON of them! and don't ask me how you get them all cause right now I feel like a total nooblet and it is a great feeling and one I havent had in a very long time...

Maybe it is this feeling that is addicting me to the game as most every game I have played the last 5 yrs or so has all pretty much been exactly the same only with differnt graphics and/or art direction. Gameplay being the same

http://wolfem.atspace.com/human.htm

Yes Wrender, L2 is now about 8 class's. The old diversity of class still exist from 1 to 84 but then at 85 u awake to one of the 8 final class's. We can only find a little diferences between races.

I only know ISS Enchanter for now and love it. Soon i will know how it is Feoh Wizard too.

But L2 is still about group content (86+) in pve or pvp so i dont see much interferience on gameplay with this new class model.