The game is bogged down with Bots!!!!!

You cant log in most of the time to play.

When you log in you are unable to play because of lag  problems with the Soul Shots. ( 3 weeks now )

I have never seen so many people  unsatisfied in my life.

NC sold items to people and then changed what the items do after the fact.

NC either cant fix this or they wont. I dont know.

This is true and things are worse than you can emagine.

MMORG ..this is a good story.  Investigate it.

LOts of people feel like they have been ripped off by NC.

Originally posted by Tdagata61

The game is bogged down with Bots!!!!!

This has been the case for years though. I remember I tried Lineage 2 years ago and in the 2 days I played it, I never even found a real player, I only saw bots.

Originally posted by Tdagata61

The game is bogged down with Bots!!!!!

Bots was allways a problem in L2. In 2007 they ruin my game experience, today not real, i found much more real players then bots (in 2007 was tottaly diferent).

 

You cant log in most of the time to play.

Its true in NAIA and CHRONOS, i can only logg after 22h (gmt+0). But Magmel and Bartz its ok.

 

When you log in you are unable to play because of lag  problems with the Soul Shots. ( 3 weeks now )

Only found that issue in server Bartz, all the others are ok for me.

 

I have never seen so many people  unsatisfied in my life.

Theres some ppl unhappy, but servers are still full of ppl. Even when i can log in NAIA, theres alot of ppl playing around. The world in L2 is alive, this is a good thing.

 

NC sold items to people and then changed what the items do after the fact.

Dont know what u talking about, but if is about they stop the RMT from cash shop was a good change.

 

NC either cant fix this or they wont. I dont know.

This is true and things are worse than you can emagine.

MMORG ..this is a good story.  Investigate it.

LOts of people feel like they have been ripped off by NC.

L2 f2p was a great thing, the world in Aden is alive with lot of ppl. They are having some issues, but im sure things will be fix meanwhile.

I get mad too when i get home and cant logg because server is full, just go do something else and back later...

Hope things get better meanwhile. If theres was other game so good as L2 i change, but there isnt :(

Bot problem was in quite good shape before servers turned into F2P. There was barely any that I could see roaming around for last year or two.

Now with f2p there came big surge of people and sadly most likely bots also. Also the recent event where you got event items by logged in basically and with no restriction about how many accounts you can have, you can imagine the amount of lvl 1 characters standing in starting village just for the event items and thus causing the server being full >_<

Anyways, F2P was nice breath of life to the game, as servers were total of about 3000 players concurrent online. (Naia+Chronos) and now they have 5 servers and where 3 of those gets full every day (~6000 players)

Originally posted by Tdagata61

The game is bogged down with Bots!!!!!

You cant log in most of the time to play.

When you log in you are unable to play because of lag  problems with the Soul Shots. ( 3 weeks now )

I have never seen so many people  unsatisfied in my life.

NC sold items to people and then changed what the items do after the fact.

NC either cant fix this or they wont. I dont know.

This is true and things are worse than you can emagine.

MMORG ..this is a good story.  Investigate it.

LOts of people feel like they have been ripped off by NC.

does'nt bode well for Aion ..un less that game has a way of dealing with that..one thing i dont understand is the term 'bots'.why do people use them ,by that i mean what are they foir..can someone be so kind has to explain?

Originally posted by kevjards

Originally posted by Tdagata61

The game is bogged down with Bots!!!!!

You cant log in most of the time to play.

When you log in you are unable to play because of lag  problems with the Soul Shots. ( 3 weeks now )

I have never seen so many people  unsatisfied in my life.

NC sold items to people and then changed what the items do after the fact.

NC either cant fix this or they wont. I dont know.

This is true and things are worse than you can emagine.

MMORG ..this is a good story.  Investigate it.

LOts of people feel like they have been ripped off by NC.

does'nt bode well for Aion ..un less that game has a way of dealing with that..one thing i dont understand is the term 'bots'.why do people use them ,by that i mean what are they foir..can someone be so kind has to explain?

 

I bealive theres 3 main reasons to bot:

- Gold sellers.

- leveling (some players only want to play at higher lvl).

- Gaether adenas and mats for some player/clan.

NCSoft doesnt do enouph about this matter, never did. But i see some PK teams around killing all bots, wich is amazing seeing some players doing something about it  :)

Originally posted by Warriorr

Bot problem was in quite good shape before servers turned into F2P. There was barely any that I could see roaming around for last year or two.

Now with f2p there came big surge of people and sadly most likely bots also. Also the recent event where you got event items by logged in basically and with no restriction about how many accounts you can have, you can imagine the amount of lvl 1 characters standing in starting village just for the event items and thus causing the server being full >_<

Anyways, F2P was nice breath of life to the game, as servers were total of about 3000 players concurrent online. (Naia+Chronos) and now they have 5 servers and where 3 of those gets full every day (~6000 players)

IMO the biggest mistake is features that promote afk users, like mentor system and previous event.

Event is over, now they should change the mentor system.

Well that was to be expected.  F2P add more players to the game, that's for sure especially in first months , but it also brings usually much more bots. I am not saying P2P don't have bots, they do. Some even quite a bit.

Still F2P have more of them cause eventual loss is much smaller. Botter can just create another account or 10 more.

I doubt that NcSoft will do something dramatic / revolutionary to solve this problem.  Lineage 2 exist for how long? 9 years almost? 

If they havent adressed this problem in L2 "greatest" times, I doubt they will invest money to adress it atm.

Guess either you live with bot infested world or quit.

I unfortunatelly cannot stand common botting ,but every man and woman has their own level of 'tolerance'.

Originally posted by Jabas

Originally posted by Tdagata61

 

NC sold items to people and then changed what the items do after the fact.

Dont know what u talking about, but if is about they stop the RMT from cash shop was a good change.

QQ more please... The description of the items CLEARLY STATED "can not be traded, sold or destroyed". It was a bug waiting to be fixed. That you (and a lot of other players) were STUPID ENOUGH to buy 100's of soulshot packs and are not stuck with them on a lvl1 sell box (prolly bot since you get kicked automaticlaly after 2 hours) is not NC's proble, but yours since you CLEARLY EXPLOTED a bug to be fixed. 

L2 f2p was a great thing, the world in Aden is alive with lot of ppl. They are having some issues, but im sure things will be fix meanwhile.

I get mad too when i get home and cant logg because server is full, just go do something else and back later...

Hope things get better meanwhile. If theres was other game so good as L2 i change, but there isnt :(

I do have to agree with OP though... botting is a bigger problem now than ever. With no logon queue, bots logon easily during peakhours and won't get kicked (after 2 hours of idle) when the server is on max load, while we (legit players) can't logon easily during peak hours. Last weekend's TW & castle siege are yet again a good example. Members form my clan got a DC and were not able to logon anymore during the whole event.

Aside from that, I am glad L2 is saved from a certain death because of low subscriptions and till I find something better (TERA or C9 most likely) I'll keep playing L2.

I guess I'm lucky I play on Bartz, being the new server there's never an issue of not being able to log in.

I'll agree, unless I miss my guess the game is dirty with bots and multi-boxers (some folks are dragging 3 or 4 characters behind them).

Due to the overcrowding in certain hunting areas, kill stealing is at record proportions but  I found it much less of an issue if you step off the recommended path they lay out for you in now.

With the title going F2P I'm not sure they are spending much on Support for the game (not that I ever felt NCSoft support was ever good) so if you get in a jam (such as having your account hacked) you  are pretty much on your own.

They do have no problem chat banning clan leaders who spam local too much with adverts. (has happened to my clan leader a couple of times), though I think that's really an automated response system that kicks in . (it does warn you too)

That said, participated (sort of) in my first castle siege yesterday (at level 65 I am still way too low) but it was interesting to watch the mechanics, follow the siege engines in throught the walls and gain clan rep even though I spent most of my time getting one shotted.

Since I had just leveled up and there is no more de-leveling I didn't lose anything upon death, but my clan mates were saying you no longer lose exp for dying in sieges (did you ever, I seem to recall it being a lowered but not zero amt years ago) so it didn't matter how many times you went down.  (except rebuffing was a pain)

As someone else said, few titles out there today offer an end game experience like L2 so I'm going to continue to play for now, regardless of the challenges it presents in its current incarnation.

Edit: I will also agree, the recent soul shot lag has been highly annoying, and some of my clanmates will immediately log off upon encountering it, but I've managed to press on forward because my class is able to handle it better than most.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I guess I'm lucky I play on Bartz, being the new server there's never an issue of not being able to log in.

I'll agree, unless I miss my guess the game is dirty with bots and multi-boxers (some folks are dragging 3 or 4 characters behind them).

Due to the overcrowding in certain hunting areas, kill stealing is at record proportions but  I found it much less of an issue if you step off the recommended path they lay out for you in now.

With the title going F2P I'm not sure they are spending much on Support for the game (not that I ever felt NCSoft support was ever good) so if you get in a jam (such as having your account hacked) you  are pretty much on your own.

They do have no problem chat banning clan leaders who spam local too much with adverts. (has happened to my clan leader a couple of times), though I think that's really an automated response system that kicks in . (it does warn you too)

That said, participated (sort of) in my first castle siege yesterday (at level 65 I am still way too low) but it was interesting to watch the mechanics, follow the siege engines in throught the walls and gain clan rep even though I spent most of my time getting one shotted.

Since I had just leveled up and there is no more de-leveling I didn't lose anything upon death, but my clan mates were saying you no longer lose exp for dying in sieges (did you ever, I seem to recall it being a lowered but not zero amt years ago) so it didn't matter how many times you went down.  (except rebuffing was a pain)

As someone else said, few titles out there today offer an end game experience like L2 so I'm going to continue to play for now, regardless of the challenges it presents in its current incarnation.

Edit: I will also agree, the recent soul shot lag has been highly annoying, and some of my clanmates will immediately log off upon encountering it, but I've managed to press on forward because my class is able to handle it better than most.

 

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction" springs to mind in regards to L2. F2P was great a dying game in the west really did get a massive revival, it brought ppl that couldnt afford to play or just didnt want to pay for it to the official servers and essentially bring revenue to NCSoft, even if they dont spend any money its likely someone that they entertain while they play that does so it is a good cycle.

On the other hand it has also opened the pandora's box of private servers, which is the rampant cheating and botting that is going on, massive between player sell of items and commodities and that will always plague the game. I would wager that most bots are no longer from farming companies but from players themselves. With the awakening system ofc ppl arent going offline, I know ppl who are online so they can be fed up diplomas from their mentees, the sooner they get to 85 the better.

To Kyleran, yes you used to loose XP upon death, in fact I remember having to XP for about 24h before sieges so that when they were finished I still had pretty much the same XP before the mindless farming started, I am glad they removed these gimmicks and instead encourage ppl to actually participate. 

Originally posted by Reizla

Originally posted by Jabas

Originally posted by Tdagata61

 

NC sold items to people and then changed what the items do after the fact.

Dont know what u talking about, but if is about they stop the RMT from cash shop was a good change.

QQ more please... The description of the items CLEARLY STATED "can not be traded, sold or destroyed". It was a bug waiting to be fixed. That you (and a lot of other players) were STUPID ENOUGH to buy 100's of soulshot packs and are not stuck with them on a lvl1 sell box (prolly bot since you get kicked automaticlaly after 2 hours) is not NC's proble, but yours since you CLEARLY EXPLOTED a bug to be fixed. 

L2 f2p was a great thing, the world in Aden is alive with lot of ppl. They are having some issues, but im sure things will be fix meanwhile.

I get mad too when i get home and cant logg because server is full, just go do something else and back later...

Hope things get better meanwhile. If theres was other game so good as L2 i change, but there isnt :(

I do have to agree with OP though... botting is a bigger problem now than ever. With no logon queue, bots logon easily during peakhours and won't get kicked (after 2 hours of idle) when the server is on max load, while we (legit players) can't logon easily during peak hours. Last weekend's TW & castle siege are yet again a good example. Members form my clan got a DC and were not able to logon anymore during the whole event.

Aside from that, I am glad L2 is saved from a certain death because of low subscriptions and till I find something better (TERA or C9 most likely) I'll keep playing L2.

Im confuse Reizla, ur answer in red is directed to OP or for me?

my english is not very good, so i might missunderstand this :)

Chronos is way to overcrowded so I transfered to Magmeld. Not once have I had trouble logging in and I never get lag problems. People have been asking for weeks about making a Que System to log in but I have no idea why they have not made one yet.

I can certyainly belive this, as an Aion player for 2 years there were many times we were left high and dry by NC Soft

In fact we were (Prolly still are.) treated like second class citzens after K-aion. In fact the game was so mis-managed most of us left. (To bad impresive game.) Anywho good luck!

Originally posted by Bookah

I can certyainly belive this, as an Aion player for 2 years there were many times we were left high and dry by NC Soft

In fact we were (Prolly still are.) treated like second class citzens after K-aion. In fact the game was so mis-managed most of us left. (To bad impresive game.) Anywho good luck!

This is certainly true, I have yet to see tho, a situation where ppl can be genuinly pissed off and without proper treatment besides design decisions ( game's feedback is based on K-L2 not west ), time of the patches ( they get it first ).

There is very little in this game that you cant take into your own hands to take care of it, botting is only a problem when you are a non factor  leveling  ( I say this not in a bad way and without offense  anyone leveling is by most part non factor unless they belong to a big guild ), after you join one of the big ones you are sorted botting wont be a problem, you can just expel bots from your area easily and farmers usually dont like to mess with the big guilds since they can get screwed. And last but not least you can filter in whoever you want in a good clan, there is no need to care about the random asshole on the street.

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Bookah

I can certyainly belive this, as an Aion player for 2 years there were many times we were left high and dry by NC Soft

In fact we were (Prolly still are.) treated like second class citzens after K-aion. In fact the game was so mis-managed most of us left. (To bad impresive game.) Anywho good luck!

This is certainly true, I have yet to see tho, a situation where ppl can be genuinly pissed off and without proper treatment besides design decisions ( game's feedback is based on K-L2 not west ), time of the patches ( they get it first ).

There is very little in this game that you cant take into your own hands to take care of it, botting is only a problem when you are a non factor  leveling  ( I say this not in a bad way and without offense  anyone leveling is by most part non factor unless they belong to a big guild ), after you join one of the big ones you are sorted botting wont be a problem, you can just expel bots from your area easily and farmers usually dont like to mess with the big guilds since they can get screwed. And last but not least you can filter in whoever you want in a good clan, there is no need to care about the random asshole on the street.

Well, you just mention one great thing about this game.

I, as a casual player, never be part of a big clan and never made part of political decisions inside L2. But even im just a little "citizen" doing stuff around the world of L2 with my friends, its very nice when we see big clans wars and how some clans interfear with your experience inside game, sometimes in a good way others not really.

I wish more games have political systems like L2, or even deeper. Sometimes i just imagine the <insert other mmo here> without factions and with a political/war system like this, and im sure i was playing it  :)

I haven't been very happy with NCSoft for a while, can't play Aion any more because of the fact that their Launcher will not work on my computer. It just seems like they release things without lots of testing. Although I really shouldn't say that because Aion wasn't bad when it first came out it was just a really big grind like L2 was before it went F2P. But on the contrast I wish they would fix their problems.

Originally posted by CalmOceans

Originally posted by Tdagata61

The game is bogged down with Bots!!!!!

This has been the case for years though. I remember I tried Lineage 2 years ago and in the 2 days I played it, I never even found a real player, I only saw bots.

if you haven't play f2p, then dont comment, it's very different now...

everywhere are crowded with people now. people leave their computer on 24/7 for mentors buff and exp, hence town will be very laggy if you still using Sata drive.

it also difficult to hunt mobs now. everying going to the same place and hunt the same mobs to complete their daily quest..hence it is very competitive now, lot of pking going on.

exp'ing might be easier now but after lv 78, you will have an issue....grind will come back eventually....

Well , what does this say about  NC?  AS L3 gets closer to launch. ???  Will it be as messed up . You know it is gona be a hard grind.

Not sure I am gona even try it.  

l2 bot?come on guys it is to be expected gees 5 million plus played in korea it was a paid service they have been insanelly popular for years there!did you think just 2 player would show up i figure they have a lot of player and not many bot,but of caurse when you speak 100 total player in a game you see 100 bot it isnt a lot .but if you got million of player and you got million of bot then yes it is a problem.people often forget this was huge everywhere in the world.i remember where i lived there used to be a net cafe like they got in asia and player no bot player waited for respawn to kill mobs!yes it was that insanelly popular!there were bot but there was so many player that bot got drowned lol