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Lineage II Forum » Giran (General) » Lineage 2 gone carebear???

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  benasato

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12/02/11 8:07:53 AM#21

Just hit up one of the many cata's like everyone else does or die...

  megera23

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12/02/11 8:24:58 AM#22
Originally posted by benasato

Just hit up one of the many cata's like everyone else does or die...

Cata? Catacombs? You mean the ones they removed with GoD? :P

  vlad1500

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12/02/11 9:25:39 AM#23

the OP is obviously the carebear for crying about karma lol....

  Vesavius

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12/02/11 9:32:35 AM#24
Originally posted by travamars

Was playing today and yes i PK'd a guy. He kept following me and making his charactor dance in my face, it really got annoying so i blasted him.

Then I turn red and noticed that i had lost  700+ rep....and the only way to remove my redname is to kill around 700 mobs. Cant gain any experiance till i do.

I dont usually pk...really i never do, but I figured since this was lineage 2 and he was an ASS, what the hell.

I understand there should be a penalty but this is a bit extreme. Shop keepers wont talk to me, teleporters wont talk to me. No, i just have to stay red until i go kill 700+ mobs.

Not to big a deal since i can reroll since i was still low lvl.

Also..I played this game when it first came out years ago for over 2 years so It's just depressing that L2 (of all games) has gone carebear.

 

From the way I see it being a PK is now a more 'hardcore' choice then ever. Hardcore enough to make you reroll even.

No more jumping in and out of red status, hiding your PKing ass behind a white name.

If you PK you and better be ready to walk as you talk... PKs actually get more respect from me under the new sytem, because it wasn't a cheap easy choice.

 

Even by L24 on the new server I have seen quite a few reds running around, either fighting or washing karma. I guess they didn't take the easy reroll route like you.

 

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  Dwigo

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12/02/11 9:36:02 AM#25

 And how exactly are they stealing your drops unless you're botting? The drops are not lootable by anyone except the person who killed the mob for quite some time.

  User Deleted
12/02/11 9:42:25 AM#26

If it is such a penalty for one pk in a game which allows pking then it is a bit daft quite frankly. Moreover it will just promote people having split toons, one killer, one pver.

 

OP, if it is going to take you a massive amount of time to clear the red, why bother? Just grief the crap out of everyone you come across and pk as many people as possible. Roll a separate toon for pve and just be a piece of shit on the now red toon.

 

Go around and smash every single person trying to goad others into pking them. True you may have to make a pve alt but the fun you will get repeatedly smashing their toons into the ground will more than make up for that.

 

Besides if it requires a grind to "clear your name", why not just grind another toon instead? That way you could simply log on your killer every time you see a retard and wtfpwn him.

  viddiot007

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12/02/11 9:46:30 AM#27

Laughed so hard at some of the comments.

  Sentime

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12/02/11 10:19:26 AM#28

Don't dance by me bro.

  Darth_Osor

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12/02/11 10:27:49 AM#29
Originally posted by travamars

First off....700 mobs will take a hell of a lot longer than an hour. Have you even played the game??? There are thousands of people in EVERY area and your lucky if you can find 50 mobs an hour, so that is bullshit. And the entire time your trying to kill those 700 mobs your name is RED..meaning every person running by is going to try to kill you, so you'd be lucky to spend 5 minutes before your back in town to revive.

I should teleport somewhere else??? Where would you have me to teleport to since everything is done by lvl's? I should teleport because some moron is dancing in my face and stealing the drops while i'm fighting? Really?

As far you saying i should read and not 'close down pop ups" you think because i PK'd one...ONE... person i have never read a thing about the game? And i'm not 'grinding lvl's'..you take quest and complete them or you wont be able to do all off that teleporting you claim is the answer to it all.

You should really play a game before you come on here spouting nonsense.

Wait...someone can take your drops without getting flagged?  OMG fail.  I had considered trying this game out now that it's F2P, but I think I'll skip it now. 

Thanks!

  User Deleted
12/02/11 10:30:20 AM#30

Sounds like a new way of griefing.  Just annoy the crap out of someone until they PK you.

  megera23

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12/02/11 10:35:00 AM#31

^Pretty much. People are just starting to get creative about griefing. Since people can't kill each other for mobs, they just KS everything atm. Wait for the mob to be at very little health to deliver the last hit. Pretty much everyone you're gonna see in an area is doing it. *shrugs*

  Karahandras

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12/02/11 11:23:47 AM#32

Was just about to dl the game and give it a try, thanks for the heads up.  I'm gussing that the ability to remove this penalty faster is going into the shop?

  nationalcity

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12/02/11 11:26:40 AM#33

*Yawn*

  VikingGamer

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12/02/11 11:32:18 AM#34
Originally posted by megera23

^Pretty much. People are just starting to get creative about griefing. Since people can't kill each other for mobs, they just KS everything atm. Wait for the mob to be at very little health to deliver the last hit. Pretty much everyone you're gonna see in an area is doing it. *shrugs*

They need to fix that too perhaps make it so that you lock the mob after you have done 50% damage to it or who ever has the greater % when it dies. Last hit is a stupid system. Is that really how it is? I thought it would be a greatest % of damage system.

I am all for a system with a harsh penalty for PK. Ultimately you decide if you are going to finish them off. If you are going to live by the sword you have to accept dieing by the sword. But I wouldn't mind seeing it changed slightly. Someone with a red name is a target now for those who want to go green. And you do loose exp for dieing red. It would seem  reasonable to allow chaotic characters to redeem at least some reputation for dying to other players hunting them. Still limit it to dying to those who can gain lawfulness from you, that way the 8hr limit will prevent friends from killing friends to wash karma. Perhaps also make it so the chaotic can only gain back reputation if they dont fight back. Call it penance or something. Just have to make sure that the chaotic has to die at least enough times to incur enough exp penalty that it would make up for the mobs that would have been killed. Perhaps also make it an option only for those under the 31 pk count. The hardcore PKers should have it tougher.

It would seem reasonable to be able to pay for your crime either through working it for through dying so long as they are pvp deaths that result in exp loss.

Either way it is not a bad system. I would rather them error on the side of being harsh on the PKers and nerf it a bit rather than erroring first on the side of being easy on the PKers

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  travamars

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OP  12/02/11 12:13:19 PM#35
Originally posted by vlad1500
Originally posted by travamars

Was playing today and yes i PK'd a guy. He kept following me and making his charactor dance in my face, it really got annoying so i blasted him.

Then I turn red and noticed that i had lost  700+ rep....and the only way to remove my redname is to kill around 700 mobs. Cant gain any experiance till i do.

I dont usually pk...really i never do, but I figured since this was lineage 2 and he was an ASS, what the hell.

I understand there should be a penalty but this is a bit extreme. Shop keepers wont talk to me, teleporters wont talk to me. No, i just have to stay red until i go kill 700+ mobs.

Not to big a deal since i can reroll since i was still low lvl.

Also..I played this game when it first came out years ago for over 2 years so It's just depressing that L2 (of all games) has gone carebear.

you played this for more than a year and you dont even know that if you die you lose that karma you gained for killing a player? and its not 700mobs its 700 karma. It will take you like 20mobs at most to lose that. Please stop lying about playing this game for more than a year....

700 karma = 700 mobs....try playing the game so you know what your talking about.

  Reizla

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12/02/11 12:19:26 PM#36

Uhm... Lineage II is all BUT carebear if you ask me. The FFA PvP/PK with criminal ruleset shows it IMO.

About not gaining XP anymore when red - yeah, that sucks. Wasn't like that in the past. I remember PKing a bot a couple of months ago at Execution Gounds (lvl 30-40). Took me about 45 minutes to wash karma (that's what negative rep was called then) there  and gained almost a whole level...

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  benasato

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12/02/11 12:34:07 PM#37
Originally posted by megera23
Originally posted by benasato

Just hit up one of the many cata's like everyone else does or die...

Cata? Catacombs? You mean the ones they removed with GoD? :P

Well that blows i quit before GoD, looks like you cant die out of it to uggh.

  fivoroth

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12/02/11 5:13:42 PM#38

This new system sounds just as bad as the one where there was no penalty for pks. Both cases are too extreme imo.

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  Sentime

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12/03/11 6:21:34 AM#39

It only seems like a bad system because clueless people are going criminal in an area with a thousand players all killing solo mobs as soon as they spawn.

 Once everyone spreads out and starts group xping on party mobs, you'll have a real chance to work off your red.

  FastTx

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12/03/11 6:42:07 AM#40

How long to wash karma in a full aoe group? Less than 10 minutes. This new system is only harsh in the beginning, and really after the first week there probably will be very few temptations to pk anyone.

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