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Lineage II Forum » Giran (General) » Lineage 2 gone carebear???

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  travamars

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Posts: 452

 
OP  12/01/11 8:40:11 PM#1

Was playing today and yes i PK'd a guy. He kept following me and making his charactor dance in my face, it really got annoying so i blasted him.

Then I turn red and noticed that i had lost  700+ rep....and the only way to remove my redname is to kill around 700 mobs. Cant gain any experiance till i do.

I dont usually pk...really i never do, but I figured since this was lineage 2 and he was an ASS, what the hell.

I understand there should be a penalty but this is a bit extreme. Shop keepers wont talk to me, teleporters wont talk to me. No, i just have to stay red until i go kill 700+ mobs.

Not to big a deal since i can reroll since i was still low lvl.

Also..I played this game when it first came out years ago for over 2 years so It's just depressing that L2 (of all games) has gone carebear.

  User Deleted
12/01/11 9:02:01 PM#2

Wait your calling Lineage 2 carebear or atleast going carebear, because your pk'ed a person who asked for it yes but which you attacked first. That you now have to grind mobs to get off of being red nameed since you chose to kill someone that did not attack you, and that the penalty was not being allowed to talk or interact with the npcs till you get rid of your red name off. That is not carebear at all you got penalized for it, yet you were fully free to do it with a worthwhile penalty that i am pretty sure would be quite the annoying penalty if you were higher level. Sounds more like you want to pk without any penalty at all over what they got now, which is not being hardcore, to me that is pretty carebearish, since you have no fear of dieing or killing in pvp at all period. Even with this system  they have now i would not mind ffa loting as much as i used to in gaming, since when i get pked or i pk i actually lose somthign for my actions.

  travamars

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OP  12/01/11 9:21:33 PM#3
Originally posted by Elricmerren

 Sounds more like you want to pk without any penalty at all over what they got now, which is not being hardcore, to me that is pretty carebearish, since you have no fear of dieing or killing in pvp at all period. Even with this system  they have now i would not mind ffa loting as much as i used to in gaming, since when i get pked or i pk i actually lose somthign for my actions.

I said i think there should be a penalty but just because you kill ONE.....ONE person you have to go spend 3 to 4 hours or more trying to remove the penalty? Killing mobs and gaining no xp.

Yeah i said it was carebear because thats what it is. It's such a harsh penalty anybody would be stupid to kill anybody. That would be fine for games like WOW an GW and such but for L2 its a bit extreme. I played it for a couple of years when it first came out and this new penalty is carebear.

And you think its carebear for a game to have ffa killing with no penalty> Really? FFA killing is carebear to you?? LMAO!!

  nolic1

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12/01/11 9:30:21 PM#4

700 mobs takes an hr with the space there at but hey your the one who didnt just got to town a port somewhere else or just keep going you took this on yourself and all I can say is that. But truth be told if you read the stuff the game has pop up and not close it down it states it claer as day that after lvl 10 you can be PvPed and if you do it there are penaltys to it so you didn't read that cause you wanted to go grind lvls instead of reading the important stuff.


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  megera23

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Joined: 5/24/11
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12/01/11 10:49:53 PM#5

I'm sorry, but some people just deserve to get PKed. Now isntead of worrying about gankers, we'll have to worry about kill stealers and griefers. And you can't even do anything against them if you don't want that penalty on you. I'm one of the people who'd never attack someone unless provoked. But there are tons of ways in this game for others to grief you without tagging themselves for PvP. And no, I don't want to go to another place (plus I've been in situations where this doesn't solve the problem at all). These people would just start bothering someone else around. Should we just let them have their way? 

Yes, I agree there was a need for harsher penalties (especially with the huge number of people on the servers), but I think the current situation goes a bit too far.

 

@At the OP.

Dying doesn't work anymore, I take it?

  travamars

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OP  12/01/11 11:42:56 PM#6
Originally posted by nolic1

700 mobs takes an hr with the space there at but hey your the one who didnt just got to town a port somewhere else or just keep going you took this on yourself and all I can say is that. But truth be told if you read the stuff the game has pop up and not close it down it states it claer as day that after lvl 10 you can be PvPed and if you do it there are penaltys to it so you didn't read that cause you wanted to go grind lvls instead of reading the important stuff.

First off....700 mobs will take a hell of a lot longer than an hour. Have you even played the game??? There are thousands of people in EVERY area and your lucky if you can find 50 mobs an hour, so that is bullshit. And the entire time your trying to kill those 700 mobs your name is RED..meaning every person running by is going to try to kill you, so you'd be lucky to spend 5 minutes before your back in town to revive.

I should teleport somewhere else??? Where would you have me to teleport to since everything is done by lvl's? I should teleport because some moron is dancing in my face and stealing the drops while i'm fighting? Really?

As far you saying i should read and not 'close down pop ups" you think because i PK'd one...ONE... person i have never read a thing about the game? And i'm not 'grinding lvl's'..you take quest and complete them or you wont be able to do all off that teleporting you claim is the answer to it all.

You should really play a game before you come on here spouting nonsense.

  Ecoces

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12/01/11 11:53:46 PM#7

you did the crime now you do the time.

  travamars

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OP  12/02/11 12:08:39 AM#8
Originally posted by Ecoces

you did the crime now you do the time.

Well you may not have played or have an opinion of the game, but at least this added to your post count.

  synn

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12/02/11 12:11:56 AM#9

I played this game back in beta and then at release. The one thing i always remembered about playing was all the crying players would do, because the penalty for pvp wasn't very severe. To be honest it was even abused by pkers and farmers. I'm not sure when this new penalty system came into play but i'm sure they made it that way so they wouldn't have to deal with the constant complaining from players being PKed constantly.

  Sigilaea

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Posts: 315

12/02/11 12:12:03 AM#10

You don't have to grind mobs. When we killed someone we would get our buddy to take our gear and then kill us a couple of times. Works it off in 10 minutes. Unless they fixed that ?

  Sovrath

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12/02/11 12:14:17 AM#11

As I remember it, if you went red you always had to grind mobs to get rid of your karma. Either that or die.

 

  travamars

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OP  12/02/11 12:34:09 AM#12

If you turn red you stay red. You can die, and log off and your still red. You only get one point per mob kill to work off the penalty, which aparently is about 720 per PK.

 This harsh of a penalty really effects the game. Some people dont even kill mobs, they just stand around and steal the loot while people are busy fighting. You,ve got about ten seconds to pick it up or its open to all. If your busy with 2 you'll be lucky if its still there.

I dont PK (this guy just deserved it) and dont really do much pvp (there is a differance in the two). I only had about 3 hours in this charactor so its not that big a deal to start over. 

It's not the lineage 2 it used to be. Now you dont have to sit in fear of get ganked and if you are you can laugh, not drop anything, and know that guy wont be lvling up no time soon.

  megera23

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12/02/11 1:04:51 AM#13
Originally posted by synn

I played this game back in beta and then at release. The one thing i always remembered about playing was all the crying players would do, because the penalty for pvp wasn't very severe. To be honest it was even abused by pkers and farmers. I'm not sure when this new penalty system came into play but i'm sure they made it that way so they wouldn't have to deal with the constant complaining from players being PKed constantly.

Yeah, now they wont have to worry about people complaining about PKers. Now they will have to deal with people complaining about griefers.

In my book griefers > random PKers. And I'm saying that as a person that will never go out of their way to attack someone. I don't even attack people from clans we have war with, unless they jump me first. And I HATE this change to the Karma system.

  Yuui

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12/02/11 3:59:36 AM#14

@op

1.read up on how fame works now.
2. stop QQing.
3.??????
4. Profit!!!!!111


Its not more carebear. its a lot more hardcore now, actually.


or do you prefer times when lvl85 player would go and slaughter entire town worth of players and wash away all the karma with one convenient self-made death in the castle?

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  vlad1500

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12/02/11 4:06:17 AM#15
Originally posted by travamars

Was playing today and yes i PK'd a guy. He kept following me and making his charactor dance in my face, it really got annoying so i blasted him.

Then I turn red and noticed that i had lost  700+ rep....and the only way to remove my redname is to kill around 700 mobs. Cant gain any experiance till i do.

I dont usually pk...really i never do, but I figured since this was lineage 2 and he was an ASS, what the hell.

I understand there should be a penalty but this is a bit extreme. Shop keepers wont talk to me, teleporters wont talk to me. No, i just have to stay red until i go kill 700+ mobs.

Not to big a deal since i can reroll since i was still low lvl.

Also..I played this game when it first came out years ago for over 2 years so It's just depressing that L2 (of all games) has gone carebear.

you played this for more than a year and you dont even know that if you die you lose that karma you gained for killing a player? and its not 700mobs its 700 karma. It will take you like 20mobs at most to lose that. Please stop lying about playing this game for more than a year....

  Gdemami

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12/02/11 4:07:01 AM#16

There is no game where Karma or w/e points 'penalty' system actually worked...why wondering about it?

  megera23

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Posts: 240

12/02/11 5:05:28 AM#17
Originally posted by vlad1500
Originally posted by travamars

Was playing today and yes i PK'd a guy. He kept following me and making his charactor dance in my face, it really got annoying so i blasted him.

Then I turn red and noticed that i had lost  700+ rep....and the only way to remove my redname is to kill around 700 mobs. Cant gain any experiance till i do.

I dont usually pk...really i never do, but I figured since this was lineage 2 and he was an ASS, what the hell.

I understand there should be a penalty but this is a bit extreme. Shop keepers wont talk to me, teleporters wont talk to me. No, i just have to stay red until i go kill 700+ mobs.

Not to big a deal since i can reroll since i was still low lvl.

Also..I played this game when it first came out years ago for over 2 years so It's just depressing that L2 (of all games) has gone carebear.

you played this for more than a year and you dont even know that if you die you lose that karma you gained for killing a player? and its not 700mobs its 700 karma. It will take you like 20mobs at most to lose that. Please stop lying about playing this game for more than a year....

If you bothered to play Goddess of Destruction for even a day, you'd know that the system you speak of no longer exists. ;)

The current system is exactly the same as the OP describes.

  Jabas

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Posts: 1159

12/02/11 8:42:10 AM#18

I like the PK system except the penalty for the 1 pk (-720 carma)

It will be better if the penalty was attach to Pk count. For example:

1º pk = -80carma

2º pk= -220 carma

3º pk= -350 carma and so on..

 

OP, you fall in hes trap. He was annoying you so you PK him and and you become red. This is hapenning all over the place, ppl trying to annoying others so they ended as red and then they come with other char to kill them and become "green" (Lawfull).

 

 

 

  tyrannis

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12/02/11 8:47:59 AM#19
Originally posted by travamars
First off....700 mobs will take a hell of a lot longer than an hour. Have you even played the game??? There are thousands of people in EVERY area and your lucky if you can find 50 mobs an hour, 

I think your the one who hasn't played the game cause that's straight up bullshit.

 

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  xKingdomx

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12/02/11 8:55:20 AM#20

I thought carebear would mean you can't pk douches

 

obviously I was wrong.

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