Hello,

Just bumbing around the game list and thought I would just drop a question here:  Is there any end game raiding?  And what kind?  I played WoW all the way to killing Illidan, and that kind of raiding was kind of boring.  I enjoyed the old school EQ days of dragon raiding and such.

Second: I like the idea of grinding XP instead of questing.  That being said how hard is it to find a party?

*Cheers*

Gil

Originally posted by Gilgalid

Hello,

Just bumbing around the game list and thought I would just drop a question here:  Is there any end game raiding?  And what kind?  I played WoW all the way to killing Illidan, and that kind of raiding was kind of boring.  I enjoyed the old school EQ days of dragon raiding and such.

Second: I like the idea of grinding XP instead of questing.  That being said how hard is it to find a party?

 

*Cheers*

 

Gil

There is raiding all the way up, not just "end game". Also the "extreme" end game raiding would not be something you would do every day as they are very epic raids with very large Raid Bosses. Some of them can take hours I am told.

This is a grind game and the quests don't really give decent rewards. And since you can't level on quests people just grind.

Also know this is a pvp game and that is a major "end game" (though you can do it at any time) past time.

raiding is from 20 to 40 pretty much where random people form group's off 9 player's or 2 party's (2 party's happen rarer) to kill a raidboss to lvl fast, it is however pretty exespensive to raid at thoes lvl's but very quick exp.

then they's rift raidbosses from 31 to 76 where you pretty much need 9 people (9 is also max for em) to take em down, but it rift bosses dosen't happen often cause with 9 people your group is to big to exp in rift, it mostly only happens in hero rift witch is 76 +.

after that you probly have to get in you 60+ and find a clan with a alliance who raid's random raid bosses.

then for the really big one's it's pretty much 76+ to join in and pvp happen's a lot over theese bosses but it depends on server

Grind XP is my perfered style of lvling.  I remember back in the old school days of EQ just spending HOURS in one spot pulling mobs and lvling on them.  I loved it :)!

What is the player base like?  I know this is an annoying question, but if I am to start something I want to know others are doing it as well.

PvP is fine with me :) I actualy enjoy PvP a lot!

Thanks for the help guys!

*cheers*

Gil

Player's base in L2 is a bit weird, you find those who are extremely competitive and use to be at the top of everything, and then you have those a bit more relaxed who just spend time having fun, I played in bartz, never had any issue with communication and people always replied to my newbie doubts, and from time to time some gave me free buffs to advance faster.

Nowadays I'm aware there are certain servers where you won't find many people on the lower levels, thus why, if you're starting, bartz or teon are the best bets, those are always filled with people.

Overaly though, a mature community, I didn't have problems with kids bothering me, well, at first I did, but back then a lot of people were just testing the game for their first time :P

I am currently just trying to find something to keep me busy till WAR and so far nothing has really "hooked" me.  I play Eve and that is fun, but I miss my hack and slash lol.

Maybe I will give this a try this weekend.

*cheers*

Gil

If you had played wow then you must know the term "tank n spank" is.

Not to bash the game again (like i have done many times) but from my RL friends on devianne i have seen the raids of L2 many times (and i am talking about high end raids).

Raids are not complicated and fall into the tank and spank logic ,you have the tanks the healers the buffers and the nukers distributed in many 9-man parties for maximum buff efficiency on each type.

Then you have the bossfight ,the boss sees you,you see the boss and then the combat begins,sometimes the boss does some special moves that may disorient you or fear you but not complicated stuff and some times may the nukers change target to assist on killing something else ,thats it,not extra complicated stuff like wow pve and raids.

Hell even karazhan is far more difficult than l2 raids.I dont think  there is something in L2 more difficult than ,let's say, shade of Aran.

Flame on.

Bottom line ... if you were bored with wow ,you will fall into hybernation with l2 pve.

I appriciate the honest feed back.

Gil

Originally posted by madrandomize

If you had played wow then you must know the term "tank n spank" is.

 

Not to bash the game again (like i have done many times) but from my RL friends on devianne i have seen the raids of L2 many times (and i am talking about high end raids).

Raids are not complicated and fall into the tank and spank logic ,you have the tanks the healers the buffers and the nukers distributed in many 9-man parties for maximum buff efficiency on each type.

Then you have the bossfight ,the boss sees you,you see the boss and then the combat begins,sometimes the boss does some special moves that may disorient you or fear you but not complicated stuff and some times may the nukers change target to assist on killing something else ,thats it,not extra complicated stuff like wow pve and raids.

 

Hell even karazhan is far more difficult than l2 raids.I dont think  there is something in L2 more difficult than ,let's say, shade of Aran.

 

Flame on.

Bottom line ... if you were bored with wow ,you will fall into hybernation with l2 pve.

If you want to make a point of criticism then contrast and compare. You haven't even given anyone anything effective to flame you on, you post reads as pure conjecture.

If nothing else, please accept that the dynamics, risk vs reward and focus of the two games are entirely different, infact almost diametricaly opposed in ideology.... There is far more to a non instanced L2 raid than you can possibly imagine, other than just its execution, which in itself carries some chellenges albeit these may be dealt with at a separate juncture of the raid since as I said these are two completely different games...

Without understanding what it is that you're trying to compare I can't even begin to formulate a coherent response.

Post some tangible facts if you want a response, otherwise save yourself the time as the forums are full enough of L2 experts who never made it past 2nd class change or as in your case even played the game.

Regards,

Ellyrion Fiallathandriel

The Reckless Knight

Lunatris

Originally posted by Ellyrion

 

 

Originally posted by madrandomize

Lunatris

ok not sure if i understood anything off that but i think madrandomize was just pointing out that raiding in l2 is not like wow so a new player woulden't join up in l2 and execept skill based or a lot off rading...

my own expersince's with raid's in l2 is pretty much tank and spank on every raidboss, but i haven't been at the epic raidbosses ever

Antharas: Ping pong with a middle line of damage, back then we used nukers for the middle line and archers to draw agro on him, we stopped hitting whenever the lizzard agroed one of us, you require someone with macro on the boss to know who's targeting, tho. 36 people are fine if you know how to do it. Melee are useless on this raid cause of the mass stun, which is only launched when many people are together.

Baium: Get a fast runner agroing the angels (TK, SWS or PW) and hit baium with the rest, 18 people are more than enough for him if properly geared.

Zaken: This one is complex cause of the teleport stuff, just put 1 lowbie char in every 2 rooms and get him with a party of level 60s. Destros were the shit for zaken back then.

AQ: Probably you can easy kill it with 2 lowbie parties, get 3 deleveled destros to have frenzy lvl 2 and the others focusing on killing/interrupting nurses, spellsingers work really well with these thanks to skills like aura flare.

Those are all the epics i've killed, and it was between c5 and interlude, maybe they upgraded AI now so who knows if its the same.

its true that i am not a L2 player,its also true that i have not a personal practical experience with L2 (i have not participated in epic raid bosses) but i was standing next to the guy playing them and he explained to me the fight the whole time and yes i have been in valakas and antharas epic raids so far,i have also seen the bot parties killing ant queen many times in the past and i have participated in every little raid boss till lvl 52.

I never talked about risk vs reward so your point is irrelevant,From what i witnessed the pve mechanics of bosses were laughable and i am not talking about the seer dmg they did i am talking about the pve mechanics and only.

I am comparing the 2 games in the pve raid boss aspect ,if you have never played wow then you cant understand the complexity of the raids in it,yes wow is crap on the risk aspect but now we are talking about pve stuff and wow here is the king.

My friend had also 2 boxing the game at the valakas fight ,he was playing a buffer and a healer and he was switching back when he wanted to rebuff,that only tells you that the fight can be done with a number of slackers in the raid party,allow me to explain :the guy had the buffer sitting to restore mana all the time and he was not alone ,there were also another 6 boxed buffers near him ,try to slack in an ssc raid in wow,try to slack in karazhan,try to slack at black temple for 1 sec,then compare the consequences.

I never claimed to be the L2 expert,but i seriously know very well the easy fights of l2 compared to wow.

The only thing that makes them hard is the pre-raid clan vs clan warfare to determine who gets in and the risk of dieing and losing exp,NOTHING else<- both these 2 are not related to pve raids of l2.

Just tank and spank valakas and pinpoint him between the groups of archers,they even didnt kill the paintings.Those are not serious pve mechanics.