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Lord of the Rings Online Forum » General Discussion » Christopher Tolkien speaks out after 40 years...

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  dogdersROC

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12/29/12 9:52:40 PM#61
In some ways, it is no different  what Chris did with compiling his father's work than Jackson adapting his own skewed stories. I am sure there are merits to his argument, but all I feel for him is .... STFU you BEEYOTCH!
  sapphen

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12/29/12 9:58:46 PM#62
Originally posted by MaxJac
Originally posted by VassagoMael
carry on enjoying the two different formats while respecting the limitations of each.

Well put.

I agree.  The movies are a masterpiece in their own rights, as well as the books.  Yes, they are little bit different and somewhat commericalized but it's almost impossible to make exact copies of the same story between two different mediums - only a fool of a took would think otherwise.

I think the movies did the books justice and Christopher Tolkien should be proud to have his father's story made into a collection of great films... at least it wasn't butchered like Eragon's onscreen translation.

  n00bit

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12/29/12 10:08:32 PM#63
I like to think of the book as Bilbo's original copy, but then as time goes on he decides to embelish it a bit and rewrites a new copy with a lot more action; that's the movie.
  Ginaz

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12/30/12 5:45:45 AM#64
Some of the responses here make my neck beard tingle.

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  Draemos

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12/30/12 5:59:08 AM#65

They actually did a fantastic job of keeping LOTR pretty close to the books.  Christopher just comes off as a pretentious intellectual douche who doesn't truly understand why people like his fathers works.  For him it's all about the mythos and world creation, he doesn't recognize the roll the adventure part takes.

 

 

  VonTakala

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12/30/12 6:25:27 AM#66
Originally posted by Draemos

They actually did a fantastic job of keeping LOTR pretty close to the books.  Christopher just comes off as a pretentious intellectual douche who doesn't truly understand why people like his fathers works.  For him it's all about the mythos and world creation, he doesn't recognize the roll the adventure part takes.

 

 

Huh?

They didn't do a single part from the books at all, did you actually watch any of the movies? Maybe 1/6 was based on the book, the rest got completely chopped-out, and the 1/6 that was in there was TOTALLY rewritten using different dialgues and different settings and everything else. 

When I saw The Hobbit it just about made me laugh it was so stupid. Nothing to do with the book at all, aside from a vaguely 'middle earth' sorta-kinda setting. Granted they didnt have a special cameo with Harry Potter, followed by an epic battle with Godzilla and the Ents of Fanghorn Forest and the Incredible Hulk, or an epic sorcery rap-music cameo using spliced footage of Adam Yauch and dancing Orcs holding McDonalds 'happy meals'.... But they did just about everything except that to murder any semblance to the original writing.

Where the hell is Azog riding around on a white warg with one hand missing in book? Oh right, never. Where does Gandalf duel the Great Goblin and stab him while making cutesy Potter-esqe remarks? Oh right, never. Where is the Goblin Town in the Misty Mountains that's completely tunnels and caves ONLY, not wodden bridges like a crap Disney theme park? Oh right, never. Even the original beginning where they meet gets butchered... where are the scenes of the dwarves all smoking their heads off like in the book? Oh right, not there, smoking is 'taboo' you don't want little Potter pisspants seeing people doing something like smoke. I could go on scene by scene by scene if you'd like, because I literally cannot find EVEN ONE single scene in The Hobbit that has any semblance to the book at all.

It's like Evequest: The Movie or something... Very disappointed, even more than with the LOTR films assuming that was even possible. Christopher Tolkein's complaints are 100% valid, because ANY AND ALL complaints about The Hobbit movie are valid.

  Axxar

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12/30/12 6:59:03 AM#67
I think J.R.R Tolkien would have loved the movies, including The Hobbit.

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  Rusque

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12/30/12 7:11:13 AM#68
Originally posted by Axxar
I think J.R.R Tolkien would have loved the movies, including The Hobbit.

Agreed, I think his family is still living in his shadow and complaining out of jealousy.

They seem to forget that Tolkien didn't write the books because he wanted to be remembed for his literary work, he wrote them to create a world for his languages to live in.  He was a linguist who managed to become the grandfather of modern fantasy by accident.

  Icewhite

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12/30/12 7:39:02 AM#69
Originally posted by Cameron27

I don't know why everyone is hating on this Tolkien guy.

Chris is angry that he failed to negotiate as sweet a deal as Rowling. His descendants are only fully funded for two more generations, he wanted three.

What's not to dislike? :shrug:

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Draemos

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12/30/12 7:51:03 AM#70
Originally posted by aktalat
Originally posted by Draemos

They actually did a fantastic job of keeping LOTR pretty close to the books.  Christopher just comes off as a pretentious intellectual douche who doesn't truly understand why people like his fathers works.  For him it's all about the mythos and world creation, he doesn't recognize the roll the adventure part takes.

 

 

Huh?

They didn't do a single part from the books at all, did you actually watch any of the movies? Maybe 1/6 was based on the book, the rest got completely chopped-out, and the 1/6 that was in there was TOTALLY rewritten using different dialgues and different settings and everything else. 

When I saw The Hobbit it just about made me laugh it was so stupid. Nothing to do with the book at all, aside from a vaguely 'middle earth' sorta-kinda setting. Granted they didnt have a special cameo with Harry Potter, followed by an epic battle with Godzilla and the Ents of Fanghorn Forest and the Incredible Hulk, or an epic sorcery rap-music cameo using spliced footage of Adam Yauch and dancing Orcs holding McDonalds 'happy meals'.... But they did just about everything except that to murder any semblance to the original writing.

Where the hell is Azog riding around on a white warg with one hand missing in book? Oh right, never. Where does Gandalf duel the Great Goblin and stab him while making cutesy Potter-esqe remarks? Oh right, never. Where is the Goblin Town in the Misty Mountains that's completely tunnels and caves ONLY, not wodden bridges like a crap Disney theme park? Oh right, never. Even the original beginning where they meet gets butchered... where are the scenes of the dwarves all smoking their heads off like in the book? Oh right, not there, smoking is 'taboo' you don't want little Potter pisspants seeing people doing something like smoke. I could go on scene by scene by scene if you'd like, because I literally cannot find EVEN ONE single scene in The Hobbit that has any semblance to the book at all.

It's like Evequest: The Movie or something... Very disappointed, even more than with the LOTR films assuming that was even possible. Christopher Tolkein's complaints are 100% valid, because ANY AND ALL complaints about The Hobbit movie are valid.

Huh?  Did you actually read my comment.  I said LOTR, not the hobbit.  The hobbit is obviously not sticking to the story, it would only have lasted one movie.

  ShakyMo

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12/30/12 8:02:48 AM#71
Lol at 1/6th

Hyperbole much?
  erictlewis

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12/30/12 9:01:21 AM#72


Originally posted by Draemos
They actually did a fantastic job of keeping LOTR pretty close to the books.  Christopher just comes off as a pretentious intellectual douche who doesn't truly understand why people like his fathers works.  For him it's all about the mythos and world creation, he doesn't recognize the roll the adventure part takes.

 

 


What???

Runekeeper for one were never in the book. Loremaster aso like a wizard class running around in droves not in the books. Thousands of hobbits of on an adventure not in the book. Elves in great quantities wandering all around. However keeping with the books, no they did not there has been tons of discussions in the lotro forums about how lore breaking the game was compared to the books.

  pwain

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12/30/12 9:06:47 AM#73
Originally posted by erictlewis

 


Originally posted by Draemos
They actually did a fantastic job of keeping LOTR pretty close to the books.  Christopher just comes off as a pretentious intellectual douche who doesn't truly understand why people like his fathers works.  For him it's all about the mythos and world creation, he doesn't recognize the roll the adventure part takes.

 

 

 


 

What???

Runekeeper for one were never in the book. Loremaster aso like a wizard class running around in droves not in the books. Thousands of hobbits of on an adventure not in the book. Elves in great quantities wandering all around. However keeping with the books, no they did not there has been tons of discussions in the lotro forums about how lore breaking the game was compared to the books.

There is a quest where the player have to kill 6-7 people in the forrest to bring back a handkerchief. Lotro is not close to the books, not one bit.

  Scarfe

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12/30/12 9:10:25 AM#74

Didn't he pull together that god awful half finished book his gramps wrote?  Its on my bookshelf but can't be bothered to go to it to check the title.  Think he should have some kudos for boring us all to tears. 

Went to check but wasn't there, think it is the first book I have ever burned, ironically F451 was there. 

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  Po_gg

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12/30/12 9:14:15 AM#75
Originally posted by erictlewis

 


Originally posted by Draemos
They actually did a fantastic job of keeping LOTR pretty close to the books.  Christopher just comes off as a pretentious intellectual douche who doesn't truly understand why people like his fathers works.  For him it's all about the mythos and world creation, he doesn't recognize the roll the adventure part takes.

 

 

 


 

What???

Runekeeper for one were never in the book. Loremaster aso like a wizard class running around in droves not in the books. Thousands of hobbits of on an adventure not in the book. Elves in great quantities wandering all around. However keeping with the books, no they did not there has been tons of discussions in the lotro forums about how lore breaking the game was compared to the books.

While you're somewhat right, Draemos's post was referring LotR and not LotRO. It doesn't help of course on the fact that the whole post is dumb :) since it IS all about myth and world and language creation, along with history and a lot of other stuff far beyond action and CGI combat. (don't get me wrong, I love the movies, just love the books better. And LotRO too :) )

  Doogiehowser

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12/30/12 9:17:29 AM#76
Originally posted by grafh

Money isnt everything to some people. I think i would not support any director who would change my story from what it was, to an action flick.

The Hobbit is my favorite book, and i dont want to see the movie cause i know it will dissapoint me if i compare it to the book.

Then again thats just my personal opinion. 

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  Scarfe

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12/30/12 9:19:09 AM#77
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by grafh

Money isnt everything to some people. I think i would not support any director who would change my story from what it was, to an action flick.

The Hobbit is my favorite book, and i dont want to see the movie cause i know it will dissapoint me if i compare it to the book.

Then again thats just my personal opinion. 

Money isn't everything for some people because those some people already have it.

so true, so true... do you look like that old geezer out of karate kid?

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  User Deleted
12/30/12 9:20:30 AM#78

Obviously he is slightly confused about how movies work.

Movies can never replace the depth of books, they simply arent long enough. The LOTR movies could never have worked any other way.

Did they miss some stuff I wish they hadn't? Sure. I mean, Tom Bombadil and the barrows was one of my favourite parts.

Did the story not work because of it? No.

  Scarfe

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12/30/12 9:22:39 AM#79
Originally posted by evilastro

Obviously he is slightly confused about how movies work.

Movies can never replace the depth of books, they simply arent long enough. The LOTR movies could never have worked any other way.

Did they miss some stuff I wish they hadn't? Sure. I mean, Tom Bombadil and the barrows was one of my favourite parts.

Did the story not work because of it? No.

You know Tom Bombadil, I have actually had dreams were he just turns up at the end and kicks the shit out of everyone.  What a great character.  Refuses Frodo's ring, not even Samwise could do that. 

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  User Deleted
12/30/12 9:26:47 AM#80
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by evilastro

Obviously he is slightly confused about how movies work.

Movies can never replace the depth of books, they simply arent long enough. The LOTR movies could never have worked any other way.

Did they miss some stuff I wish they hadn't? Sure. I mean, Tom Bombadil and the barrows was one of my favourite parts.

Did the story not work because of it? No.

You know Tom Bombadil, I have actually had dreams were he just turns up at the end and kicks the shit out of everyone.  What a great character.  Refuses Frodo's ring, not even Samwise could do that. 

 The whole part would have been very confusing to people unaware of Tolkien's world at the start of the first movie though. I agree though, great character.

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