The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

Who wins the final battle ? The evil fails , how would you build a complete game world of content for failure?  Pretty ridiculous, no ?

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

Please define what "real" PvP is.

If you think PvP is all about ganking in the open, then you're sorely mistaken.  There are many different aspects of it, such as instanced Battlegrounds in WoW, or mini games in AoC.  In LotRO, it's regulated to one zone only.

Speaking of AoC, is it "real" PvP, since the majority of their PvP servers are FFA?

The developers decided to have no open world PVP because they thought it wouldn't make fit in with the Lore.

I totally disagree (there are plenty different forms of open world PVP that would not contradict the lore), but there you have it.

Lore lore lore... that's what limits this game from it's full potential. Even though most players wouldnt agree.

I have no idea why lore is such a big deal. This is a game were my shitty champion can kill legolas no problem, can walk from bree to rivendell in 5-10 minutes, and can turn into a chicken.

lWell I guess it is not the game for you , hopefully warhammer will have what your looking for . Think when you have an IP like Warhammer it lends itself a lot better to pvp then something like LotrO. I was never into warhammer rts, or stradegy games, but I'm a huge LotR fan since I was a kid.

To go over this issue like you are discussing something new , it simply asinine, use the search function next time.... be well in Warhammer !

Why do all mmos have to have pvp?

This is a game I play to get away from kids running around looking to gank people who are 20 levels below them.  /golfclap

You want pvp? Go to the Ettenmoors and have at it.  In Middle-earth the War of the Ring only raged in a handful of areas.

I think what gives Lotro so much of its appeal right now is its cut down pvp like it has. The player base is levels above just about any other mmo out there right now.

When you visit the forums you do not have to wade through hundreds of doom and gloom posts or I quit posts. You can easily find lots of good information there.

With the pvp the way it is, it fits right into the lore and also lets the developers focus on the PVE side of the game without having to worry about if a change will imbalance the pvp or not. They also do not have to juggle between adding PVE content or PVP content. Everything for the most part is focused on PVE and it really shows in the quality and amount of content they freely add into the game every 2-3 months.

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

Let's look at how the lore is set up. We know tons about how the good side lives. the towns and areas they call home. We know that they have a social structure that is explained in the books.

What do we really know about the evil races in the books. Other than they are the slaves of sauron or saruman. They have no real social structure they basically live like animals in caves. So they have no major cities or towns to say for the devs to use in implementing them.

What is obvious to you isn't necesarily the right thing for this game. True there is the conflict of good and evil that is a driving force for the fellowship to destroy the ring but that is just that a driving force. The books are about so much more than the war for the ring. It is about knocking down barriers between the free races that have kept them at odds with each other. About forging friendships with those you would otherwise aviod.

There is so much more to the books than war. At times i wish the trilogy would of been named something other than the war of the ring. It seems people see that name for the trilogy and assume that is all the books are about.

So no it is not to alot of people the most perfect or obvious setting for a PVP game.

To have factional warfare in a MMO you need 2 equal sides fighting... there is nothing in the books to support an Evil faction since the evil side are just mindless evil slaves who follow Saurons orders... If you want to PvP roll a monster and go out and hunt some hobbits.. there is nothing stopping you..

This is not WoW... (and you cant play as the Burning legion there can you?)

Honestly... Turbine follows the lore a little too much.

Sure you get a free lvl50 monster out of it, but they are weak as hell. I remember during the 3day trial i did, i made a monster, and even with several of us, we couldnt kill a few players...

You know a company is too strict with lore that no matter what, monsters dont win unless they charge the heroes in a huge drove and gnasing teeth and howls of rage... :\

Originally posted by Cursedsei

Honestly... Turbine follows the lore a little too much.

Sure you get a free lvl50 monster out of it, but they are weak as hell. I remember during the 3day trial i did, i made a monster, and even with several of us, we couldnt kill a few players...

You know a company is too strict with lore that no matter what, monsters dont win unless they charge the heroes in a huge drove and gnasing teeth and howls of rage... :\

They follow the lore too much? Knew there was a reason I have never stopped playing this game. ;)