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Lord of the Rings Online Forum » General Discussion » I decided to try out LOTRO the other day but why must I download 16.9GB of data when the game is highly restricted to free players?

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  C.L.O.U.D

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Joined: 1/07/06
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1/04/13 11:36:14 PM#41
Originally posted by DancingQueen

I have a wireless internet connection with a monthly limit of 20GB though I can buy extra in 1GB and 10GB increments but why am I forced to download all of the content when I don't have access to it?

Not a smart move by Turbine and needless to say I quickly cancelled my download of the game.

I hope that Turbine wise up in the near future and only prompts to download the content that the free player has access to and not all the friggin 16.9GB.

If you don't understand how the game works then that is your fault. There isn't a stand alone client for just F2P players, you play  on the same client along side the rest of the LoTR population. So thus you MUST download the whole game or else it wouldn't work. This is also done to make you want to subscribe or buy coins. Honestly, if you want to try mmo's out today most of them are now free to play, but you might as well just pay the $15 and upgrade to a full subscribed account and access all the game has to offer. It's the only real way to get a sense if you will enjoy the game. Don't tell me you can't afford to spend $15 either, if you can't  afford that you prob should not being spending time on a game anyway.

 

I just started playing SWTOR 3 days ago and I already subscribed. You are so limited with free trials that it makes most games unenjoyable to play. 

  pioneer08

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1/05/13 12:05:41 AM#42
Originally posted by DancingQueen
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by kevjards
i,m lost..you should be d/loading the full game at once..it might take a few restarts but it should all install at once really

the OP is angry that  s/he have to download the full game to do the free trial stuff...

 

But if i am not completley wrong i think  you can do pretty much all of the original game as a free player so you would have  amassive download any way.

 

As for the reason, weill it is simple. The idea is that you will like the game and become a member and they do not want you to have to sit and wait for a few hours once you do the lead.

 

It is pretty simple.

Well it's stupid to be forced to download the entire content at once when you could download the expansion content when you have access to it as many people like me has a limit on how much data they can download each month.

Well you are not the majority when it comes to the MMO player base.  You blaming this on Turbine is childish, so lets say they let you download 1gb and then you liked the game are you still going to blame Turbine because you can't play a game you now like because you have some piss poor internet provider? 

  dreamscaper

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1/05/13 5:16:02 AM#43
Originally posted by pioneer08
Originally posted by DancingQueen
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by kevjards
i,m lost..you should be d/loading the full game at once..it might take a few restarts but it should all install at once really

the OP is angry that  s/he have to download the full game to do the free trial stuff...

 

But if i am not completley wrong i think  you can do pretty much all of the original game as a free player so you would have  amassive download any way.

 

As for the reason, weill it is simple. The idea is that you will like the game and become a member and they do not want you to have to sit and wait for a few hours once you do the lead.

 

It is pretty simple.

Well it's stupid to be forced to download the entire content at once when you could download the expansion content when you have access to it as many people like me has a limit on how much data they can download each month.

Well you are not the majority when it comes to the MMO player base.  You blaming this on Turbine is childish, so lets say they let you download 1gb and then you liked the game are you still going to blame Turbine because you can't play a game you now like because you have some piss poor internet provider? 

 

I'm not sure why everyone is attacking the OP so much about this. Yes, the ISP part is a pain. But WoW, EQ2, and others all allow streaming installs that allow you to play after a small base amount which is exactly what the OP needs.

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  sudo

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1/05/13 5:53:20 AM#44

Dancing Queen, you have to understand that while some companies like Blizzard do have such options, to play their game with partly downloadable content, it requires A LOT of developement and is very costy to the company to implement. I'm quite sure that Turbine simply realized that the developement cost isn't worth losing whichever number of costumers with limited bandwith who could party download their game and probably buy it, after trying it for free.

Moreover, it's only logical that costumers who are cheap enough to pay for a limited internet package will be just as cheap with their game and will most probably either play only the free content, without ever buying anything or will only buy the cheapest mininal deal possibe.

If you look at this situation from a business point, I bet you'll understand Turbine quite well.

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Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."
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  WhiteLantern

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1/05/13 6:08:14 AM#45
Originally posted by sudo

Dancing Queen, you have to understand that while some companies like Blizzard do have such options, to play their game with partly downloadable content, it requires A LOT of developement and is very costy to the company to implement. I'm quite sure that Turbine simply realized that the developement cost isn't worth losing whichever number of costumers with limited bandwith who could party download their game and probably buy it, after trying it for free.

Moreover, it's only logical that costumers who are cheap enough to pay for a limited internet package will be just as cheap with their game and will most probably either play only the free content, without ever buying anything or will only buy the cheapest mininal deal possibe.

If you look at this situation from a business point, I bet you'll understand Turbine quite well.

Although the rest of your points are valid, keep in mind that not everyone has access to anything other than a "limited internet package".

As I've stated before in threads such as these, I, too, have limited access. I now have a whopping 27gb/mo package! Before that became available, I had to use a cell modem and had a 5gb/mo limit. Not trying to whine here, but some people need to realize that Comcast doesn't exist everywhere.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  versulas

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1/05/13 6:46:08 AM#46
Originally posted by DancingQueen

More like OP came, we were all rude to OP and then OP were rude back (what a surprise) and I can't find any 600MB client so Turbine must have hidden it well but I don't care about this game anymore, I will play TERA and have fun tonight.

 

=/

Tera's system req. page says you need 25GB free for the download (not counting the unpacking/install)... Probably more now. As you've likely learned already (unless you're trolling ofc), games pack a bit more oomph these days. Hell, back in 2008, I remember downloading 30+GB for AoC w/o any patches/expansions, so the LOTRO package is actually a pretty good deal.

Some comparisons (though, admittedly, it could change depending on method of download/compression): The Secret World: 33GB client, SWTOR: 27GB client, GW2: ~25GB client.

As worlds get bigger, graphics get better, and expectations rise, your ISP cap will become more and more unreasonable.

  Vannor

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1/05/13 6:50:26 AM#47
Like other have said.. get better internet. Trying to blame Turbine for this problem is disgusting. Not every game was designed with a streaming client in mind.. or capable of being converted to one.
  3-4thElf

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1/05/13 6:51:45 AM#48
Originally posted by SwampDragons
It's turbines fault your internet supplier sucks?

This, and LotRO's F2P isn't that restrictive at all honestly. There's a lot of content to buy of course, but there's a lot of content you have access too as well.

You can travel anywhere, gain TP via deeds and tasks, you can put 5 or 7 bucks here and there and buy quest packs as you progress in the game at your leisure. It's free to download and you're bitching it's taking too long? 

MAN I really want to go to Chicago, but it's a long drive or flight. Guess I won't then. Problem solved.

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  Elikal

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1/05/13 10:50:15 AM#49
Highly restricted? I think LOTRO has more free content that most MMOs. It has had so many expansions, so of course the game by now is large. *shrug*

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  huskerman34

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1/06/13 11:50:44 AM#50
Man stop crying. You dont have to pay for this game if you dont want to. Remember nothing in ife is free except an ass whooping and death oh and water depending where your at in the world. Turbine has it set up for you to win either way. 

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  DancingQueen

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OP  1/09/13 2:55:09 AM#51
Originally posted by versulas
Originally posted by DancingQueen

More like OP came, we were all rude to OP and then OP were rude back (what a surprise) and I can't find any 600MB client so Turbine must have hidden it well but I don't care about this game anymore, I will play TERA and have fun tonight.

 

=/

Tera's system req. page says you need 25GB free for the download (not counting the unpacking/install)... Probably more now. As you've likely learned already (unless you're trolling ofc), games pack a bit more oomph these days. Hell, back in 2008, I remember downloading 30+GB for AoC w/o any patches/expansions, so the LOTRO package is actually a pretty good deal.

Some comparisons (though, admittedly, it could change depending on method of download/compression): The Secret World: 33GB client, SWTOR: 27GB client, GW2: ~25GB client.

As worlds get bigger, graphics get better, and expectations rise, your ISP cap will become more and more unreasonable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

  bugse82

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Joined: 5/17/09
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1/13/13 1:19:56 AM#52
Originally posted by DancingQueen
Originally posted by versulas
Originally posted by DancingQueen

More like OP came, we were all rude to OP and then OP were rude back (what a surprise) and I can't find any 600MB client so Turbine must have hidden it well but I don't care about this game anymore, I will play TERA and have fun tonight.

 

=/

Tera's system req. page says you need 25GB free for the download (not counting the unpacking/install)... Probably more now. As you've likely learned already (unless you're trolling ofc), games pack a bit more oomph these days. Hell, back in 2008, I remember downloading 30+GB for AoC w/o any patches/expansions, so the LOTRO package is actually a pretty good deal.

Some comparisons (though, admittedly, it could change depending on method of download/compression): The Secret World: 33GB client, SWTOR: 27GB client, GW2: ~25GB client.

As worlds get bigger, graphics get better, and expectations rise, your ISP cap will become more and more unreasonable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

  jedensuscg

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1/13/13 1:30:15 AM#53

I do see where the OP is coming from.

 

I recently returned to LOTRO and the download was annoying.  16gigs is alot.  I am also on a data cap, though far more lenient at 125 gigs a month.  Of course I had characters in Moria so needed all the data.  But someone trying for the first time can be put off with a 16gig download just to try the game out.

Most other decent MMO's are going to a lighter client.  WoW started it, and Rift does it as well.  Rift allows you to play up to level 20 free.  To download the game, you just do a pre-download of like 1 or 2 gigs, which is starting content, and the rest downloads as you play.  But you get a pretty good idea of the game in the early levels and decide if you want to keep playing, before the game fully downloads.

Hell even Pirates online, a sub-AAA game downloads content as you need it.

 

LOTRO has gone to a new distrubution method, which does the preload of a gig or so and then lets you play.  However, you can't log into the game if your not actively downloading in the background, and the service fucking blows and half the time wont even connect.  So you are forced to download via steam or the original pando media booster download.

  faxnadu

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1/15/13 9:14:24 AM#54
i also returned playing lotro eventho years back i bought all the boxes and after codemaster sold the whole **** to turbine and i was playing some other games and didnt make required account transfers my old account with original box and 2 expansions were wiped out and i needed to buy them again. so now i returned once again and only to notice and huge dissapointment that they have nerfed the graphics really badly eventho with ultra high settings on everyhting it looks bad. and i actually saw one website some guy was writing with this issue back in 2011 and i see the same issues still around so turbne have no intrests repairing engine or making any changes. guess lower overall graphics " forced " is to gather more low spec comp owners to try and play a game and even spend money to buy one cape from cash shop.. as a huge fan of middle earth the only thing keeping me occupied for awhile again with this game is story invented by mr tolkien ruined by mr turbine. ( sad face )
  Lobotomist

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1/15/13 9:18:29 AM#55
You can enter every area in game. Even those expansions you dont own
  faxnadu

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1/15/13 9:27:04 AM#56
Originally posted by Lobotomist
You can enter every area in game. Even those expansions you dont own

my problem wasnt entering the area , i need to activate the quests with turbine points and my main problem was overall graphic nerf. 

  AvsRock21

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1/15/13 5:25:11 PM#57
Originally posted by m0lly
Originally posted by Lobotomist
You can enter every area in game. Even those expansions you dont own

my problem wasnt entering the area , i need to activate the quests with turbine points and my main problem was overall graphic nerf. 

 

Sounds like you installed the low-res version of the game. You don't need to pay or have a subscription to download and install the high-res version.

  MMOGamer71

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1/16/13 10:55:34 PM#58
Originally posted by AvsRock21
Originally posted by m0lly
Originally posted by Lobotomist
You can enter every area in game. Even those expansions you dont own

my problem wasnt entering the area , i need to activate the quests with turbine points and my main problem was overall graphic nerf. 

 

Sounds like you installed the low-res version of the game. You don't need to pay or have a subscription to download and install the high-res version.

Yeah sounds like Low Res installation.

The "issue" with MMO development is that there are TOO MANY suits and not enough gamers making games.

  Thenextbigthing

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1/27/13 10:42:02 AM#59
Originally posted by DancingQueen

I have a wireless internet connection with a monthly limit of 20GB though I can buy extra in 1GB and 10GB increments but why am I forced to download all of the content when I don't have access to it?

Not a smart move by Turbine and needless to say I quickly cancelled my download of the game.

I hope that Turbine wise up in the near future and only prompts to download the content that the free player has access to and not all the friggin 16.9GB.

 

The free content is probably 16.9 gig by now. It's a massive game even for f2p.

  Thenextbigthing

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1/27/13 10:51:32 AM#60
Originally posted by m0lly
Originally posted by Lobotomist
You can enter every area in game. Even those expansions you dont own

my problem wasnt entering the area , i need to activate the quests with turbine points and my main problem was overall graphic nerf. 

 

This is just not true i'm afraid. Graphics, textures etc.... are better than at launch and new npc and mob models have improved especially since Rohan. The only thing that hasn't change a whole lot (unfortunately) is the PC models.

 

I was in Bree earlier, the influx if refugees from Rohan looks amazing and the models for the Rohirrim are excellent. Colours have improved as well. In fact for a 5 year old game this looks as good as anything out there, and a thousand times better than SWtoR.

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