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Lord of the Rings Online Forum » General Discussion » Massive game breaking exploit - And the coverup.

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  Wendetta

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Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 33

I have been in a Banned.

 
OP  9/20/12 7:52:54 PM#21
Originally posted by Izik

I'm sure they'll get around to fixing it before RoR. Tbh dude if people are playing Lotro for pvp then they are playing the wrong game. Possibly some of the worst pvp on the market in this game :/ So many other games do it better. Not that that's any excuse for this exploit to fly, but I really don't think pvp is a priority for Turbine.

Yes, like you say the PvP in this game is an unbalanced mess that favours the "good" side. But I wasnt bitching about the PvP was I?

 

You misunderstood me when I used the term "freeps". This exploit is applicable to only the 'Blue' side of the ring and Yes it also sticks as far as PvE goes. People have been running their exploited toons through Foundry, Saruman and whatever raid/instance the game has to offer. And thats why I said that this exploit gives the poor player an excuse to screw around with LotRO's highlighting point: its PvE gaming.

So consider people running toons with ridiculously high padded stats like the one I posted and consider the impact it might have on PvE raids. And after that, consider Turbine / Warner's stance on keeping mum on the subject instead of putting down the law and punishing the exploiters.

Proud Member of the A.F-D-A. [Anti Fanboy-Defense-Army]Association for a Better Tomorrow or [A.F-D-A.]AfaBT, in short.

  Wendetta

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Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 33

I have been in a Banned.

 
OP  9/20/12 8:07:35 PM#22
Originally posted by Uhwop

Funny thing is, the OP is doing more harm then the people that use the exploit. 

Congratulatins for letting people who didn't know there was such an exploit know, so that they can come to the game and use it.  Ever think that maybe, just maybe, this is why they don't want you talking about it on the official forums and why they aren't openly talking about it themselves?  To minimize the number of people who are aware of it until such a time as they're able to fix it. 

Nope, there's always a few people who think they're ahead of the game and figured out that the big bad video game company is running a cover up because they don't care, then sperg about the issue all over various forums so that even more people are aware that such an issue exists.

Good job OP.  There's a reason you're not allowed to discuss exploits.

 Tell me Sir, how am I doing them "Harm" by showing this coverup the light of day? 

 

I have adhered to all posing rules by NOT POSTING how to cheat. This thread is to show the mmorpg.com readers that such a problem exists right under the developer's nose and they dont care enough to enforce their own License Agreement. I can, as a game modder, think about a immediate quickfix to prevent further stat padding until a full fledged patch can be developed. Fixing the leak isnt the problem. But the problem lies on the water that has already leaked out. 

 

Turbine / Time Warner WONT acknowledge the problem because doing so would mean >> They know of the exploit >> Will need to enforce their own rules and ban the exploiters >> God forbid they ban VIP players and lose subscription >> Will lead to bad publicity due to their poor coding and managing skills >> More subs lost.

So instead they take the coward's way out by muting all the voices that speak out on this exploit and keep a tight lid on public awareness even though people spread around the methods to exploit among their Kin and friends in hushed whispers. And best part, no need to worry about losing subs due to bans / bad publicity. This is what Turbine / Warner are doing as of now.

 

And again, Im not discussing on HOW to exploit. But I am showing others that such a problem exists and what stance the game house has taken towards the issue at hand. I am sure it is all blissful to live a naive little world where everyone should shut up and bear the bullshit of other's actions and inactions, but please dont commend me on doing a job when you got no clue what you are talking about. 

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  Wendetta

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I have been in a Banned.

 
OP  9/20/12 8:30:20 PM#23
Originally posted by Loktofeit
 

To start, they probably already are working on something, however no dev will ever say "Hey, for those that didnt know yet, there's this issue that really needs to be fixed because it gives a big advantage. We're trying to solve it and will implement a fix soon," because that just triggers a wave of people trying to drink from the golden well before the flow is shut off.

Forget about the extra work you are creating for the entire CS team and the nonsense you help to put the PR team through,

  • - you exacerbate the short term effects of the problem by driving more people to the exploit
  • - you contribute to a Fix Now scenario rather than the more optimal Fix Right scenario
  • - you further damage your server community or economy (whichever exploit x is affecting) by accelerating the rate of damage that gets done long term

As someone who has been through this crap multiple times over the past decade and a half as a journalist, site manager and dev, I can tell you for a fact you are making a difference - you are making a bigger mess for the developer and you are creating more problems for an entire game community.

 

Some ways to help out in cases like this:

  • - contribute feedback through petitions and bug report systems
  • - work with the devs on the test servers to solve the problem
  • - constructively discuss it on the threads that are allowed. if none, then understand there is a greater reason for that.
  • - report those you see using the bugs
  • - watch for and relay any official announcements on the matter

You more than lkely won't get feedback from many of those approaches. That doesn't mean they didn't read it or aren't doing anything. That you don't see or hear about work being done on it doesn't mean they aren't.

 

I know you don't believe a word of this. I know you are convinced you are the stalwart champion of justice here. This message isn't really for you. It's for others so that they can positively help their player community, work toward solutions with the devs, and don't do the same misguided damage that you are doing.

 

I assure you good Sir, at the end of the day it comes down to Priorities.

 

You make good points and put forth a convincing argument. But I do not know if you are aware of the state of this game. Bugs have existed here for Years. Exploiters have been dicking around for Years too. People have been reported over and over again. And strangly its only when the problem is brought to the public's eye is when action MAY be taken. It shows a complete lack of integrity. Of all the 'Positive feedback' methods you have mentioned, people have been doing it for a long long time and the general response from the developer's end would be:

1st time report a player / exploit : Dev says, "Yea we know about the problem."

2 Months after, reporting the same existing problem: Dev says, "Yea we know about the problem."

6 months later, reporting the same problem: Dev says, "Yea we know about the problem, but devs cant intervene in such instances. Now stop reporting what we already know."

You report the problem again: Dev says, "Ok Ive had it with you ticket abuser, exploit the ticket reporting again and I`ll get you banned." And you are 100% sure that this guy is giving you the finger behind the monitor screen.

 

 

So, since you state that you have been/are a journalist, among other things, can you not ascertain the lack of ethics involved in this matter? I can compare it to degree of editing and quality check a Popular Statewide Daily newspaper might undergo to that of a sleazy weekend tabloid print. The former cares about seeing to it that their work is pristine clear of any errors and false content while the latter will jump at any gossip from a friend of a friend of a cousin's ex who saw a celebrity with her blouse down in a club.

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  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5630

9/20/12 10:36:39 PM#24
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Some ways to help out in cases like this:

  • - contribute feedback through petitions and bug report systems
  • - work with the devs on the test servers to solve the problem
  • - constructively discuss it on the threads that are allowed. if none, then understand there is a greater reason for that.
  • - report those you see using the bugs
  • - watch for and relay any official announcements on the matter

Normally I would agree with you, but not with Turbine and LotRO.  This bug, along wiht several others, have been around for a long time.  Bug reports have done nothing.  It's time to stop cutting Turbine any slack.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Po_gg

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Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 1986

9/21/12 2:37:35 AM#25
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Normally I would agree with you, but not with Turbine and LotRO.  This bug, along wiht several others, have been around for a long time.  Bug reports have done nothing.  It's time to stop cutting Turbine any slack.

Just like the envelope exploit, they receive tickets, forum posts, even pm's and just looked the other way.

And it's not even Turbine-specific problem, EA does the same with reported hackers, Sony did the same with macroers in DCUO (did, because finally they banned a few of them), Funcom did it with comboskippers (a buddy of mine even got kicked by a GM... when he saw a cheater, he said to him 'Dude, stop this lame comboskipping' ... BAM. you said comboskipping in chat. The cheater laughed his head off, and continued)

Dunno why companies think if they don't talk about something, that will disappear. Sure, they can govern and moderate their own forums, but there's this new stuff called internet :) Turning away won't solve anything. And publicity CAN help, Sony's banhammer activated after someone, high enough in the food chain, saw the many youtube collections of cheating players. (Or this was just the official story, and they banned them for their conscience's sake :) )

  ScribbleLay1

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Joined: 11/07/08
Posts: 181

9/22/12 12:03:56 AM#26

comboskipping?

 

  Tamanous

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 1693

10/06/12 7:50:29 PM#27

Conspiracy theorists unite!

 

Just because you haven't heard an official response does not mean it isn't known by Turbine. Jumping to conclusions due to lack of information is as bad as misinterpreting given information. Every single mmo I have ever played has had bugs that were never fixed since release. Even Wow STILL has them. The issue to a combination of extremely hard to replicate bugs and bugs caused by limitations in the very engine the game is built on.

 

It is obvious that Turbine chooses not to focus on that area of the game at this time. I would highly suggest waiting until the expansion drops when the dev team can refocus on other matters, use all avenues of communication available to the players to communicate the impotance of the issue and to stop frothing at the mouth on forums Turbine will never see. Chain responding 50 replies denouncing every other contributor with differing ideas does not help a cause.

You stay sassy!

  avalon1000

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 720

10/11/12 12:10:40 AM#28
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Some ways to help out in cases like this:

  • - contribute feedback through petitions and bug report systems
  • - work with the devs on the test servers to solve the problem
  • - constructively discuss it on the threads that are allowed. if none, then understand there is a greater reason for that.
  • - report those you see using the bugs
  • - watch for and relay any official announcements on the matter

Normally I would agree with you, but not with Turbine and LotRO.  This bug, along wiht several others, have been around for a long time.  Bug reports have done nothing.  It's time to stop cutting Turbine any slack.

Agreed and agree with OP. Turbine is not the Turbine it used to be. They need to stop milking the IP and get to Mordor. All of Rohan should have been released in this Expac. The game is sinking fast (89 on in glff the other night vs. 0ver 400 last year on any given night).

  Gaborik

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Joined: 2/10/08
Posts: 313

10/11/12 3:45:37 PM#29
Originally posted by avalon1000
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Some ways to help out in cases like this:

  • - contribute feedback through petitions and bug report systems
  • - work with the devs on the test servers to solve the problem
  • - constructively discuss it on the threads that are allowed. if none, then understand there is a greater reason for that.
  • - report those you see using the bugs
  • - watch for and relay any official announcements on the matter

Normally I would agree with you, but not with Turbine and LotRO.  This bug, along wiht several others, have been around for a long time.  Bug reports have done nothing.  It's time to stop cutting Turbine any slack.

Agreed and agree with OP. Turbine is not the Turbine it used to be. They need to stop milking the IP and get to Mordor. All of Rohan should have been released in this Expac. The game is sinking fast (89 on in glff the other night vs. 0ver 400 last year on any given night).

 

1st you must not have been around when the game first was released They have a ten year license and their plan is to run for ten years. 2nd its very normal for an mmo to have fewer players on before a new expansion especially when you just had two major releases in the market GW2 ans MOP. Have no fear my friend you 400 on glff will be back plus some in less then a week.
  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5630

10/11/12 4:44:23 PM#30
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by avalon1000
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Some ways to help out in cases like this:

  • - contribute feedback through petitions and bug report systems
  • - work with the devs on the test servers to solve the problem
  • - constructively discuss it on the threads that are allowed. if none, then understand there is a greater reason for that.
  • - report those you see using the bugs
  • - watch for and relay any official announcements on the matter

Normally I would agree with you, but not with Turbine and LotRO.  This bug, along wiht several others, have been around for a long time.  Bug reports have done nothing.  It's time to stop cutting Turbine any slack.

Agreed and agree with OP. Turbine is not the Turbine it used to be. They need to stop milking the IP and get to Mordor. All of Rohan should have been released in this Expac. The game is sinking fast (89 on in glff the other night vs. 0ver 400 last year on any given night).

1st you must not have been around when the game first was released They have a ten year license and their plan is to run for ten years. 2nd its very normal for an mmo to have fewer players on before a new expansion especially when you just had two major releases in the market GW2 ans MOP. Have no fear my friend you 400 on glff will be back plus some in less then a week.

I was there since before launch day.   I'm sure people will come back for a few days, but it won't last.  It never does anymore.  Turdbine totally dropped the ball with this IP.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

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