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Lord of the Rings Online Forum » General Discussion » Burn the LoTRo Store - Restore JRR.T's World

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  Felseth

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Joined: 7/06/12
Posts: 9

 
OP  7/07/12 4:53:21 PM#1

 

I understand the economics that game developers work under, I used to do it many moons ago.

I also used to LIVE in Lord of the Rings Online because I was such a fan of the books.

Then Evil came to the lands - far, far worse that anything Mordor could conjur up.

LoTRo went and opened the LoTRo Store - where nothing you buy is in any JRR.T book, movie, or anywhere.

It was a great game to play(with all it own unique flaws included) - But the Evil GREED opened a store that totally defies any Tolkien Lore, in game logic, everything.

It made it a Game for the Wealthy.  It skewed the haves and have nots almost as bad as the US Government.

Forgot your TP, just buy it from the store no matter where you are.  Need a bandage, there's the store.  Want all your crafting materials without farming, theres the store.  But bring your VISA card as they don't take Gold.

Hear Me Turbine / Warner Brothers - you screwed it big time.  First mistake was $200 gets you free play for life.  Who did the math on that one?  But that is nothing compared to ruining your fine game.

Hear Me Turbine / Warner Brothers - Kill the Store and I'll gladly come back and pay $25/mth to have LOGIC returned.  Equality returned.  Yes the extra $10 will hurt some, but my guess is that $10 is paltry to what that player is paying the store.

But thats the catch isn't it.  The wealthy spend cold hard cash at your store far and beyond any exorbitant monthly fee.

Which brings us back to GREED.  Don't try the "we would be out of biz without it" line - nobody is buying that old crap.

So before you let GREED KILL THE GAME, ALIENATE MORE AND MORE PLAYERS, AND YOU END UP WITH LESS MONEY and ULTIMATELY NO GAME PLAYERS....

BURN THE STORE TO THE GROUND.

 
  Loktofeit

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Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Wildstar, and Combat Arms

7/07/12 5:00:54 PM#2

Although you mention things about lore and such, from what you wrote it sounds more like you're in some kind of odd personal competition with the other players over who has more stuff and how they got it. Do you also get upset about the people selling high fantasy weapons at ren faires?

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fovoroth

  Einherjar_LC

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7/07/12 5:08:58 PM#3

All I can say is preach on brother!

 

I find it disgusting what they have done to the game in the name of greed.  The greed became apparent to me with the release of SoM, and it's gone downhill from there.

 

Quite frankly they didn't need to go F2P, but they did because they knew from DDO that it would generate substantially more reveue.  It was a cash grab plain and simple.  The only reason Turbine's other game, Asheron's Call, isn't F2P is because they can't figure out how due to tech limitations with the game being so old(13 years).  Basically it's nearly impossible or not feasible financially to do so...thank the gaming gods.

 

Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!

  Arcsol

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Joined: 10/26/10
Posts: 66

7/07/12 5:13:07 PM#4

Everyone says they love F2P but i think its a load of crap to get as much cash out of you as they can.... give me a game with 13-16$ monthly payment and no cash shop and im happy

 

  tawess

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Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 1977

7/07/12 5:17:02 PM#5

Well i guess people can ask them self... Do i want to keep playing the game or not

 

Because it did not really pull in enough green as a sub game it seems and thus if you strip the cash shop the game goes with it.

 

Sad to say.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  UnleadedRev

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Joined: 7/07/10
Posts: 317

7/07/12 5:20:25 PM#6

Sympathy to the OP...

I am a avid JRR Tolkein and Middle Earth fan... and YES the store takes away from what makes JRR Tolkeins works so immersive.

Its supposed to be about adventure and going anywhere thru out the world...instead you cant go here cant go there and must buy this or that to go here or there....

Now having said that, LOTRO needs to make money and its a known fact that F2P with transaction stores makes money and no one wants to pay a sub.

Fear the Alien, the Psyker, the Heretic, the moronic Steam Moderator.

  Zadawn

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Posts: 672

7/07/12 5:23:56 PM#7

burn it with lava

  tawess

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Joined: 3/24/05
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7/07/12 5:24:50 PM#8
Originally posted by UnleadedRev

Sympathy to the OP...

I am a avid JRR Tolkein and Middle Earth fan... and YES the store takes away from what makes JRR Tolkeins works so immersive.

Its supposed to be about adventure and going anywhere thru out the world...instead you cant go here cant go there and must buy this or that to go here or there....

Now having said that, LOTRO needs to make money and its a known fact that F2P with transaction stores makes money and no one wants to pay a sub.

In my mind that illusion was shatterd when i could stand in Bagsend and spit to the edge of the shire. We all have to look away from the aspects that are glaringly wrong to be immersed in the story.

 

But i'd like to point out that even before it went F2P you had to pay to be able to advance the story so that is not really anything new.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  Loktofeit

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7/07/12 5:31:21 PM#9
Originally posted by tawess

Because it did not really pull in enough green as a sub game it seems and thus if you strip the cash shop the game goes with it.

Sad to say.

It pulled in what they expected to get and more. Or are you actually suggesting that F2P wasn't planned from the beginning and that Turbine had zero strategy beyond the lifetime subs? It doesn't seem illogical to you to in one breath say they are greedy EvilCorpCo and in the other suggest their business strategy was to have no revenue beyond the first two years?

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fovoroth

  Felseth

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Joined: 7/06/12
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OP  7/07/12 7:04:49 PM#10
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Although you mention things about lore and such, from what you wrote it sounds more like you're in some kind of odd personal competition with the other players over who has more stuff and how they got it. Do you also get upset about the people selling high fantasy weapons at ren faires?

Nope, you missed the mark on that one.  I have no need or desire to keep up with the Jones in terms of game bling.  I play my characters as I imagined them from the books  and that's it.  I have a great little Kinship of like minded and we have our fun.

In beta and launch, all was equal - and good (inherent game problems excluded).   I could do the same at the store as others do, cash isn't an issue for me, but I choose not to.  What its done to the logic of the game is my issue.  It's not over who has more stuff, its the ridiculous notion that a character can pop into a 'store', mid instance, and buy his way out of it.  Just not logical.  

Nor is it fair to those who are just scaping by to make the fee - but that's really another, but pertinent issue.  

Not sure what ren faires have to do with this, but never lost a wink of sleep over them.  Just pop Blackmore's Night into the iPod, fill my horn with beer, and enjoy the day.

Just a Tolkien fan who wanted the game to be as close as possible to the books, and they are heading farther and farther away despite Turbines professed obedience to Tolkien Lore as their driving force.  I would make a guess that despite growing numbers (thats a guess too), there are less 'knowledgeable' Tolkien fans in the game than during pre-store times - or they sure are harder to find.

Cheers - Kill Well, Stay Vertical !

  User Deleted
7/07/12 7:15:20 PM#11

Why would you gladly play $25/month? I don't think many others would. 

  Draxonfly

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Joined: 6/05/04
Posts: 126

Head or Gut?

7/07/12 7:29:03 PM#12

Yeah I used to love LOTRO... played it so much (Still kicking myself that I missed out on the lifetime) .. but once the FTP update hit .. it just didn't feel like the same game and I just couldn't play it anymore... 

  Felseth

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OP  7/07/12 8:27:08 PM#13
Originally posted by Psychow

Why would you gladly play $25/month? I don't think many others would. 

 

If it meant that Turbine could make there  $$$'s  and leave the game as it originally was, yes I would.  

I agree it would be a steep price for too many players, however, I know that there are plenty of players who drop that much in the "Store" in a month and more.

Of course if I was paying $25/mth,  I'd expect that the expansions would be less than $40 / $50 / $70 !!!!!!  

$70 bucks for the UberVersion.  If that is not greed, I don't know what is.

 

  DarnRight

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7/08/12 11:22:34 AM#14

I canceled after resubbing one month in hopes to like the game again and hoped to play Rohan...

BUT when my characters (which date back to Open Beta I might add) cannot even ride to Bree from RIvendel without buying points from the store I quit. AND I unlocked all those years ago. I resubbed but lost all my past progression?

Screw it. LOTRO is dead for me as well as it appears others. This game will limp along for a few years then die.

  f0dell54

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Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 311

Sanity....
It's for the weak.

7/08/12 3:44:54 PM#15
Originally posted by DarnRight

I canceled after resubbing one month in hopes to like the game again and hoped to play Rohan...

BUT when my characters (which date back to Open Beta I might add) cannot even ride to Bree from RIvendel without buying points from the store I quit. AND I unlocked all those years ago. I resubbed but lost all my past progression?

Screw it. LOTRO is dead for me as well as it appears others. This game will limp along for a few years then die.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?467819-I-came-back...

No one cares dude.

  DarnRight

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Posts: 72

7/08/12 3:47:51 PM#16
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by DarnRight

I canceled after resubbing one month in hopes to like the game again and hoped to play Rohan...

BUT when my characters (which date back to Open Beta I might add) cannot even ride to Bree from RIvendel without buying points from the store I quit. AND I unlocked all those years ago. I resubbed but lost all my past progression?

Screw it. LOTRO is dead for me as well as it appears others. This game will limp along for a few years then die.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?467819-I-came-back...

No one cares dude.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XltWe4PZLN4/Td7A3YKsjlI/AAAAAAAALGk/JnDPKzu4eF8/s1600/tmp.jpg

  f0dell54

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Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 311

Sanity....
It's for the weak.

7/08/12 3:49:11 PM#17
Originally posted by DarnRight
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by DarnRight

I canceled after resubbing one month in hopes to like the game again and hoped to play Rohan...

BUT when my characters (which date back to Open Beta I might add) cannot even ride to Bree from RIvendel without buying points from the store I quit. AND I unlocked all those years ago. I resubbed but lost all my past progression?

Screw it. LOTRO is dead for me as well as it appears others. This game will limp along for a few years then die.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?467819-I-came-back...

No one cares dude.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XltWe4PZLN4/Td7A3YKsjlI/AAAAAAAALGk/JnDPKzu4eF8/s1600/tmp.jpg

Dude, learn how to hyperlink. No one is going to look at that crap.

  Ehliya

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Joined: 7/13/06
Posts: 185

7/08/12 3:53:37 PM#18

I left LOTRO for similar but broader reasons.  When Turbine first introduced the approach they would take, they emphasized how they would remain true to the original vision of the books.  For example magic, which in Tolkien's Third Age was at the least uncommon, would be kept within boundaries.

That didn't last long.

I could cite many examples, but the most obvious first deviation from their promises was Runekeepers.  No where in the books are dwarves running around shooting lightning from their fingertips like Senator Palpatine.  But Turbine needed to generate some subscriptions and retentions, hence they discovered that Runekeepers were "what the customers wanted."  This list goes on from there.  The cash shop was the last straw.

The living world of Tolkien is a dead dream.  What is left is basically WOW with Tolkien names.   As a result, I have vowed never to touch another MMO that has the Turbine name associated with it.  They may be making money.  But they have sold off their souls.

  mastersomrat

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Posts: 367

7/08/12 3:54:38 PM#19

When are people going to start understanding that 98% of F2P games are designed to get you to P2W?  Which just so happens to cost more than P2P!  I still waiting for GP2P (Get paid to Play).

  f0dell54

Novice Member

Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 311

Sanity....
It's for the weak.

7/08/12 3:55:10 PM#20

DarnRight this seem pretty fitting for you. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5038084#5038084

Damn that thing called post history. I think you need to stop complaining about people being whiners. You’re nothing but a hypocrite.

 

 

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