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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Forum » General Discussion » Yoshida Takes F2P Into Consideration

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  Tygranir

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4/04/14 4:09:02 PM#121
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by ZizouX

http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xiv-producer-defends-subscription-models-272607.phtml

 

YoshiP defense P2P.

Again, that's nothing really new. He keeps saying he considers p2p the best business model for FFXIV but also mentions that should he feel that he wants to bring in more players he will change to f2p.

Wrong. He clearly states that there are two reasons developers switch to a F2P model from P2P:

  1. To make more money to appease investors (and in the process cut into content development)
  2. To bring in more players (which should not effect the focus of delivering content on the same level as P2P)

He is a developer in the genre and he knows both models have their place, target audience and the model should not dictate the game. Basically saying that if you're developing a F2P mmo, you should do so from start to finish (example NWO). And if you develop a P2P mmo and switch to F2P, do not lose focus on what your previous P2P players expect in regards to content delivery (example Rift).

 

The only way FFXIV would make that switch is if the players demand it. One way he could see that is feedback from players cancelling their subscriptions in droves while stating the reason is because they cannot afford to keep paying. So far I don't see that happening anytime soon. But you are correct in one thing, the best model for FFXIV does not mean it's the only model. There is a bit of grey there between a full sub price and full F2P. Let's hope that those options are explored before a move to the latter.

 

Context is a difficult thing for some, I think. 

Yoshi talks about free to play, not specific to FF14, and a bunch of people start blurting about FF14 going free to play. 

 

Trying to point out common sense to people with no interest in it is a pointless endeavor; you're better off talking to a wall, man.

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  Uhwop

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4/04/14 4:17:37 PM#122
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by ZizouX

http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xiv-producer-defends-subscription-models-272607.phtml

 

YoshiP defense P2P.

Again, that's nothing really new. He keeps saying he considers p2p the best business model for FFXIV but also mentions that should he feel that he wants to bring in more players he will change to f2p.

Wrong. He clearly states that there are two reasons developers switch to a F2P model from P2P:

  1. To make more money to appease investors (and in the process cut into content development)
  2. To bring in more players (which should not effect the focus of delivering content on the same level as P2P)

He is a developer in the genre and he knows both models have their place, target audience and the model should not dictate the game. Basically saying that if you're developing a F2P mmo, you should do so from start to finish (example NWO). And if you develop a P2P mmo and switch to F2P, do not lose focus on what your previous P2P players expect in regards to content delivery (example Rift).

 

The only way FFXIV would make that switch is if the players demand it. One way he could see that is feedback from players cancelling their subscriptions in droves while stating the reason is because they cannot afford to keep paying. So far I don't see that happening anytime soon. But you are correct in one thing, the best model for FFXIV does not mean it's the only model. There is a bit of grey there between a full sub price and full F2P. Let's hope that those options are explored before a move to the latter.

 

Context is a difficult thing for some, I think. 

Yoshi talks about free to play, not specific to FF14, and a bunch of people start blurting about FF14 going free to play. 

 

Trying to point out common sense to people with no interest in it is a pointless endeavor; you're better off talking to a wall, man.

I love things sometimes. At least until I love other things.

I totally get you, totally. 

  Dakeru

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4/04/14 4:20:58 PM#123
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by ZizouX

http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xiv-producer-defends-subscription-models-272607.phtml

 

YoshiP defense P2P.

Again, that's nothing really new. He keeps saying he considers p2p the best business model for FFXIV but also mentions that should he feel that he wants to bring in more players he will change to f2p.

Wrong. He clearly states that there are two reasons developers switch to a F2P model from P2P:

  1. To make more money to appease investors (and in the process cut into content development)
  2. To bring in more players (which should not effect the focus of delivering content on the same level as P2P)

He is a developer in the genre and he knows both models have their place, target audience and the model should not dictate the game. Basically saying that if you're developing a F2P mmo, you should do so from start to finish (example NWO). And if you develop a P2P mmo and switch to F2P, do not lose focus on what your previous P2P players expect in regards to content delivery (example Rift).

 

The only way FFXIV would make that switch is if the players demand it. One way he could see that is feedback from players cancelling their subscriptions in droves while stating the reason is because they cannot afford to keep paying. So far I don't see that happening anytime soon. But you are correct in one thing, the best model for FFXIV does not mean it's the only model. There is a bit of grey there between a full sub price and full F2P. Let's hope that those options are explored before a move to the latter.

 

Context is a difficult thing for some, I think. 

Yoshi talks about free to play, not specific to FF14, and a bunch of people start blurting about FF14 going free to play. 

 

Trying to point out common sense to people with no interest in it is a pointless endeavor; you're better off talking to a wall, man.

Yeah we are stupid like that.

The dev of a game is discussing different payment models but of course he is only speaking for other games he has nothing to do with.

  Tygranir

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Posts: 765

4/04/14 4:24:22 PM#124
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by ZizouX

http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xiv-producer-defends-subscription-models-272607.phtml

 

YoshiP defense P2P.

Again, that's nothing really new. He keeps saying he considers p2p the best business model for FFXIV but also mentions that should he feel that he wants to bring in more players he will change to f2p.

Wrong. He clearly states that there are two reasons developers switch to a F2P model from P2P:

  1. To make more money to appease investors (and in the process cut into content development)
  2. To bring in more players (which should not effect the focus of delivering content on the same level as P2P)

He is a developer in the genre and he knows both models have their place, target audience and the model should not dictate the game. Basically saying that if you're developing a F2P mmo, you should do so from start to finish (example NWO). And if you develop a P2P mmo and switch to F2P, do not lose focus on what your previous P2P players expect in regards to content delivery (example Rift).

 

The only way FFXIV would make that switch is if the players demand it. One way he could see that is feedback from players cancelling their subscriptions in droves while stating the reason is because they cannot afford to keep paying. So far I don't see that happening anytime soon. But you are correct in one thing, the best model for FFXIV does not mean it's the only model. There is a bit of grey there between a full sub price and full F2P. Let's hope that those options are explored before a move to the latter.

 

Context is a difficult thing for some, I think. 

Yoshi talks about free to play, not specific to FF14, and a bunch of people start blurting about FF14 going free to play. 

 

Trying to point out common sense to people with no interest in it is a pointless endeavor; you're better off talking to a wall, man.

Yeah we are stupid like that.

The dev of a game is discussing different payment models but of course he is only speaking for other games he has nothing to do with.

Or.... he's just discussing monetization models in general, without regards to specific games. Whodathunk?

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  Dakeru

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4/04/14 4:30:31 PM#125

Yeah that's what I said.

He is only making small talk talking about random games.

 

Nothing to do with himself or FFXIV.

  Uhwop

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Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1668

4/04/14 4:35:19 PM#126
Originally posted by Dakeru

Yeah that's what I said.

He is only making small talk talking about random games.

 

Nothing to do with himself or FFXIV.

Oh I'm not saying anyone is dumb, just that context is a difficult thing for a lot of people to grasp. 

Collectively though...

 

PS:  Seriously, read the responses in this thread and tell me a bunch of people didn't understand what they were reading and think that FF14 is going to go F2P. 

  kinart

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4/05/14 9:22:09 AM#127
  Cymdai

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It's my job to be objective, it's my right to have an opinion.

4/06/14 11:59:59 AM#128

Why would it shock anyone if this game did go F2P? Just visit basically any major gaming forum pertaining to this game. The topics there aren't about how full the servers are or how lively the game is. It's about emptier zones, diminished presence in FC's, etc. Not to say that there aren't people who enjoy the game, because there certainly are, but I'd say there's a substantially larger number of people who have played it and left then there are of people who Day-1 purchased and are still playing.

I remember this board in November arguing about this game inevitably becoming F2P, and I don't think it should surprise anyone when it happens.

Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...

  drivendawn

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Posts: 973

4/06/14 1:32:51 PM#129
Originally posted by Cymdai

Why would it shock anyone if this game did go F2P? Just visit basically any major gaming forum pertaining to this game. The topics there aren't about how full the servers are or how lively the game is. It's about emptier zones, diminished presence in FC's, etc. Not to say that there aren't people who enjoy the game, because there certainly are, but I'd say there's a substantially larger number of people who have played it and left then there are of people who Day-1 purchased and are still playing.

I remember this board in November arguing about this game inevitably becoming F2P, and I don't think it should surprise anyone when it happens.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if FFXIV went free to play in a few years or so. However I have seen many people talk about how there are plenty of people in game, have a thriving FC and still are getting que's. Also with 500,000 k average daily users http://www.siliconera.com/2014/03/14/dragon-quest-x-impressive-300000-daily-active-players-japan/ “Hmm, daily actives are numbers that can easily be misunderstood… and the peak time between Japan and other countries are different,” responds Yoshida. “If we go by the amount of people who log in each day, it’s about 500,000 people worldwide. There are people who also log in at least once every two days, so if we were to include those, the figure would be much higher.

 per Yoshi P I'm not to worried about it going F2P anytime soon. Like I said though In 3 or 4 years or so I'll be less surprised if it did.

  Gravehill

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Posts: 95

4/10/14 2:42:45 AM#130
Originally posted by Cymdai

Why would it shock anyone if this game did go F2P? Just visit basically any major gaming forum pertaining to this game. The topics there aren't about how full the servers are or how lively the game is. It's about emptier zones, diminished presence in FC's, etc. Not to say that there aren't people who enjoy the game, because there certainly are, but I'd say there's a substantially larger number of people who have played it and left then there are of people who Day-1 purchased and are still playing.

I remember this board in November arguing about this game inevitably becoming F2P, and I don't think it should surprise anyone when it happens.

Yeah I guess that's why they just added new servers. The server I'm on doesn't even allow for new character creation because it's so full

  Madimorga

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4/12/14 9:00:58 PM#131
I hate to be one of those people, but I'm waiting for this.  The game simply isn't worth $15 a month to me, month in, month out.  I spent around $50, and got less than two months out of it, and was done.  That doesn't mean it's a bad game, it isn't.  It just isn't the type of game I'm personally going to pay a monthly sub for.  

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  Gravehill

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4/13/14 5:57:16 AM#132
Originally posted by Madimorga
I hate to be one of those people, but I'm waiting for this.  The game simply isn't worth $15 a month to me, month in, month out.  I spent around $50, and got less than two months out of it, and was done.  That doesn't mean it's a bad game, it isn't.  It just isn't the type of game I'm personally going to pay a monthly sub for.  

You'll be waiting an extremely long time

  gonewild

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Posts: 120

4/13/14 6:01:07 AM#133

I would gladly play it for free if it's like rifts or secret world's pay model.

If it's going to swtor route of course i will not touch it.

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5354

4/13/14 6:58:34 AM#134
Originally posted by Gravehill
Originally posted by Madimorga
I hate to be one of those people, but I'm waiting for this.  The game simply isn't worth $15 a month to me, month in, month out.  I spent around $50, and got less than two months out of it, and was done.  That doesn't mean it's a bad game, it isn't.  It just isn't the type of game I'm personally going to pay a monthly sub for.  

You'll be waiting an extremely long time

In 5 years time he will probably still be waiting and hoping, some games just don't go F2P, and SE are in no need to do so, the game is profitable enough that adding millions of freepers probably wouldn't actually help, and oddly enough, they seem to care about their current customer base rather than some unquantifiable demographic that may or may not exist, and lets face it the freepers don't stay with a game, they flit depending on which game is flavour of the month/week, whatever, does any game really need them?

  Torvaldr

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4/13/14 8:49:09 PM#135
Originally posted by Madimorga
I hate to be one of those people, but I'm waiting for this.  The game simply isn't worth $15 a month to me, month in, month out.  I spent around $50, and got less than two months out of it, and was done.  That doesn't mean it's a bad game, it isn't.  It just isn't the type of game I'm personally going to pay a monthly sub for.  

I think it looks pretty good. I would definitely play it if the sub were optional and the payment model were good. But, if it never does that's okay with me too because there are plenty of good sub-free games to play. I don't think any of the p2p games are bad, but there isn't a game out that I think is worth renting for $15/mo.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Colt47

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4/13/14 8:59:46 PM#136
The thing I took away from the interview is that Yoshida is looking at World of Warcraft and seeing that they can add mounts and other cosmetics without having to go completely F2P.  
  drivendawn

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4/13/14 11:41:21 PM#137
Originally posted by Colt47
The thing I took away from the interview is that Yoshida is looking at World of Warcraft and seeing that they can add mounts and other cosmetics without having to go completely F2P.  

I have to agree, and also if in the future they need consider a free to play model its not beyond the realm of possibility.

  Torvaldr

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4/14/14 10:29:29 PM#138
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by Colt47
The thing I took away from the interview is that Yoshida is looking at World of Warcraft and seeing that they can add mounts and other cosmetics without having to go completely F2P.  

I have to agree, and also if in the future they need consider a free to play model its not beyond the realm of possibility.

I sort of got that impression too. For some reason people confuse cash shop with subscription. Maybe a long time ago the two were synonymous but that isn't true at all anymore.

I think publishers see an opportunity with subscription games to cash in on extra revenue while maintaining the the stable baseline of sub revenue. I think they are moving the idea of pre-order perks and extra fees from xpacs and digital deluxe editions and moving those to a cash shop.

Trion was pretty successful selling upgrade packs to Rift for $10 - $20 while the game was still sub-locked. When their numbers dropped I think that made it easier for them to selling those sorts of things directly in the game. In the same vein it makes sense for Blizzard to move their micro-transactions from the web, directly to the game. It's just more convenient and the stigma of buying directly while in the game, as opposed to alt-tabbing out and logging into a website, is slowly fading.

I can see SquareEnix adding a cash shop long before they drop the sub. If their cash shop was successful and they had a lot of dormant (former) accounts, then I could see them altering their sub requirement, but as has been pointed out they aren't under the same sort of pressure to do so as many other devs/pubs.

Curse you AquaScum!

  nbtscan

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4/16/14 4:37:49 PM#139
Originally posted by Torvaldr
I can see SquareEnix adding a cash shop long before they drop the sub. 

It's only a matter of time honestly.  They're currently charging an extra $2.00 per month for another retainer (an extra means of storage/more listings available on the market board) and there's a strong demand for paid character alteration and name change services.  

I'm honestly not too thrilled about the retainer thing because they just added a new system for them like in SW:TOR where you can send your retainer out to get items for you, and some of them are items specific to this system.  Said items are also rare, high level crafting materials, and in my eyes this is pretty much a P2W system since having more retainers = more chances at getting these materials.

  Oph8

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4/16/14 9:58:25 PM#140
I don't see F2P happening. Square has a pretty solid player base so the F2P option is out of the window. You make more money with subs then you do with F2P. 

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