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General Discussion Forum » The Pub at MMORPG.COM » Should MMOs let you have the ability to solo raids?

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  VengeSunsoar

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5/09/13 1:09:51 PM#61
Really which game lets you solo all raids?

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  lizardbones

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5/09/13 1:13:59 PM#62


Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Really which game lets you solo all raids?


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  Epicent

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5/09/13 1:18:07 PM#63
Raids solo? Wouldn't be much of a raid would it?
  Loktofeit

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5/09/13 1:23:50 PM#64
Originally posted by NL-Rikkert

 Should MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online games let you have the ability to solo raids?

 

MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER! What part about that title don't people (both devs and players)  understand anymore??

If you want a fancy story and do everything by yourself go play a damn SP RPG...

 

Just so we are absolutely clear here: NO THEY SHOULDN'T! EVER!

One would think that people would get past the repeatedly debunked talking point of mandatory group functions being the definition (or even necessary) of massively multiplayer. 

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  Bossalinie

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5/09/13 1:28:35 PM#65
What's being abused here is the term Raid. Raiding gets mixed up with being the definition of a group composition as well as an alias pertained to engaging in an event. Of course you can't raid solo, but the question really is can the event be completed solo.

Pretty much a glorified forced grouping thread...
  Robokapp

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5/09/13 2:18:46 PM#66
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NL-Rikkert

 Should MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online games let you have the ability to solo raids?

 

MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER! What part about that title don't people (both devs and players)  understand anymore??

If you want a fancy story and do everything by yourself go play a damn SP RPG...

 

Just so we are absolutely clear here: NO THEY SHOULDN'T! EVER!

One would think that people would get past the repeatedly debunked talking point of mandatory group functions being the definition (or even necessary) of massively multiplayer. 

SOLO PLAYERS UNITE !!

 

oh.

  Iselin

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5/09/13 2:45:10 PM#67
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NL-Rikkert

 Should MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online games let you have the ability to solo raids?

 

MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER! What part about that title don't people (both devs and players)  understand anymore??

If you want a fancy story and do everything by yourself go play a damn SP RPG...

 

Just so we are absolutely clear here: NO THEY SHOULDN'T! EVER!

One would think that people would get past the repeatedly debunked talking point of mandatory group functions being the definition (or even necessary) of massively multiplayer. 

SOLO PLAYERS UNITE !!

 

oh.

Good one :)

 

that reminds me... I've been thinking about starting a religion for atheists just so that we'd have something to do Sunday mornings beside golf.

  emperorwings

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5/09/13 2:50:58 PM#68
Open raiding combined with a soft grouping system would be ok but then anyone could do it.

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  maplestone

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5/09/13 3:11:40 PM#69

I feel the question puts the emphasis in a bad place.  

Raids are a minigame, one that requires strong teamwork, reflexes and generally higher tolerance for banging one's head against a wall than I have. A "solo version" of a raid is a completely different minigame - it just happens to recycle the assets of the raid. 

Any reward that is shared between two minigames puts those minigames into competition with each other.  If I'm playing a game with raids and other instances, I enjoy taking a high level character on danger-free rampages through low-level instances because it's a nice colourful loot pinata (even if the gear itself isn't useful to me).  At this point, the raids are already obsolete to all but a small minority of nostalgia-driven raiders, so it's no longer competing with their motivations.  All the devs need to do is tweak/remove specific mechanics that previously required the simultaneous coordination of multiple players. 

The question of lore I've discovered is more a matter of perception than reality.  As a solo player, I tend to imagine there are great epic lore reveals in raids that, once I get to see them, turn out to have been much less dramatic than I had built up in my imagination.  I tend to imagine that raids were hiding the answers to all my remaining questions, but so far in my travels, they haven't. 

 

  Sulaa

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5/09/13 3:18:32 PM#70
*putting OP idea to personal 'wont play games with those' list*
  waynejr2

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5/09/13 3:22:17 PM#71
Imagine someone wanting to solo playing football.  The idea is just a genius as soloing raids.
  killion81

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5/09/13 3:22:58 PM#72
Originally posted by TheScavenger

I'll talk about WoW for this, since its the longest played MMO I've been a part of and only one I had actual fun with at end game.

 

In WoW, only two classes can solo raid (or did when I played, that being, Death Knights and Paladins)...these two were (when i played) regarded as the best. However, they can only solo old raids that don't matter anymore. It is a fun challenge, but not much else.

 

But when WOTLK came out...I couldn't experience the Lich King for myself. Which was really disappointing after playing the Warcraft 3 and expansion. I had to go on Youtube and watch videos of it, which isn't nearly the same.

 

Why not let one do raids, but get much weaker items than one who would do the same raid in a group? This way, everyone can enjoy the content and not just the very small population that raided in WoW. This would add lots of content in the game for a much larger group of people. This would be true for any MMO that has raiding. The raiders still get their uber items and achievements, soloers get suitable items, but more importantly, get to actually see the story AND the content.

 

Then everyone wins and experiences the whole game.

 

No, people should not be able to solo raids.  Yes, everyone should be able to see the content and be rewarded with weaker items for easier content.  Looking For Raid (LFR) was a pretty good idea implemented by Blizzard...

  maplestone

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5/09/13 3:24:43 PM#73
Originally posted by waynejr2
Imagine someone wanting to solo playing football.  The idea is just a genius as soloing raids.

um ... *decides that my childhood farm-in-the-middle-of-nowhere stories aren't likely to go over well in this crowd*

  Alders

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5/09/13 3:33:07 PM#74

The best endgame solo content are the ones not designed to be solo'd.  The ones skilled players find a way to solo through perseverance and skill without resorting to hacks or exploits.

I recall many 4-8 hour solo attempts at certain bosses many years ago in FFXI.  Those i find fun, while others may see it as a waste of time.  If someone wants to spend that much time kiting a boss around while slowly killing it, more power to them.  They should never be designed with soloing in mind though.  Let the players figure that out.

 

  maplestone

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5/09/13 3:48:11 PM#75
Originally posted by Alders

The best endgame solo content are the ones not designed to be solo'd.  The ones skilled players find a way to solo through perseverance and skill without resorting to hacks or exploits.

 

What about the people who don't meet your definition of skilled.  Why would they consider that "best"?

  Johnie-Marz

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5/09/13 3:53:32 PM#76

Using WoW as and example as the OP did. I think WoW addressed this issue by adding the Raid Finder.

You can que solo then enter an easy mode version of the raid where you can see the story line and win gear. And while you are playing with 24 other raiders you don't really need to talk to any of them.

The Raid Finder is a middle ground solution. You still have to play with other people to complete the raid but you can enter the raid by yourself and join a random group of people to complete the raid.

  Punk999

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5/09/13 3:54:44 PM#77
No i hope MMOs never do that... but with the way this genre has been going i wouldnt be surprised.

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  maplestone

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5/09/13 4:03:47 PM#78
Originally posted by Punk999
No i hope MMOs never do that... but with the way this genre has been going i wouldnt be surprised.

If you are paying $10 for the game you want and I am paying $10 for the game I want, but the developers can share half the resources across both games, we each get a game with an effective budget of $15.

(my point being that just because you or I don't personally enjoy the other's playstyle, that's not automatically a good reason for us to oppose that playstyle being in our game)

  snapfusion

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5/09/13 4:20:54 PM#79
I dont think this word "raid" means what you think it means,,,,,
  monstermmo

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5/09/13 4:41:16 PM#80

No, raids should not be solo-able. It pisses me off every time i find out about a new raid boss that was solo'd by some class even 10 levels later. It simply should not be solo-able, especially since these same bosses can't be solo'd by every class. There's something obviously out of balance there.

However i do think it would be cool to have some solo content that gives you an idea of how to fight the bosses and maybe let you fight an avatar of them on your own. Similar to quest chains that lead up to events like in WOTLK where you play as Arthas fighting against Illidan. That was really damn cool. More solo content like that would be really great. 5 man instances allow players to get used to some cool boss mechanic fights together. I think it would be neat to have solo instances that give you the same kind of experience, just obviously tuned for solo play.

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