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  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11363

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

2/10/13 5:31:36 PM#61
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.

Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.

https://www.google.com/search?q=f2p+arpu - Any given link you find.

However, here's a list of specific links if you want that:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/forums/thread/327931/page/2

 

  Onigod

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Joined: 3/24/07
Posts: 675

2/10/13 5:32:51 PM#62

Domino effect..??

 

There games were nothing special and they deffinalty did not keep up with the time.. all they released is stuff that would have been awesome im 2004.

  emperorwings

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Joined: 12/25/06
Posts: 1252

2/10/13 5:40:24 PM#63
All we need is the other 512 asian grinder companies to shut down then it'll be like it was before f2p came along.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  Rossboss

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Joined: 10/26/10
Posts: 238

2/10/13 5:47:28 PM#64
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.

Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.

https://www.google.com/search?q=f2p+arpu - Any given link you find.

However, here's a list of specific links if you want that:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/forums/thread/327931/page/2

 

Thank you for the info. I am not so good at google when it comes to finding credible information.

I do think the anti-F2P movement is like a cult that only really exists on these forums. It really makes no sense why they hate these games. It's like they have these prejudices towards F2P games that are based on what they've seen for bad P2W models.

I played WoW up until WotLK, played RoM for 2 years and now Rift.
I am F2P player. I support games when I feel they deserve my money and I want the items enough.
I don't troll, and I don't take kindly to trolls.

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 558

2/10/13 5:50:18 PM#65
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.

Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.

https://www.google.com/search?q=f2p+arpu - Any given link you find.

However, here's a list of specific links if you want that:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/forums/thread/327931/page/2

 

And this proves what exactly?
  User Deleted
 
OP  2/10/13 5:52:44 PM#66
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Cod_Eye

MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.

Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.

I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.

Only the stron survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.

So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?

 

I could be wrong, but seldom am....

I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 558

2/10/13 5:53:31 PM#67
Originally posted by Rossboss
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

https://www.google.com/search?q=f2p+arpu - Any given link you find.

However, here's a list of specific links if you want that:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/forums/thread/327931/page/2

 

Thank you for the info. I am not so good at google when it comes to finding credible information.

I do think the anti-F2P movement is like a cult that only really exists on these forums. It really makes no sense why they hate these games. It's like they have these prejudices towards F2P games that are based on what they've seen for bad P2W models.

We're a cult? Care to show a poll on this site that shows you in the majority or even breaking 40% for that matter?

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 558

2/10/13 5:58:59 PM#68
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Cod_Eye

So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?

 

I could be wrong, but seldom am....

I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.

 

 

He would be a fan of Blizz, if WoW was F2P.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11363

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

2/10/13 6:06:18 PM#69
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.

Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.

https://www.google.com/search?q=f2p+arpu - Any given link you find.

However, here's a list of specific links if you want that:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/forums/thread/327931/page/2

And this proves what exactly?

"You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub." - NorseGod

In response to your claim that the average revenue per user in the F2P business model is $28 a month, I gave you not only a neat little link to find a wealth of data proving that to be flat out wrong, but also four links directly to various developers sharing ARPU info in case doing your own research was too hard for you.

What was there for you to figure out about that one? Does the truth violate your beliefs that badly that you are now confused as to what we were even talking about?

 

  User Deleted
 
OP  2/10/13 6:07:36 PM#70
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Cod_Eye

So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?

 

I could be wrong, but seldom am....

I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.

 

 

He would be a fan of Blizz, if WoW was F2P.

Not that it matters but I just left WoW after 6 yrs of subbing and dont regret it at all I promis that I will never give any F2P MMO 6 yrs of my life. Im willing to bet you can find less then ten players of any F2P game that has played for 6 yrs or longer.

  Wraithone

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Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3548

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

2/10/13 6:35:29 PM#71
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. 

Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money.  I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.

And no matter what you do, you'll always be second-rate behind those who do spend money.

I disagree.

 

If a gamers objective is to be #1 , then mmorpgs aren't that gamer. Mmo's are social, political and group oriented.  Think that is one of the core problems with the current market is tha it just wants to be a single player standalone game that can charge for a monthly fee, aka SWTOR, instead of creating a climatic worl d where everyone can partake in the fun. Guild Wars 2  has started the mechanics of open world events much like Rift, until devs build on that kind of dynamic world system, making it more impactful in the games then world, then yes the above poster would be correct.

 

THe OP's games where as generic as they come, it people still think it is a big deal ? Where was all the fuss for  Shadowbane ?

Shadowbane had more than its share of "issues".  Not only that, but the times and the gaming demographic changed, and it didn't. Nature took its course.

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 558

2/10/13 6:46:57 PM#72
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. Why do you think it's so popular?

Yes, f2p is popular because it costs more.....I'm not sure you've thought this post through.

I think he's saying that it's popular with companies. You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub. Except you of course, I'm sure. I meant everyone else that plays F2P.

Classic example of what I wrote in my previous post. No amount of real data or fact is going to change the minds of people that want desperately to believe otherwise. It's as if Anti-F2P is some kind of cult.

Feel free to include this data and facts you speak of.

https://www.google.com/search?q=f2p+arpu - Any given link you find.

However, here's a list of specific links if you want that:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/forums/thread/327931/page/2

And this proves what exactly?

"You know, players spend an average of $28 per month on F2P games, instead of the $15 per month sub." - NorseGod

In response to your claim that the average revenue per user in the F2P business model is $28 a month, I gave you not only a neat little link to find a wealth of data proving that to be flat out wrong, but also four links directly to various developers sharing ARPU info in case doing your own research was too hard for you.

What was there for you to figure out about that one? Does the truth violate your beliefs that badly that you are now confused as to what we were even talking about?

 

I pulled that from an article from this site. Can't find it, so whatever. The only thing important is that I read it.

I will not play F2P games.

I don't like most of them.

I don't want to spend the money needed to fit my playstyle.

I don't like the kind people that play F2P games.

 

  Popple

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Joined: 6/14/11
Posts: 153

2/10/13 6:48:30 PM#73
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Cod_Eye

MMO's have become a saturated market, everyone wants in on making money some believe they can make a fast buck knocking out crap games, in a lot of cases they do just that.

Don't be surprised to see more MMO's shutting down in the next couple of years as the bubble will burst.

I don't think MMOs have much time left either, regardless of pay model.

Only the strong survive. Why do you think that Blizz is so secretive on Titian. They are waiting for the MMO storm to settle down F2P wise. I doubt very seriously that Titian would be a F2P MMO a companie like Blizz will stay true to form.

 

Ummm You have 25$ for my little pony>>>>>> WOW !  To be honest people are seeing the BS on these so called free to play..Does it mean that pay to play will be on the rise with their "Cash Shop? I hope not..

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I retired retroactively..Haha

  rojo6934

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Posts: 4550

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2/10/13 7:01:45 PM#74
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Good riddance.. F2p can go suck a ****..

i feel the need to troll you about your troll post. You will be doing just that while being charged for it... what a ripoff...

 

Now trolling aside. I do agree that pay to win companies should die in agony, but free to play companies with serious / decent cash shop will always prevail as long as they make quality games (The same applies to B2P and P2P). Whether or not Outspark was one of them, i dont know.

"in peace, in sleep under the barren, abandoned soil"

  laokoko

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Joined: 9/14/09
Posts: 1845

2/10/13 7:22:18 PM#75
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Cod_Eye

So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?

 

I could be wrong, but seldom am....

I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.

 

 

He would be a fan of Blizz, if WoW was F2P.

Not that it matters but I just left WoW after 6 yrs of subbing and dont regret it at all I promis that I will never give any F2P MMO 6 yrs of my life. Im willing to bet you can find less then ten players of any F2P game that has played for 6 yrs or longer.

So are you pro f2p or anti f2p.  Since your original post suggest f2p is better, since you are so shocked that a f2p game got shutdown...

  SirFubar

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Joined: 7/21/11
Posts: 399

2/10/13 7:36:46 PM#76
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope they all shut down.. F2P costs more that B2P and P2P.. 

Only if you're idiot enough to actually spend money.  I have never spent money in a F2P game and never will.

You probably go the smart route and buy expansions, correct?

How do you buy expansions in a F2P game? lol.

I agree with Dibdabs, sure B2P and F2P will cost more only if you're dumb enough to spend more than a monthly sub in the cash shop. Most games don't require you to spend any amount of cash if you don't want to, but some people are dumb enough to spend ridiculous amount of cash in the cash shop just because they can and they prefer to instead of actually playing the game.

  User Deleted
 
OP  2/11/13 10:42:18 AM#77
Originally posted by laokoko
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Cod_Eye

So another words, you are a Blizzard fan or employee who is scared that what ever mmo Blizzard makes next is going to be F2P, or trying to rationalize why Blizzard still makes it's fan pay for content that is less then 1/16th of what SOE , Turbine . Enmasse. Trion have to offer ?

 

I could be wrong, but seldom am....

I am a fan of MMO's in general. It was just an example. Guess your not a fan of Blizz eh? Oh and it seems seldom just happened.

 

 

He would be a fan of Blizz, if WoW was F2P.

Not that it matters but I just left WoW after 6 yrs of subbing and dont regret it at all I promis that I will never give any F2P MMO 6 yrs of my life. Im willing to bet you can find less then ten players of any F2P game that has played for 6 yrs or longer.

So are you pro f2p or anti f2p.  Since your original post suggest f2p is better, since you are so shocked that a f2p game got shutdown...

Im Pro quality MMO's so if a F2P is not P2W then I have no problems with a F2P game.

  Scottgun

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Posts: 340

2/11/13 10:48:32 AM#78
Asian f2p grinders like Ace Online, etc. get passed around from company to company like the village whore. It's an elaborate phishing scheme.

How not to sell me on a game: "And most people that make it past the tutorial seem to appreciate [x game's] uniqueness, even if they don't find it fun."

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