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General Discussion Forum » The Pub at MMORPG.COM » Misconception: No one chats???

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  Hedeon

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2/08/13 5:43:38 AM#41

hrm maybe I missed it, but I find it weird that no one challange the notion that someone asking for a fast tips or groups, is the same as chatting.

and peoples thoughts on what a MMO is have changed from virtual world to a, more or less, open world game - so now the developers are busy turning the speed up, which ofc make it impossible to chat, without voice chat - in EQ2 I could easily sit and chat for most of the games lifetime, without missing anything else, it is not really possible in the past couple of years, usually can still do it without ruin a raid, but even in a group it is taking a risk to type something during a fight - I used to be doing stupid jokes all the time during fights, and often it sparked a good fun chat, while playing. if I try do this today I risk to kill my group and most times would just be asked to focus....since people just want the run done asap - could happen at launch as well, but very rare.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
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OP  2/08/13 10:15:51 AM#42
Originally posted by Hedeon

hrm maybe I missed it, but I find it weird that no one challange the notion that someone asking for a fast tips or groups, is the same as chatting.

and peoples thoughts on what a MMO is have changed from virtual world to a, more or less, open world game - so now the developers are busy turning the speed up, which ofc make it impossible to chat, without voice chat - in EQ2 I could easily sit and chat for most of the games lifetime, without missing anything else, it is not really possible in the past couple of years, usually can still do it without ruin a raid, but even in a group it is taking a risk to type something during a fight - I used to be doing stupid jokes all the time during fights, and often it sparked a good fun chat, while playing. if I try do this today I risk to kill my group and most times would just be asked to focus....since people just want the run done asap - could happen at launch as well, but very rare.

Why would anyone chat during a fight? Even back in EQ times, you chat when you are WAITING for a fight, not DURING the fight.

And in this case, you can easily take a break between dungeon runs, and chat, which people do.

  Reklaw

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The adult I am takes care of most things real life. However my inner-child is a GAMER!!

2/08/13 1:21:43 PM#43
Originally posted by fonoi
For me personally my social mmorpg habbits have changed over the years.

When I was in college I had all the time in the world and it was not uncommon for me to play for a few hours and then just sit and chat for a couple more.

These days with a child and fulltime job I don't have enough time to do much more then log in and do my dailys.

On weekends i am more likely to chat a bit if I have the time.

Don't get me wrong I understand that some might have changed.

In fact I personaly havn't changed towards games, obviously life has but I still look at a MMORPG very differently then common singleplayer or multiplayer games. Sure some games actually force you that you do not need to be social. But overall I know that if I enter a MMORPG there is a part of me that enjoy's the social aspect, just little things like PUGS but PUGS where I know I am really playing with other players meaning if no one talks I might aswell just form a group with my companion or pet, funny thing they often react more then people in pugs react.

I do not see time as a issue to not be social, even though like you I hardly have time to play a MMORPG, but I often choose other genre's of games if i want my quick game fix, but regardlles even if I hop in for 20minutes in a MMORPG and might I be lucky to find a PUG or other trade activities or crafting it doesn't stop me from being social. Of course I will make sure that I do not join a PUG who are going to do a long raid or dungeon if I know my time is limited, unless f they know and they don't mind if I might quite in 15 or 20 minutes.

Personaly I would say people should stop putting  this time presure onto themselfs, MMORPG are not a race to be won, what's not done today could be done tommorow, next week, next month.....or when ever....

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  2/08/13 1:31:54 PM#44
Originally posted by Reklaw

Personaly I would say people should stop putting  this time presure onto themselfs, MMORPG are not a race to be won, what's not done today could be done tommorow, next week, next month.....or when ever....

 

I don't think it is a time pressure issue. it is more about what people want out of their entertainment.

If i have 30 min to play, i can choose to kill stuff, or spend some of that time chatting. It is really about which way is more entertaining. And often than not, people choose gameplay over social. That should not be surprising since they are playing games.

  Cephus404

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2/08/13 2:28:22 PM#45
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cephus404
 

To be honest, I'd very rarely ever chat with the people I was in a PUG with, they were there to achieve something, usually to gain levels or loot, there was no reason for communication so most of the time, nobody bothers.  However, I almost always had a chat window open to talk to friends in, especially since a lot of grouping in PUGs is so mindlessly boring and repetitive anyhow, just follow the group around, perform a function, rake in XP.

THe first part make sense. The last sentence does not. If anything is "mindlessly boring", why would you do it in an ENTERTAINMENT product?

The only reason why i like farming Diablo is because combat is fun. When it ceases to be fun, i am out of there. I don't understand why people will complain something that is "mindlessly boring", then spend hours doing it.

Grinding is no fun, but in most games, it is a necessity so you can get enough XP/loot/gear to go do something more fun.  If I had to cut out all of the no-fun parts, I'd never play an MMO at all.  It's just not realistic to think that it's all going to be wonderful.

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  nariusseldon

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OP  2/08/13 2:49:29 PM#46
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cephus404
 

To be honest, I'd very rarely ever chat with the people I was in a PUG with, they were there to achieve something, usually to gain levels or loot, there was no reason for communication so most of the time, nobody bothers.  However, I almost always had a chat window open to talk to friends in, especially since a lot of grouping in PUGs is so mindlessly boring and repetitive anyhow, just follow the group around, perform a function, rake in XP.

THe first part make sense. The last sentence does not. If anything is "mindlessly boring", why would you do it in an ENTERTAINMENT product?

The only reason why i like farming Diablo is because combat is fun. When it ceases to be fun, i am out of there. I don't understand why people will complain something that is "mindlessly boring", then spend hours doing it.

Grinding is no fun, but in most games, it is a necessity so you can get enough XP/loot/gear to go do something more fun.  If I had to cut out all of the no-fun parts, I'd never play an MMO at all.  It's just not realistic to think that it's all going to be wonderful.

Or in F2P games, you *can* pay to by-pass some of the no-fun part. That is also what i don't understand. Are the fun parts so compelling that many players are willing to endure the no-fun parts?

Personally i won't. I will just switch game and play one that only have fun parts. And there are plenty of those for me.

  Cephus404

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2/08/13 4:24:27 PM#47
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cephus404
 

To be honest, I'd very rarely ever chat with the people I was in a PUG with, they were there to achieve something, usually to gain levels or loot, there was no reason for communication so most of the time, nobody bothers.  However, I almost always had a chat window open to talk to friends in, especially since a lot of grouping in PUGs is so mindlessly boring and repetitive anyhow, just follow the group around, perform a function, rake in XP.

THe first part make sense. The last sentence does not. If anything is "mindlessly boring", why would you do it in an ENTERTAINMENT product?

The only reason why i like farming Diablo is because combat is fun. When it ceases to be fun, i am out of there. I don't understand why people will complain something that is "mindlessly boring", then spend hours doing it.

Grinding is no fun, but in most games, it is a necessity so you can get enough XP/loot/gear to go do something more fun.  If I had to cut out all of the no-fun parts, I'd never play an MMO at all.  It's just not realistic to think that it's all going to be wonderful.

Or in F2P games, you *can* pay to by-pass some of the no-fun part. That is also what i don't understand. Are the fun parts so compelling that many players are willing to endure the no-fun parts?

Personally i won't. I will just switch game and play one that only have fun parts. And there are plenty of those for me.

There's no such thing as an MMO that only has fun parts though, the grind is a part of the genre.  I will never pay a penny in any game (outside of a subscription) to lessen the grind.  I accept it as what it is, a part of the game.  If there were enough really good single player games, I'd never play another MMO as long as I lived.

Which I guess is why I haven't played one in almost a year.  Lots of really good single-player games out at the moment.

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  nariusseldon

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Posts: 19248

 
OP  2/10/13 1:08:32 PM#48
Originally posted by Cephus404
 

There's no such thing as an MMO that only has fun parts though, the grind is a part of the genre.  I will never pay a penny in any game (outside of a subscription) to lessen the grind.  I accept it as what it is, a part of the game.  If there were enough really good single player games, I'd never play another MMO as long as I lived.

Which I guess is why I haven't played one in almost a year.  Lots of really good single-player games out at the moment.

It does not have to be. Look at D3. There is no grind. Combat is just pure fun. MMO can be like that. Also i am playing STO and there is no grind. Just play the story missions as a SP/co-op game.

But like you say, there are enough games (MMO or not) that are fun through and through. There is very little reason to spend time on non-fun part of any game.

What SP games are you playing? I just started Dead Space 3. I like it better than the second one. And finally crafting matters!

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