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  azzamasin

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We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

1/27/13 7:21:22 AM#101
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by azzamasin
Without a doubt ESO.  ArcheAge is just to much of a clone for my tastes.

LOL! You seriously believe that statement? ROFL!

 

Yup seeing as combat is easily 90% of a games main focus and AA uses a very archaic bland WoW style tab targetting combat system AA is more clone then ESO ever will be.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  MyTabbycat

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1/27/13 7:22:46 AM#102

ESO for me.

AA is going to have a difficult time living up to expectations.

I'm wary of Korean MMO's.

  User Deleted
1/27/13 7:25:22 AM#103
I simply cant pick one. So i will play TESO for the PvP and AA for Crafting.
  DSWBeef

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1/27/13 7:28:04 AM#104

Archeage. The perfect mix of Sandbox and Themepark IMO. Player ships, houses, guild keeps, diving, treasur hunting, sieges, pirate faction, doesnt seemed dependant on gear treadmill, I could go on and on. 

The only reasons ill check TESO out is RVR and that its a TES game.

Playing: Archeage Alpha, War Thunder, World of Tanks
Waiting on: Archeage, Wild Star, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  DSWBeef

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1/27/13 7:29:41 AM#105
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by azzamasin
Without a doubt ESO.  ArcheAge is just to much of a clone for my tastes.

LOL! You seriously believe that statement? ROFL!

 

Yup seeing as combat is easily 90% of a games main focus and AA uses a very archaic bland WoW style tab targetting combat system AA is more clone then ESO ever will be.

Wait because AA uses tab targetting combat its more of a Wow clone then TESO? Which we already know is intanced focused, trinity, classes, and has no housing? 

Mind Boggling.

Playing: Archeage Alpha, War Thunder, World of Tanks
Waiting on: Archeage, Wild Star, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  azzamasin

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1/27/13 7:39:03 AM#106
Originally posted by Sidraket
Originally posted by eldaris

TESO but depends on how big is the world, if there are zones linked by portals or an open world like Vanguard ,how important is crafting compared to dungeons drops , if they force people into raids for endgame or not and the most important how fun is the faction vs faction pvp.I hope they managed to do something like planetside or at least warhammer for pvp but I need to try it, gw 2 pvp sounded great until I played it .
ArcheAge , I would have tried if they had PVE only servers or faction vs faction, not interested in FFA or guild vs guild pvp.Too bad developers seem to think the only way to make a sandbox is to force people into these types of PVP.
Anyway I hope that both of them launch with lot of features and polished, with so many mmos out there players will not give many chances to a newly launched game.

I can already tell you what TESO will be like. It will be a wow clone with rvr tacked on like WAR was, only i actually think they will get rvr done a little better than WAR did.

Should you be confused as to what a wow clone is: a wow clone is an EQ clone with instanced dungeons and soloquestgrinding to the level cap.

Depending on how bad they mess up TES lore, and how good the rvr ends up being, it may be a decent game. Im not getting my hopes up though.

Wrong a WoW clone isa game that features a linear game world, from creation to level cap.  A reliance on questing through a hand holding system and a class based system with zero deviation from the trinity gameplay.  It also features systems which radically change from creation to level cap.  i.e. Solo Questing through the level up portion culminating in an endgame consisting of grinding dungeons and raiding for gear which is a radical departure from the initial early levels.  WoW and their clones also foster asshatery style game play, sysstems that promote competition among resources even amongst your own factions with mob tagging and single use crafting resource gathering.  Lets also not forget the stand still and exchange blows of the combat system....yes that glorious tab targetting boring system which offers nothing exciting and remotely interesting to the genre.  In fact it isn't uncommon to hear stories of people watching TV while playing, eating a sandwhich with one hand or other neferious things while "playing" the game.  Call me old fashioned but I am not a masochist when it comes to playing video games and if I am so bored that I require other avenues of entertainment while playing then that system becomes obsolete (this same EXACT system with no deviation whatsoever is the basis for ArcheAge).

 

ESO offers none of that, ESO is an open world free form exploration centric non hub questing system identical to Skyrim in its questing experience and although like many games today and the last 8 years solo leveling might be the norm (fairly certain AA is concentrating on single player soloing to the cap as well) it does offer incentives to groups with shared resources and experience plus the ability to aquire better loot & experience through playing well instead of brute forcing your way with tab targetting combat.  Play better and get better, true skill.  ESO also has an open world dungeon system which promotes group exploration much like the games of yesteryear.  ESO offers alot but in the form of a themepark whcih is the best form of gameplay because its the most fun and rewarding as opposed to the bland grind nature of the sandbox.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  ShakyMo

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1/27/13 7:41:54 AM#107
TESO has open dungeons, and equality of gear from pvp, pve and crafting. It also has persistent pvp and no minigame pvp.

All 3 of those features are decidedly not wow clone.
  ShakyMo

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1/27/13 7:43:35 AM#108
Because to me your "wow clone" experience is best summed up by having an end game where you sit in city queueing to do some sort of instanced content.
  azzamasin

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1/27/13 7:45:05 AM#109
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by azzamasin
Without a doubt ESO.  ArcheAge is just to much of a clone for my tastes.

LOL! You seriously believe that statement? ROFL!

 

Yup seeing as combat is easily 90% of a games main focus and AA uses a very archaic bland WoW style tab targetting combat system AA is more clone then ESO ever will be.

Wait because AA uses tab targetting combat its more of a Wow clone then TESO? Which we already know is intanced focused, trinity, classes, and has no housing? 

Mind Boggling.

Yes, 90% of a MMO existence is based on combat and it is the exact same combat system as WoW so in essence it is more clone then ESO ever will be.

 

BTW ESO is not instanced focused, its the first MMO in years to feature open world dungeons.  It alos offers the best open ended class based system I have ever seen in an MMO.  Pick a class that suits your style but still have the freedom and ability to customize its use of Weapon and Armor and the ability to level up your skills.  No 2 magic users fireballs will be identical in ESO.  ESO has an amazing amount of customization not only in the equipment but in the skills themselves. 

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Vannor

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1/27/13 7:46:20 AM#110
If ArcheAge can pull off all the promises, that'll be the game for me. I'm sceptical though.
  Vesavius

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1/27/13 7:49:31 AM#111
Originally posted by Vannor
If ArcheAge can pull off all the promises, that'll be the game for me. I'm sceptical though.

 

'Can'? It's been released already, right?

No need to be sceptical... just scoot over and look.

  User Deleted
1/27/13 7:51:01 AM#112

AA as it looks to offer plenty of elements which interest me.

 

TESO on the other hand doesn't excite me at all, with all the hype driven by the brand name alone.

  azzamasin

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1/27/13 7:51:29 AM#113
Originally posted by Vannor
If ArcheAge can pull off all the promises, that'll be the game for me. I'm sceptical though.

Yea don't get me wrong I intend to try AA but I am not hyped one bit for it because primarily it is an Asian Game first and formost it feels and looks very Aion like to me but I am intrigued by some systems it uses and am willing to shell out a few bucks to test them when the game releases, which should be this year.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  kuey

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1/27/13 8:07:00 AM#114
AA for sure so I can dance naked in front of people whilst throwing them in jail. Would love to spend all day hunting down people who just got out and sending em back in. 
  Rhoklaw

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1/27/13 9:47:18 AM#115

I can't vote for both, but I will be playing both as they offer 2 completely different game elements.

ArcheAge will give me my sandbox, houses, farming, abundant class system and so on.

TESO will give me my controlled PvP environment with 3 warring factions which is what I loved about DAoC.

  funcon

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OP  1/27/13 11:08:11 AM#116
Originally posted by Rhoklaw

I can't vote for both, but I will be playing both as they offer 2 completely different game elements.

ArcheAge will give me my sandbox, houses, farming, abundant class system and so on.

TESO will give me my controlled PvP environment with 3 warring factions which is what I loved about DAoC.

Yeah, but if they're both sub based games, I wont be paying 30 a month to play video games.

  Betaguy

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1/27/13 11:19:26 AM#117
Even if Archeage has cool features I still prefere TESO as I dislike anything made in the western market gamewise. Art direction, sound effects, gameplay all lacking for my taste.

  Torvaldr

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1/27/13 12:07:42 PM#118

I'm not really super psyched for either, but I'm watching ArcheAge a lot closer.  I think Jake Song is rather brilliant and the systems in place for ArcheAge interest me more.  For zone style pvp I have GW2 with WvW and don't really need another.

That said, how they market them will heavily influence whether I try or play them.  If they're sub-free with a box fee (B2P) then I would be more inclined to buy them.  If they're sub-locked then I'll pass on them no matter what.  I'm not renting access to games anymore.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Axxar

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1/27/13 1:45:35 PM#119

The art style of ArcheAge isn't western enough for me to find it appealing, and honestly I doubt it can deliver well. So for now at least it's TESO for me. I just hope they can capture all the good stuff from DAoC and Elder Scrolls to make a great MMO. Time will tell.

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  maccarthur2004

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1/27/13 3:30:10 PM#120

AA will be the closest of UO* and L2 that we will have, from a big budget project, in the near future. TESO, in the other hand, seens to be a WoW** clone (tbh i dont know much the game, but that is my starting impression).

So, if you do prefer UO, you will more likely to like AA. If you prefer WoW, TESO for sure will be more to your taste.

 

*Freedom, open world, sandbox tools,dinamic and changeable enviroment, player housing, meaningful pvp, politics, etc

**On rails, instanced, hand holding, single-player oriented, lobby game, minigame pvp, etc

 

 

 

 

 

"What we are aiming in ArcheAge is to let the players feel the true fun of MMORPG by forming a community like real life by interacting with other players, whether it be conflict or cooperation." (Jake Song)

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