Originally posted by nariusseldon

Since some here don't like games without persistent worlds, let's list the game being discussed (with a forum) on this site that does not have an open persistent world. So people can avoid them .. and we know which is which.

I will start ...

- League of Legends

- World of Tanks

- Diablo 3

- Path of Exile

- Gundam Capsule Fighter

- Guild War (does this count?)

- Hawken

- DOTA 2

- Mechwarrior Online

- Marvel Heroes (does this one count, they seem to have open zones)

- Vindictus (most of the game is in instanced right?)

... anything else?

Guild Wars had persistent cities, towns and outposts, but the rest was instanced. I guess if GW counts as not having a persistent world, then DDO would count as well, since it uses the same idea (persistent cities, instanced adventure areas).

 

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Originally posted by nariusseldon Since some here don't like games without persistent worlds, let's list the game being discussed (with a forum) on this site that does not have an open persistent world. So people can avoid them .. and we know which is which. I will start ... - League of Legends - World of Tanks - Diablo 3 - Path of Exile - Gundam Capsule Fighter - Guild War (does this count?) - Hawken - DOTA 2 - Mechwarrior Online - Marvel Heroes (does this one count, they seem to have open zones) - Vindictus (most of the game is in instanced right?) ... anything else?

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You know, it appears this thread isn't MMO based as the primary content of your subject only speaks of MOBA style games, or CORPG. Just saying ;)

 

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Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by RefMinor

Lets start a petition to get them removed.

+1 to start things off.

I was half expecting that the first response would be a cheap shot from a purist. ...and you did not disappoint. narius served that on a platter.

You were expecting a serious answer to a troll thread?

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Quirhid
 

You were expecting a serious answer to a troll thread?

How is this a troll thread?

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Quirhid
 

You were expecting a serious answer to a troll thread?

How is this a troll thread?

Someone is just upset that a) there are games listed here with forums that have no persistent world, and they can't do a thing about it, and b) they don't even want to face a thread with information about which game has a persistent world, and which one not.

It is obviously there is serious debate about how to even view that (as the discussion about DDO & GW). I think you can ignore them, and focus on the discussions. They are the trolls.

Originally posted by L0C0Man

 

Guild Wars had persistent cities, towns and outposts, but the rest was instanced. I guess if GW counts as not having a persistent world, then DDO would count as well, since it uses the same idea (persistent cities, instanced adventure areas).

I suppose we should focus on the gameplay element. After all, these are all games for entertainment. If the persistent areas are served as lobbies, and are not involved in most of the gameplay, i wouldn't count them as "persistent world".

I think it should only count if significant amount of gameplay happens there.

 

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by L0C0Man

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Guild Wars had persistent cities, towns and outposts, but the rest was instanced. I guess if GW counts as not having a persistent world, then DDO would count as well, since it uses the same idea (persistent cities, instanced adventure areas).

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I suppose we should focus on the gameplay element. After all, these are all games for entertainment. If the persistent areas are served as lobbies, and are not involved in most of the gameplay, i wouldn't count them as "persistent world".

I think it should only count if significant amount of gameplay happens there.

 

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I never played GW1. Can you craft in the cities? What about NPC vendors and dueling other players?

* Could you pick up a quest, do all the steps of the quest and complete the quest within the confines of the persistent city?

Continent of the Ninth Seal (C9)

very similar to Vindictus, nice visuals and animations. Horrible non persistent world.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by L0C0Man

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Guild Wars had persistent cities, towns and outposts, but the rest was instanced. I guess if GW counts as not having a persistent world, then DDO would count as well, since it uses the same idea (persistent cities, instanced adventure areas).

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I suppose we should focus on the gameplay element. After all, these are all games for entertainment. If the persistent areas are served as lobbies, and are not involved in most of the gameplay, i wouldn't count them as "persistent world".

 

I think it should only count if significant amount of gameplay happens there.

 

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I never played GW1. Can you craft in the cities? What about NPC vendors and dueling other players?

* Could you pick up a quest, do all the steps of the quest and complete the quest within the confines of the persistent city?

 

I only played GW1 briefly quite some time ago. My impression is that i have never encountered a quest that i can do 100% inside a city. I am spending 99% of the time in instances.

However, i do NOT see all the content, so i cannot say for sure that everything is like that.

BTW, how about GW2? Did they completely do away with this system.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Quirhid
 

You were expecting a serious answer to a troll thread?

How is this a troll thread?

Because the post is vague. Do you know since mmorpg.com left its starting genres for cash income by promoting singleplayer games on this site also that includes a lot of non-mmo's and non-mmorpg's. Though the majority of players here still think entirely about these when making topics and posts. Not games that are single player, singleplayer with multiplayer support, lobby games, rts, or fps games.

Majority of these games listed are not mmorpgs, and some arent even mmo's. So a vague question usualy gets vague responses.

If he titled the topic mmo games or mmorpgs without persistant worlds instead of games on this site, then it would be a different story. Then you could label all the text based browsers they have here as well.

But persistant worlds ar3e not just about mmorpgs, PW's were in games well before the mmorpg days as early as the mid 80's in single player style games. So the topic is vague, needs clarification to what he is getting at.

Seems kinda like OP just wants to stir of controversy. If that's the case, By the way, none of the games you listed are MMO's, that's why they dont have persistant worlds.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by L0C0Man

 

Guild Wars had persistent cities, towns and outposts, but the rest was instanced. I guess if GW counts as not having a persistent world, then DDO would count as well, since it uses the same idea (persistent cities, instanced adventure areas).

I suppose we should focus on the gameplay element. After all, these are all games for entertainment. If the persistent areas are served as lobbies, and are not involved in most of the gameplay, i wouldn't count them as "persistent world".

I think it should only count if significant amount of gameplay happens there.

 

1st:

Nobody is upset, but you...

You are trying to redefine what a persitant world is, because a few months back you didn't get it, now it is your new favorite defense mechnism/talking point.

 

2nd:

If persistant "areas".. (do you mean world) are being served as lobbies... it is still persistant. You cannot redefine it as a non-persistant game with lobbies, because that is how you perceive it.

You don't even have a firm understanding of what you are talking about and mix talking-points constantly. So hilarious to listen to you thread-crap everywhere about this subject, when u have no understanding, or even a definition of what your talking about.

I bet you cannot even define a "lobby game"..!  (ie: There are no Avitars in a lobby, because you waiting to get into a game world).

 

3rd:

We understand YOU wouldn't consider a persistant words as such, if it can be used for anything else, such as players gathering for an action-adventure.

We understand you don't understand^... & that you understand so little, that you must actively try to re-label what a "persistant world" is, because you are incapable of playing any other gamestyle. You are simply a lobby queen w/shinny armor and feel good & comforted by the artificial instanced wall that makes you even (in your eyes) with harden players.

We get it... your afraid of open persistant worlds and because you are afraid, you want to relabel everything as a lobby...

 

But, unfortuneatly for you... Narius you don't get to redefine, or relabel things. You must accept them as they are. Face it kiddo..  You are at the wrng website, this is MMORPG.com, not battlenet, or Battlefield...

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Quirhid
 

You were expecting a serious answer to a troll thread?

How is this a troll thread?

Someone is just upset that a) there are games listed here with forums that have no persistent world, and they can't do a thing about it, and b) they don't even want to face a thread with information about which game has a persistent world, and which one not.

It is obviously there is serious debate about how to even view that (as the discussion about DDO & GW). I think you can ignore them, and focus on the discussions. They are the trolls.

When did this become a "serious debate"?  Aren't you the one who constantly proclaims video games are purely entertainment?  Let's call a spade a spade, this is forum PvP, nothing more.

 

Originally posted by Aeonblades
Seems kinda like OP just wants to stir of controversy. If that's the case, By the way, none of the games you listed are MMO's, that's why they dont have persistant worlds.

And yet they are listed here with forums. So i suppose the scope of this site is all online games, and NOT MMORPGs.

So what kind of online games do you like?

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Quirhid
 

You were expecting a serious answer to a troll thread?

How is this a troll thread?

Someone is just upset that a) there are games listed here with forums that have no persistent world, and they can't do a thing about it, and b) they don't even want to face a thread with information about which game has a persistent world, and which one not.

It is obviously there is serious debate about how to even view that (as the discussion about DDO & GW). I think you can ignore them, and focus on the discussions. They are the trolls.

When did this become a "serious debate"?  Aren't you the one who constantly proclaims video games are purely entertainment?  Let's call a spade a spade, this is forum PvP, nothing more.

 

And "serious debate" is good entertainment, isn't it? So is this forum a persistent world, if we can pvp in it?

 

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Aeonblades
Seems kinda like OP just wants to stir of controversy. If that's the case, By the way, none of the games you listed are MMO's, that's why they dont have persistant worlds.

And yet they are listed here with forums. So i suppose the scope of this site is all online games, and NOT MMORPGs.

So what kind of online games do you like?

The kind with persistant worlds, not glorified ARPG's with lobbies.

Originally posted by Phelcher

But, unfortuneatly for you... Narius you don't get to redefine, or relabel things. You must accept them as they are. Face it kiddo..  You are at the wrng website, this is MMORPG.com, not battlenet, or Battlefield...

wait .. so you agree or not agree with the list? In your opinion, do these games have persistent world or not?

Don't tell me you think all the games supported (with a forum) in MMORPG have persistent worlds?

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Aeonblades
Seems kinda like OP just wants to stir of controversy. If that's the case, By the way, none of the games you listed are MMO's, that's why they dont have persistant worlds.

And yet they are listed here with forums. So i suppose the scope of this site is all online games, and NOT MMORPGs.

So what kind of online games do you like?

The kind with persistant worlds, not glorified ARPG's with lobbies.

Do you think there are MMOs that are "glorified ARPGs with lobbies"? I supose you must. Because ARPGs are just APRGs, they are not "glorified" ARPGs.

 

 

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by dave6660

When did this become a "serious debate"?  Aren't you the one who constantly proclaims video games are purely entertainment?  Let's call a spade a spade, this is forum PvP, nothing more.

And "serious debate" is good entertainment, isn't it? So is this forum a persistent world, if we can pvp in it?

Haha!  If it is a persistant world, you can't put it on your list.  Plus, you'll get people asking for "end game" content.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Aeonblades
Seems kinda like OP just wants to stir of controversy. If that's the case, By the way, none of the games you listed are MMO's, that's why they dont have persistant worlds.

And yet they are listed here with forums. So i suppose the scope of this site is all online games, and NOT MMORPGs.

So what kind of online games do you like?

The kind with persistant worlds, not glorified ARPG's with lobbies.

Do you think there are MMOs that are "glorified ARPGs with lobbies"? I supose you must. Because ARPGs are just APRGs, they are not "glorified" ARPGs.

 

 

No. I really don't see where you are going with this. If it is lobbied, it is not an MMO, its just an RPG with an online element.