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General Discussion Forum » The Pub at MMORPG.COM » Why is there not an MMO that you can solo 100% of everything?

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  Torvaldr

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12/16/12 1:54:50 PM#81

There used to be.  It was called Lineage.  In fact being able to solo what it took others to group up for was a symbol of status.  Even people who duo'd high level areas had respect because it took skill.

Then along came the EQ and FFXI model where Japanese companies thought it would be a clever way to boost population numbers by implementing forced grouping and trinity mechanics.  And that's what we have had ever since.

Unfortunately the Western audience didn't take to the slow leveling open world no real quest approach.  Lineage is still popular in Korea.  Even those it's 2.5d isometric and sprite based it still has more people playing and brings in better revenue than most Western games except maybe WoW and GW2.

Lineage was the only truly sub game I've ever played too.  The game cost $15 per month and it included everything including the ability to play on all 3 servers (Ken Rahuel, Depardieau, and Lands of Aden).  There were no xpac fees and if you wanted to rename, you re-rolled.  It sported open world pvp with consequences and meaning that included dueling and sieging among other features.  Characters and accounts had a place and reputation in the community.  PvE was a challenge but each class had its way to play and compete.  Skillful players could eventually solo very difficult content, but grouping was promoted through safer less risky game play and as a PK deterrent.

It was a fun game that let you play pretty much any way you wanted.

 

Curse you AquaScum!

  Nitth

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12/16/12 1:57:17 PM#82


Originally posted by Torvaldr
There used to be.  It was called Lineage.  In fact being able to solo what it took others to group up for was a symbol of status.  Even people who duo'd high level areas had respect because it took skill.

Then along came the EQ and FFXI model where Japanese companies thought it would be a clever way to boost population numbers by implementing forced grouping and trinity mechanics.  And that's what we have had ever since.

Unfortunately the Western audience didn't take to the slow leveling open world no real quest approach.  Lineage is still popular in Korea.  Even those it's 2.5d isometric and sprite based it still has more people playing and brings in better revenue than most Western games except maybe WoW and GW2.

Lineage was the only truly sub game I've ever played too.  The game cost $15 per month and it included everything including the ability to play on all 3 servers (Ken Rahuel, Depardieau, and Lands of Aden).  There were no xpac fees and if you wanted to rename, you re-rolled.  It sported open world pvp with consequences and meaning that included dueling and sieging among other features.  Characters and accounts had a place and reputation in the community.  PvE was a challenge but each class had its way to play and compete.  Skillful players could eventually solo very difficult content, but grouping was promoted through safer less risky game play and as a PK deterrent.

It was a fun game that let you play pretty much any way you wanted.

 


nvm misread


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  Darth-Batman

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12/16/12 2:04:43 PM#83
I know, I hate grouping in mmos it always feels so forced, I dont even want to see other people when I log in. You know what im really pissed off about though, how come there arent any single player games out there where i can group with friends and get to end-game just so I can solo all the dungeons for elite loot? Thats what I want, that would be the best game ever!
  azzamasin

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12/16/12 2:08:27 PM#84

There is, its Called Asheron's Call.

 

 

Because it was my first MMO and supported and even rewarded skillful solo play I will forever have a soft spot in my heart for anything solo related.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  MsGamerlady

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12/16/12 2:10:51 PM#85

Perhaps it's not out because no one made one?

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

12/16/12 2:17:01 PM#86

Should never be able to solo end game content, kind of odd that you level up and work hard to get to max level just so you can cut thru end game content. A max level dungeon or boss should be a push over, it should require some type of group, some planning, strategy, some brain power. Not just rush in and be able to kill everything for the loot.

Thats what helped mmorpgs to faulter in the first place with all this "i want", "instant win button, "its too hard" mentality that has plaqued the industry. Dumbed these games down so much its pathetic. I want a challenge, to use skill, to be notorious for take out a dungeon or boss.

  Nitth

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12/16/12 2:19:48 PM#87


Originally posted by Onomas
Should never be able to solo end game content, kind of odd that you level up and work hard to get to max level just so you can cut thru end game content. A max level dungeon or boss should be a push over, it should require some type of group, some planning, strategy, some brain power. Not just rush in and be able to kill everything for the loot.

Thats what helped mmorpgs to faulter in the first place with all this "i want", "instant win button, "its too hard" mentality that has plaqued the industry. Dumbed these games down so much its pathetic. I want a challenge, to use skill, to be notorious for take out a dungeon or boss.


It's also sad people solo up to cap and then don't have the group skills to do any of the content...


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  Zorgo

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12/16/12 2:23:46 PM#88

oooo....I got it.

Same reason there isn't an mmo which has 100% group content and the same reason there isn't an mmo which has 100% raid content.

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

12/16/12 2:31:18 PM#89
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Onomas
Should never be able to solo end game content, kind of odd that you level up and work hard to get to max level just so you can cut thru end game content. A max level dungeon or boss should be a push over, it should require some type of group, some planning, strategy, some brain power. Not just rush in and be able to kill everything for the loot.

 

Thats what helped mmorpgs to faulter in the first place with all this "i want", "instant win button, "its too hard" mentality that has plaqued the industry. Dumbed these games down so much its pathetic. I want a challenge, to use skill, to be notorious for take out a dungeon or boss.

 


 

It's also sad people solo up to cap and then don't have the group skills to do any of the content...

This too, yes thank you.

Like a medic not healing, or a tank not tanking, no communication, etc. Grouping helps improve your gameplay and skill, nit take away from it. You learn more by cooperation than running off into the wild by yourself.

 

Now dont get me wrong, some stuff should be solo, alone time for the player, but not 100% of the game.

  User Deleted
12/16/12 2:49:57 PM#90
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).
  Banaghran

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12/16/12 2:52:55 PM#91
Originally posted by Torvaldr

There used to be.  It was called Lineage.  In fact being able to solo what it took others to group up for was a symbol of status.  Even people who duo'd high level areas had respect because it took skill.

Then along came the EQ and FFXI model where Japanese companies thought it would be a clever way to boost population numbers by implementing forced grouping and trinity mechanics.  And that's what we have had ever since.

Unfortunately the Western audience didn't take to the slow leveling open world no real quest approach.  Lineage is still popular in Korea.  Even those it's 2.5d isometric and sprite based it still has more people playing and brings in better revenue than most Western games except maybe WoW and GW2.

Lineage was the only truly sub game I've ever played too.  The game cost $15 per month and it included everything including the ability to play on all 3 servers (Ken Rahuel, Depardieau, and Lands of Aden).  There were no xpac fees and if you wanted to rename, you re-rolled.  It sported open world pvp with consequences and meaning that included dueling and sieging among other features.  Characters and accounts had a place and reputation in the community.  PvE was a challenge but each class had its way to play and compete.  Skillful players could eventually solo very difficult content, but grouping was promoted through safer less risky game play and as a PK deterrent.

It was a fun game that let you play pretty much any way you wanted.

 

L2 was the same, up to a point.

But i would not recommend it to anyone these days, NCWest was always incompetent and NCSoft isnt what it used to be before half of their devs left, but what i saw since i started to play again out of nostalgia two weeks ago...

But you may find a good c4 or gf server, if you search.

Flame on!

:)

  xeniar

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12/16/12 2:57:55 PM#92
Originally posted by Mr_C
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).

We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 

  Banaghran

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12/16/12 3:06:26 PM#93
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Mr_C
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).

We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 

Offended exactly by whom?

Its far for a homogenous group, there is a difference if you prefer to do things on your own and if you want a singleplayer experience.

In other words, are you offended by crafters that they want to solo a rock, then duo with the anvil to create a piece of armor to sell to you?

Flame on!

:)

  xeniar

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12/16/12 3:08:20 PM#94
Originally posted by Banaghran
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Mr_C
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).

We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 

Offended exactly by whom?

Its far for a homogenous group, there is a difference if you prefer to do things on your own and if you want a singleplayer experience.

In other words, are you offended by crafters that they want to solo a rock, then duo with the anvil to create a piece of armor to sell to you?

Flame on!

:)

you have apearantly not read what i said nor the title of the thread.

  User Deleted
12/16/12 3:12:28 PM#95
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Mr_C
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).

We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 

I am so glad you're not the one who defines the genre. So far everything is pointing to that you group fanatics arent worth listening to either, since games are moving more and more away from your extremistic requirements and thus have become better games to play.

  Nitth

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12/16/12 3:13:57 PM#96


Originally posted by Mr_C

Originally posted by xeniar

Originally posted by Mr_C I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).
We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 
I am so glad you're not the one who defines the genre. So far everything is pointing to that you group fanatics arent worth listening to either, since games are moving more and more away from your extremistic requirements and thus have become better games to play.

Misread, Sorry


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  xeniar

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12/16/12 3:16:42 PM#97
Originally posted by Mr_C
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Mr_C
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).

We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 

I am so glad you're not the one who defines the genre. So far everything is pointing to that you group fanatics arent worth listening to either, since games are moving more and more away from your extremistic requirements and thus have become better games to play.

if they have become better games to play then why are so many of these themeparks crashing and burning? with players often returning to WoW, because lets face it WoW will be the #1 thempark out there forever. there issnt gonna be any game better then wow by just copying it. nor by stating you do this and that difrently but in the end the core game is the same. and WoW does it better.

henceforth we need something really diffrent wich is returning to the roots of what an MMO was all about.

  Banaghran

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12/16/12 3:18:01 PM#98
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Banaghran
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Mr_C
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).

We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 

Offended exactly by whom?

Its far for a homogenous group, there is a difference if you prefer to do things on your own and if you want a singleplayer experience.

In other words, are you offended by crafters that they want to solo a rock, then duo with the anvil to create a piece of armor to sell to you?

Flame on!

:)

you have apearantly not read what i said nor the title of the thread.

I did, i just didnt expect you really holding the belief that forced grouping is the only way to go.

My bad then, ill be off :)

Flame on!

:)

  mgilbrtsn

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12/16/12 3:19:15 PM#99

ummmm,

MMO - Massive Multi......

Not sure if this is a serious question or not.  If it is, it shouldn't be.  By definition, an MMO is geared towards multiplayer interactions.  For games that are pure solo, play an RPG.  There are a lot of them out there.

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  Latronus

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12/16/12 3:25:13 PM#100
Originally posted by Mr_C
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Mr_C
I find it weird that group fanatics are being offended that someone want an MMO with soloable content. Like they are forced to play that or getting sleepless nights. (If someone start having sleepless nights due to an MMO with solo content  then serious helped is highly recommended).

We (the group loving get of my lawn group) are deeply offended by it yes. Its taking what this Genre is all about the very foundation of it all and smashing it too pieces. I'm not saying we are having sleeples nights over it, But this is a De-evolution of the genre not a step forward as some claim. 

I am so glad you're not the one who defines the genre. So far everything is pointing to that you group fanatics arent worth listening to either, since games are moving more and more away from your extremistic requirements and thus have become better games to play.

They are moving away from group requirements because they want $$$ and because of WoW there are a bunch of execs that know nothing about what an MMO is that are dictating that games be more soloable so you, the entitlement generation wont have to to go see Dr. Phil because you can't handle having to work for something.  Just because you and your generation can log in and win DOES NOT MAKE A GAME BETTER TO PPLAY!

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