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  aponelee

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11/21/12 10:38:49 AM#41
hmm, I think there is no definetly right answer for everyone, different guys have different opinions. You will only pay for something which is valuable in your mind. If I think the game is interesting and I'd like to spend some time each day on it, I will pay that $15 per month.

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  zimboy69

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11/21/12 11:08:16 AM#42

$15 dollers is cheap but when you multiply this  by  two  or three people

and  by two or three games  it becomes  a lot of money very quickly

 

especialy when you dont play that game  very much in a month

 

there comes a point that you simply must choose  and atm nothing in the mmo world beats gw2  so why pay a sub

  CalmOceans

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11/21/12 11:14:31 AM#43
Originally posted by Tonin109

any game with monthly fee has a cash shop now

I don't think that's accurate, FFXIV is relaunching as P2P again and I don't believe it has a cash shop.

Does Rift have a cash shop?

 

Games without cash shops should promote the heck out of the fact they don't have one, I think it would attract players.

  Loktofeit

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11/21/12 12:37:00 PM#44
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Strycker

This will be a short, little post/rant.

Something that has been bugging me the last year or two in the industry is the freemium and B2P model taking off. This is my personal opinion: I think their downright awful (Freemium more than B2P). Yet this isn't the part that really makes me boil, but this huge populatiuon of people popping up stating that it's a A) Barrier of entry and B) Any "sub game" (mentioned almost as a blasphemous term these days) will result in failure in an adjusting market.

I'm not going to sit here and make a pros and cons list of each BUT;

When I pay my $15 a month I:

- Don't have to actively be reminded I'm spending money on a game regularly (And certaintly not in seperate installments every week).

- KNOW that I'll have access to ALL the current  and upcoming content without having to do a damn thing.

- My immersion stays intact without seeing: "You have to spend X to unlock Hotbar 2 or Bagslot 6".

- In terms of barrier to entry: There's trials for just about every MMO, even free clients to level X. Hell, in RIft's example, buying the game is cheaper for the first month than paying the sub would be!

- It's FIFTEEN dollars a month; I know people are from different incomes, areas, etc , but comeon here. When I was 14 I could put aside fifteen dollars a month for an MMO, and now that I'm a broke college student fending for myself - I'm still capable and happily willing to put aside fifteen dollars for a vice that offers hundreds of more hours and more variety than most.

That last point just leads me to believe that stereotypes revolving around gamers, specifically MMOers, is true:

We're fat, lazy, and broke kids who sit around all day jobless.

Hardy har har, Netflix should be freemium and you buy movies individually instead of being charged 7.99-14.99 a month!

You don't quite understand 'barrier to entry'.

Every step in the funnel toward getting a person into the game is a barrier to entry. One of the reasons many subscription games moved the credit card info off the free trial was because that, too, was a barrier to entry.  It was another step in the process of getting into the game. For most remaining subscription MMOs, the entire trial signup process has even been reduced to one single page (ex: WOW, EVE) to reduce the steps along the way to get people into the game. The barrier isn't the amount of money, rather the extra step and extra decision in that process (for either box fee or subscription fee) when trying the game. It does not refer to monthly cost or financial ability to handle ongoing payments.

For the other points, it's rather clear you don't have any interest in an answer other than RAWR UR RIGHT RAWR, so I won't suffer you through any counterpoints on them.

 

Well, in truth, you don't have any other counterpoints since most of what he wrote is his personal preference which of course isn't universally shared with others. In his own mind, he is generally right.


Kyleran, "I don't like F2P" is personal preference.  "In subscription I have access to all the content for my 15 dollars" is not a statement of preference but a statement of fact, and it's false for the majority of sub-based games out there.

"Selling me things in the middle of my video game breaks my immersion" is personal preference. His statement infers that F2P has intrusive ads or immersion-breaking content like that in game. That is false. Kyleran, his stance could have easily been "When I pay my $15 a month Aunt Sally doesn't catch fire." Much like Aunt Sally catching fire, F2P games don't have ads popping up everywhere trying to get you to buy stuff while you're playing.

 

But, if we're going to run with the contention that if he's right in his own mind then he's right, then I guess you are correct, and it would be silly of me to present a position to the contrary. :)

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  Sovrath

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11/21/12 12:43:34 PM#45
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 
 

I've played several F2P and have never been reminded or even needed to spend money on it regularly

Your saying you don't get those li'l e-mails from turbine constantl announcing sales and deals for turbine coins? or every little chance in game that "you earned 5 coins here's a chance to go to the store 'now'!"

 

  Ichmen

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11/21/12 12:53:58 PM#46

people should learn to ignore cash shop spam. when i boot up f2p games that have the cash shop in the launcher or in game around the minimap. i tune it out, and ignore it. as i have never once felt the need to use cash shop even in the really bad pure p2w games.

when i look at p2p/b2p/f2p titles i dont look at the price but the game play.  and figure if i will be playing it heavy or light.  if its heavy game play (avg 6+hrs a day) then fine a p2p game isnt bad be it $1 -$20 a month. as i would be getting my entertaining out of it.  now if im only going to play it a week here and there maybe 2hrs a day... then p2p is just pointless im spending money on a product im barely using.  thats where i look at b2p or free games. as i dont have to worry iv pissed X amount of cash down the toilet this month or that month cause i only played once that month. 

all in all the best games for value are b2p games. i enjoyed gw1 for the simple fact i didnt have to dedicate any actual time to it, to get my value for money out of it so the price tag isnt as bad. 

i didnt bother with tsw as i didnt see my self playing it heavy.  (hell i barely play WoT now days, if i was subbing to that i would be pissed at my self lolol)

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  uruzu

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11/21/12 12:54:52 PM#47

I dont know why there is rarely the option of the ''point system'' in Europe or NA.

 

Going back and forth between UK and Asia for a while now, I remembered in Asia ( Not sure if its still the case now since I've not paid attention to any Asian MMOs lately) , you can just pop to the mail downstairs and buy point cards for all kinds of online games on the market. 

I think offering the point system as an option (with the other option being monthly subs) is great for people like me , who play sgames ''iregularly'' (on/off) and doesnt want to be ''tied down'' to a particular game. 

  Anthur

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11/21/12 1:00:45 PM#48

The add of cash shop on top of subscription more or less killed my will to pay a monthly fee anymore.

If a game would have only a subscription I would pay it. 15$ is really not the world. But how many MMO's are left with such a payment model ?

And I never bought this bullshit from subscription games saying, if you want more "optional" content you must pay for those extra in the cash shop. It's pure greed. So, only option unfortunately are f2p or at max b2p mmos. I find it quite funny that I actually spent much less than 15$ a month if any money at all in those games. But hey, wasn't my decision. ;)

  VengeSunsoar

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11/21/12 1:08:30 PM#49
I've gotten emails from every gamr company: p2p, b2p, f2p. I never once received an in game mail or ad or anything likr that advising or suggesting a new item or buy something in any game ever.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Thorbrand

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11/21/12 1:12:03 PM#50
What needs to happen is no box price free 1st days and than pay a monthly sub. This is stop developers from creating these current failed games. Remember a MMO not lasting 1yr was a fail now you can't even get them to hold subs for 30days. Such a sad state we are in.
  Xsonic

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11/21/12 1:17:50 PM#51

If you have been playing an MMO for a long time and whine about the game(but still can't quit due to addiction with gaming), maybe it is time to take a break and play some good old fashion single player games. Just saying, there's a lot of games out there; you should not stay and play a game you don't enjoy(ie. grindfest games).

Just quit the games you don't enjoy. The game companies will notice the decline of players and will think twice before making crappy products.

  Lazzaro

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11/21/12 3:43:05 PM#52

Just give me a free trial and if I like it I'll sub.

  redcapp

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11/21/12 3:57:56 PM#53
I'd much rather pay fifteen dollars a month.  Mico transactions are crap.  Seriously don't understand these people spending hundreds of dollars on cash shop items. 
  VengeSunsoar

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11/21/12 4:01:55 PM#54
Originally posted by redcapp
I'd much rather pay fifteen dollars a month.  Mico transactions are crap.  Seriously don't understand these people spending hundreds of dollars on cash shop items. 

Thats the thing.  Most don't spend hardly anything.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  dariuszp

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11/21/12 4:10:04 PM#55

I expect 2 ways to pay for game:

1. Monthly fee - pay same amount of money each month to get unlimited content

2. Hours fee - buy hours of playing and spend them when you play.

3. F2P - play for free but pay for additional content or to save some time

 

That's probably everything. I hate monthly fee when I'm working on some projects at my free time (what I do quite often) because I can work for weeks without playing any game and I thing that paying monthly fee is a waste of my money.

I would love hour fee. Charge your time and spend it while playing. It would be nice to have "PAUSE" in the game that also stop that clock since I would need to turn off the game every time I need to jump somewhere to do some stuff.

This is why for quite some time I stopped playing P2P games and I switchet to F2P like GW2 and PS2. 

  Rydeson

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11/21/12 4:26:18 PM#56
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by aladinversuk
i'd rather play in a F2P server rather than a subscribtion based one. having monthly sub fee could make you feel obligated to play the game else your money will just be wasted. in a f2p server, vip or premium services are optional and you can pick it up whenever you feel like it.

 

'wasted'?

How little would you actually have to play in a week to feel like £2.50 (or thereabouts) was 'wasted'? An hour? Two?

My thought is that if you are playing less than an hour a week in a MMORPG often enough to feel the burn of the 'waste' then maybe this genre isn't for you.

My opinion is that the sub offers amazing value on an ongoing basis and promotes better core game design and a more stable community, with less focus on manipulating you into spending, and a more even play field for play to achieve gamers.

I used to have 5 level 80's all in raid gear in WoW, I have 2 max level toons in SWTOR, and 1 max level toon in Rift in raid gear, a few LoTRO toons I miss playing, a handful of toons in EQ1 and more toons w/ house in EQ2 that I would like to play.. SO... Are you saying I should shell out $80+ a month to play my games, and not feel like I'm wasting part of it, or most of it?  Have you ever tried raiding in 5 different games at the same time?  Think about it?

I actually think that the F2P model is pretty destructive to these games on a number of levels and, overall, represent worse value (under the often illusion of 'choice').

PS. edit.. I would like to try out STO as well, but I'm wanting to pay a sub  for that either.. now we are up to $100 a month, and ArcheAge, NWN  and ES are just around the corner.. Should I add those 3 games to my $15 a month list as well?  Not sure about you, but I don't have $150 a month to waste on subscriptions..

 

Questions before I answer...

Are you saying, honestly, that you really need to play all these games concurrently? Really? How many do you play at once right now and which ones are they?

Why did you choose these sub games to play rather then the tons of F2P ones out there, taking your play needs into account and all?

How long do you spend in each title? Also, how much do you think that it would cost you to unlock the ability to fully access high level/ raid play in these games under a cash shop?

Please be honest rather then fib to support a point. I am just trying to get a clear picture of your true play habits rather then a lot of 'used to's and 'want to's.

 

Are you saying that the main benefit to F2P is that it allows a handful of players to play 5+ MMORPGs for maybe 3 hours a week each?

 

 

     I play games like I eat my food..  It's all about personal preference..  Do I eat chicken every day until I tire so much of it, that I stop?  NO..  Or as I am with golfing.. Do I play the same course every day until I become bored of it? NO.. Have you every heard of burn out?   It's a very popular thing that happens to people that do the same thing over and over and over..  Why should I be forced to playing one game, when there are so many out there to play..  IMO.. Sub based games are a dying breed..  It's a shame that most F2P options are broken.. 

     No need to be so defensive when others dont' like sub based games..  Especially, when standing in my shoes.. :)

  redcapp

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11/21/12 5:52:50 PM#57
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by redcapp
I'd much rather pay fifteen dollars a month.  Mico transactions are crap.  Seriously don't understand these people spending hundreds of dollars on cash shop items. 

Thats the thing.  Most don't spend hardly anything.

Cash shops are designed to get you to spend more. 

  Rydeson

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11/21/12 6:00:57 PM#58
Originally posted by redcapp
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by redcapp
I'd much rather pay fifteen dollars a month.  Mico transactions are crap.  Seriously don't understand these people spending hundreds of dollars on cash shop items. 

Thats the thing.  Most don't spend hardly anything.

Cash shops are designed to get you to spend more. 

and maybe they should be designed to "pay as you go"..  I prefer a nice good ole pay as you go type of system and I wish there was more formats like that..   Some players consume the game content so fast, that sure they prefer a sub based game, because it's like a buffet..  While others might prefer an "ala carte" type of system that is more casual friendly..  It might take someone a year to digest all the content a hardcore gamer will do in 3 months.. Why should a casual player pay a penalty for slower play? 

  VengeSunsoar

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11/21/12 6:03:32 PM#59
Originally posted by redcapp
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by redcapp
I'd much rather pay fifteen dollars a month.  Mico transactions are crap.  Seriously don't understand these people spending hundreds of dollars on cash shop items. 

Thats the thing.  Most don't spend hardly anything.

Cash shops are designed to get you to spend more. 

Well then they aren't designed very well because there have been numerous studies, results posted on these very boards by several different sources showing between 60 and 80 percent of people pay nothing ever.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Vesavius

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11/21/12 6:09:19 PM#60
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by aladinversuk
i'd rather play in a F2P server rather than a subscribtion based one. having monthly sub fee could make you feel obligated to play the game else your money will just be wasted. in a f2p server, vip or premium services are optional and you can pick it up whenever you feel like it.

 

'wasted'?

How little would you actually have to play in a week to feel like £2.50 (or thereabouts) was 'wasted'? An hour? Two?

My thought is that if you are playing less than an hour a week in a MMORPG often enough to feel the burn of the 'waste' then maybe this genre isn't for you.

My opinion is that the sub offers amazing value on an ongoing basis and promotes better core game design and a more stable community, with less focus on manipulating you into spending, and a more even play field for play to achieve gamers.

I used to have 5 level 80's all in raid gear in WoW, I have 2 max level toons in SWTOR, and 1 max level toon in Rift in raid gear, a few LoTRO toons I miss playing, a handful of toons in EQ1 and more toons w/ house in EQ2 that I would like to play.. SO... Are you saying I should shell out $80+ a month to play my games, and not feel like I'm wasting part of it, or most of it?  Have you ever tried raiding in 5 different games at the same time?  Think about it?

I actually think that the F2P model is pretty destructive to these games on a number of levels and, overall, represent worse value (under the often illusion of 'choice').

PS. edit.. I would like to try out STO as well, but I'm wanting to pay a sub  for that either.. now we are up to $100 a month, and ArcheAge, NWN  and ES are just around the corner.. Should I add those 3 games to my $15 a month list as well?  Not sure about you, but I don't have $150 a month to waste on subscriptions..

 

Questions before I answer...

Are you saying, honestly, that you really need to play all these games concurrently? Really? How many do you play at once right now and which ones are they?

Why did you choose these sub games to play rather then the tons of F2P ones out there, taking your play needs into account and all?

How long do you spend in each title? Also, how much do you think that it would cost you to unlock the ability to fully access high level/ raid play in these games under a cash shop?

Please be honest rather then fib to support a point. I am just trying to get a clear picture of your true play habits rather then a lot of 'used to's and 'want to's.

 

Are you saying that the main benefit to F2P is that it allows a handful of players to play 5+ MMORPGs for maybe 3 hours a week each?

     I play games like I eat my food..  It's all about personal preference..  Do I eat chicken every day until I tire so much of it, that I stop?  NO..  Or as I am with golfing.. Do I play the same course every day until I become bored of it? NO.. Have you every heard of burn out?   It's a very popular thing that happens to people that do the same thing over and over and over..  Why should I be forced to playing one game, when there are so many out there to play..  IMO.. Sub based games are a dying breed..  It's a shame that most F2P options are broken.. 

     No need to be so defensive when others dont' like sub based games..  Especially, when standing in my shoes.. :)

 

I actually think you are trying to switch this back to me with 'defensive' jibes and the like, because maybe you think attacking is a good defense or something, when all I really did was ask you a series of questions (which you didn't answer).

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