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Rift Forum » General Discussion » Wow, just wow, the current best MMORPG is RIFT

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  strangiato2112

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11/15/12 9:42:30 PM#21
Originally posted by Stimos8

I really dont think you can read? and gw 2 is far off the list due there lack of innovative content

If gw2 is far off the list for lack of innovative content, how the heck is Rift on the list then?

  Stimos8

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OP  11/15/12 9:46:05 PM#22
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by SirFubar

I won't argue that Rift have a good developpement team, that is a fact.

A good development team wouldn't have copied WoW mechanics and style almost point for point, before slapping in a few surface gimmicks to make it seem unique. Nor would they have instancing. Instancing is a clear sign of bad game design most of the time.

Not true, its common knowledge to give people what they want, rather then what you think they want. Most mmorpgs released lately are based of the "wow concept" but try to add in unique features thinking that people will like them, when really it pulls people out of their comfort zone. A good development team knows this rule, and instead of pulling people away from what they like, they decide to go with something that is already proven to work, and thus you have a game that people actually want to play.

  GeezerGamer

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11/15/12 9:47:59 PM#23
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Stimos8

I really dont think you can read? and gw 2 is far off the list due there lack of innovative content

If gw2 is far off the list for lack of innovative content, how the heck is Rift on the list then?

GW2's innovations are nothing more than an accumulation of tradeoffs. For everything GW2 brought to the table, something major was sacrificed and for many, the new innovations simply wern't enough to offset the loss.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Stimos8

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OP  11/15/12 9:50:52 PM#24
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Stimos8

I really dont think you can read? and gw 2 is far off the list due there lack of innovative content

If gw2 is far off the list for lack of innovative content, how the heck is Rift on the list then?

The quantity of innovative content, as opposed to the majority. Just because a game may have more certain innovative elements to another game, does not mean that they have more overall content. Guild wars 2 cant keep you occupied to the game for more then 2 weeks, i mean you can pretty much well complete most things in that time, even if you play it very casually it might last you 2 months, still i dont see how that is a good casual game at all.

  DavisFlight

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11/15/12 9:54:50 PM#25
Originally posted by Stimos8
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by SirFubar

I won't argue that Rift have a good developpement team, that is a fact.

A good development team wouldn't have copied WoW mechanics and style almost point for point, before slapping in a few surface gimmicks to make it seem unique. Nor would they have instancing. Instancing is a clear sign of bad game design most of the time.

Not true, its common knowledge to give people what they want, rather then what you think they want. Most mmorpgs released lately are based of the "wow concept" but try to add in unique features thinking that people will like them, when really it pulls people out of their comfort zone. A good development team knows this rule, and instead of pulling people away from what they like, they decide to go with something that is already proven to work, and thus you have a game that people actually want to play.

I never thought I'd meet anyone who actually believed that doing NOTHING new is a good thing.

People don't want WoW, hence why almost every WoW clone has failed. If they want WoW, they'd be playing WoW. Or do you think the fact that Rift has had a shrinking population since launch a coincidence?

  DavisFlight

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11/15/12 9:55:32 PM#26
Originally posted by Stimos8
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Stimos8

I really dont think you can read? and gw 2 is far off the list due there lack of innovative content

If gw2 is far off the list for lack of innovative content, how the heck is Rift on the list then?

The quantity of innovative content, as opposed to the majority. Just because a game may have more certain innovative elements to another game, does not mean that they have more overall content. Guild wars 2 cant keep you occupied to the game for more then 2 weeks, i mean you can pretty much well complete most things in that time, even if you play it very casually it might last you 2 months, still i dont see how that is a good casual game at all.

And because Rift has absolutely 0 innovative or new content, I got bored in 30 minutes.

  maddhatter44

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11/15/12 10:02:32 PM#27
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Stimos8
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Stimos8

I really dont think you can read? and gw 2 is far off the list due there lack of innovative content

If gw2 is far off the list for lack of innovative content, how the heck is Rift on the list then?

The quantity of innovative content, as opposed to the majority. Just because a game may have more certain innovative elements to another game, does not mean that they have more overall content. Guild wars 2 cant keep you occupied to the game for more then 2 weeks, i mean you can pretty much well complete most things in that time, even if you play it very casually it might last you 2 months, still i dont see how that is a good casual game at all.

And because Rift has absolutely 0 innovative or new content, I got bored in 30 minutes.

the way they approched the level of design you have with your housing is 1.

but what game do you play that is so innovative?

  mWo4life

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11/15/12 10:05:02 PM#28
Originally posted by vigg2004
I just couldn't get into Rift PvE.  I found the questing incredibly bland.  I dreaded going to the next quest hub.  DE's were OK.

The thing about Rift is that you don't need to do a lot of quests. I'm lvl 30, and still in the first zone. I lvl up from raids, instant adventures, pvp and dangoeon.

  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

11/15/12 10:06:18 PM#29
Originally posted by grimgryphon

Well, in your opinion.

In MY opinion, it is the best MMO out there right now too. I'm having a blast.

However, expect contrary opinions, especially from GW2 fans.

They're still bitter about buying a Cadillac and getting a Pinto.

 

I'm loving GW2.  Its the best mmorpg I've played by far and above. 

 

I haven't played Rift, but I can say it looks graphically stunning.  It's hard to tell from screen shots, but I'd say it looks graphically better than GW2.  The only reason I haven't given Rift any kind of consideration is I'm done with sub fees.  I don't intend to ever pay them again.  Otherwise I'd probably pick up Rift and at least try it. 

 

But bitter because I bought GW2?  Never. 

  Stimos8

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OP  11/15/12 10:06:19 PM#30
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Stimos8
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Stimos8

I really dont think you can read? and gw 2 is far off the list due there lack of innovative content

If gw2 is far off the list for lack of innovative content, how the heck is Rift on the list then?

The quantity of innovative content, as opposed to the majority. Just because a game may have more certain innovative elements to another game, does not mean that they have more overall content. Guild wars 2 cant keep you occupied to the game for more then 2 weeks, i mean you can pretty much well complete most things in that time, even if you play it very casually it might last you 2 months, still i dont see how that is a good casual game at all.

And because Rift has absolutely 0 innovative or new content, I got bored in 30 minutes.

Innovation is not simply restricted to any certain or specific games, but more or less an all around mmo concept.

  cybertrucker

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11/15/12 10:07:26 PM#31

I felt like I was tripping over mobs in RIFT which killed alot of the immersion. That and running around with bots/players that just never really spoke to one another. Allowing people to bypass dungeons untill level 50 and then going back to to do them was one of the worst things any game has EVER... Tonight in GW2 I ran AC explore 2 at level 40 and i was grouped with 2 level 80s and a level 49 and a level 42... Their system just is better as it allows everyone to play together.

Also i will give mention to TERA as the combat in TERA is just fun. Unfortunately TERA is restrained by having to wait for Korea to put anything out.

  FizbanFizban

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11/15/12 10:09:39 PM#32
Rift is a good game, a good themepark mmo
  mWo4life

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11/15/12 10:10:08 PM#33
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by grimgryphon

Well, in your opinion.

In MY opinion, it is the best MMO out there right now too. I'm having a blast.

However, expect contrary opinions, especially from GW2 fans.

They're still bitter about buying a Cadillac and getting a Pinto.

 

I'm loving GW2.  Its the best mmorpg I've played by far and above. 

 

I haven't played Rift, but I can say it looks graphically stunning.  It's hard to tell from screen shots, but I'd say it looks graphically better than GW2.  The only reason I haven't given Rift any kind of consideration is I'm done with sub fees.  I don't intend to ever pay them again.  Otherwise I'd probably pick up Rift and at least try it. 

 

But bitter because I bought GW2?  Never. 

You can always try it. its free till lvl 20. The graphics is little outdated, "stunning" is a too big of a word to describe graphics in Rift. At beast you could say it looks good, but its far from stunning in terms of graphics.

  Corehaven

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I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

11/15/12 10:15:50 PM#34
Originally posted by Stimos8
Originally posted by Tokken

You're right WOW is the best!

GW2 is the best casual game!

Rift has the best development!

I really dont think you can read? and gw 2 is far off the list due there lack of innovative content, it is far from the best casual game out there, holds absolutely nothing, to any of these other games. WoW was exceptionally but has hit the ground, both of them are therefore missing one thing that rift has, and that is the ability for potential and the way that potential is being exercised. In other words, wow was great but is getting worse and worse, gw 2 was never anything and rift was ok and is becomming more and more exceptional.

 

GW2 has a lack of innovative content?  From what I've read Rift is an excellent WoW clone, but thats doing something well, not necessarily innovation.  GW2 mixes up the entire enchilada. 

 

I'm also really confused why people call GW2 a "casual" game.  I can solo quest and basically never die in WoW.  Maybe 3 or 4 times max all the way to level cap.  In GW2 death happens 2 or 3 times every 5 or 6 hours I play.  Dungeons are admititdly very difficult to the point there are complaints by many.  Large boss or chamion fights can leave whole fields of dead players.  How is this casual?  Again I'm a little baffled by these statements. 

 

The art direction of the game itself is beyond amazing.  The world really does feel hand crafted, and it looks it.  The music is the best I've ever seen in an mmo as well.  So to say GW2 is nothing is you just not preferring it to Rift.  You wanted a more traditional mmo feel.  That's fine, and Rift shows its quality graphically to me if nothing more. 

 

But to actually say GW2 was nothing?  That's just you hoping to convince people your game of choice is better, and its likely closest competitor is literally "nothing".  Grow up. 

  Corehaven

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11/15/12 10:18:50 PM#35
Originally posted by mWo4life

You can always try it. its free till lvl 20. The graphics is little outdated, "stunning" is a too big of a word to describe graphics in Rift. At beast you could say it looks good, but its far from stunning in terms of graphics.

 

Oh....well I might do that sometime if I'm bored eventually.  I'm enjoying GW2 too much right now to do much of anything else. 

 

Like I said all I've seen is screenshots.  I dont think Ive hardly even seen the game in motion.  Like I said sub fee automatically turns me off to anything having one.  Not that they're bad for people who like paying them.  Its just not for me.

  fyerwall

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11/15/12 10:19:07 PM#36
Originally posted by cybertrucker

I felt like I was tripping over mobs in RIFT which killed alot of the immersion. That and running around with bots/players that just never really spoke to one another. Allowing people to bypass dungeons untill level 50 and then going back to to do them was one of the worst things any game has EVER... Tonight in GW2 I ran AC explore 2 at level 40 and i was grouped with 2 level 80s and a level 49 and a level 42... Their system just is better as it allows everyone to play together.

Also i will give mention to TERA as the combat in TERA is just fun. Unfortunately TERA is restrained by having to wait for Korea to put anything out.

sadly the same is true in GW2 - The social experience was akin to holding a conversation with a pet rock... no one really talked save for general chat and then it was nothimg more than your standard MMO gen chat experience.

As for allowing people to bypass dungeons, who cares? It never stopped me from finding a group at the correct level when I wanted to run an instance.

Try as you might, but GW2 suffers from the same social silence, bots and gameplay of other mmos - all Anet did was remove some features that people later realized they liked and repackaged everything else in a slightly different form.

There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  Torvaldr

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11/15/12 10:19:24 PM#37
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by grimgryphon

Well, in your opinion.

In MY opinion, it is the best MMO out there right now too. I'm having a blast.

However, expect contrary opinions, especially from GW2 fans.

They're still bitter about buying a Cadillac and getting a Pinto.

I'm loving GW2.  Its the best mmorpg I've played by far and above. 

I haven't played Rift, but I can say it looks graphically stunning.  It's hard to tell from screen shots, but I'd say it looks graphically better than GW2.  The only reason I haven't given Rift any kind of consideration is I'm done with sub fees.  I don't intend to ever pay them again.  Otherwise I'd probably pick up Rift and at least try it. 

But bitter because I bought GW2?  Never. 

I'm not bitter about GW2 either.  I love it.

I've been subbed to rift since launch and it's a great game.  The world is beautiful and other than Trion screwing with class design too much has fun classes and combat.

I'm pretty much done with subs too.  I don't plan on renewing this sub or resubbing for any other game in the forseeable future.  I'll keep dinking around until my sub expires though.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Drolkin

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11/15/12 10:20:07 PM#38
WoW>Rift
  extolrox

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11/15/12 10:52:06 PM#39
Originally posted by Drolkin
WoW>Rift

this guy never played the game. Wow is only keeping pace and poorly at that matter as far as people giving blizzard credit for Wow being a success well it was more of a fluke with hands down every clone of it being so much better in all honesty blizzard had to take what ever was drawing the player base away and jery rig it in there. 

Right now tho I am playing the secret world just because I like the customization of the skills and the sandboxy levelessness to it. by far I can't really remember anything inovative about Wow with the fact it was just a buch of combinations of other games with Warcraft characters in it. I know a lot of people will say they disagree but I have played just about every single mmo since before they where popular and when logging into wow I simply never was impressed. If Rift had as good of marketing as Blizzard has it could have an even bigger player base yet I am still saying the future of MMO is going to be B2P in the end. People are getting quite tired of the f2p market and the p2p strategy well really what where we paying for again the servers access and patches for the broken content..... well anyways the subs are fading for a good reason and the f2p companies are having to compete now with triple A  f2p game such as DDO LOTRO AOC SWTOR so seeing RaiderZ from Miaet and PWI was quite interesting and I see the future of PWI really targeting Blizzard in the long run with the fact they have proven that they can make better games just looking at TL2. I am really hoping tho that Rift starts to really pick up in player base with the fact that in the end Rift simply is the better of the 2. I mean come on the new expantion for Wow just seems like they riped off Kung Fu Panda ... anyone know if Jack Black plays Wow? 

  User Deleted
11/15/12 10:52:08 PM#40

I feel like Trion downplayed Hunt Rifts. They are what you wish Rifts were when the game launched. You trigger specific events, build conduits, turrets, barricades, defend positions, summon bosses, 20+ player battles with massive creatures and progress unique storylines and quest chains. All non instanced and in the open world! A robust reward system attached to sweeten the deal that includes enhancements, crafting components that you actually use, and finally complete gear sets along with a built in upgrade system.

Hunt Rifts are the best open world dynamic content I have seen in an mmo. The best part is that the system is already in place to allow Trion to grow and expand Hunt Rifts indefinitely. They incorporated open world dynamic content with structure building, quest chains, crafting and gear progression into a single system. Its a home run.


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