Thee fact is no mmo can be the "best mmo ever made", and here is why. The gamers are the exact reason why no mmo can ever take that title. Since to be the best that would entail that beyond just most of the playerbase would have to agree on this fact, almost 98% of the playerbase for mmos would need to agree for it to even stand a chance. Yet tastes will always vary with a large subset hating any mmo for one reason or another, not a sandbox, hybrid, themepark, or old school mmo will ever be the best mmo ever. Till they can make an mmo that appeals to nearly every single mmo player in almost all the ways it is made then maybe, but here is the thing what of the sandboxers tthat hate themeparks, or themeparkers that want a leisure game not a game they got to actual work to make their time and fun for. Also what about solo gamers, groupers, hhardcore pvpers, raiders, pvers, explorers, and the list goes on. As you can tell there is a huuge amount of people that a mmo would have to please and catter to really that it wouljd most likely cross one fo them as cattering too much to a worth group od toher gamers in thier game.

I am not asking what is the objectively best MMO ever made, that will most likely be the one netting the most cash/sales/players, I am asking what "YOU with MMO experience" think subjectively.

That is a profoundly subjective question. What some people love, others will hate and vice versa. It's all a matter of personal preference and point of view.

Not...even close. Fanboyism, deactivate. I like the game and all, but it's a diamond in the rough...at best. It's an unpolished mess, and that's just the initial content. Who knows what the later content is like, or in the long run.

Originally posted by Mouth

I am not asking what is the objectively best MMO ever made, that will most likely be the one netting the most cash/sales/players, I am asking what "YOU with MMO experience" think subjectively.

 Way to earley for me to answer that honestly to myself. I really like the way they have designed TSW and I can see myself playing casually for a long time. I will have to wait and see how the development progresses.

History shows me that gaming companies can take something thats totally awesome, and turn it into a piece of poop.

I hope Funcom continues to build on  an awesome MMORPG that is TSW

I believe EVE is the best MMO ever made, and I don't see TSW beating it.

What is the point of these types of threads?

 

Your opinion is your opinion.  There is no basis for discussion here.

To all of you who don't think it is the best let us know what is. I for one am going to say that it is too early to say, however I do believe it to be better than any of the other garbage that has come out for a very long time. So far there is nothing I dislike about it and I have already recommended it to all of my friends.

So here is my best of all time games and yes some of them are old, so this is my rating of the games I have played as far as the amount of enjoyment I got out of them at the time.

1) Everquest

2) Dark Ages of Camelot

3) Eve Online

4) Everquest 2

Many games lately have disappointed me in that they become tedious quickly, including Rifts, Tera, and many other unnameable games which due to lack of interest slip my mind at the moment.

 

I for one have seen some elevated thought going into TSW. Hopefully it will not disappoint.

It hasn't been out a week.  Nothing can be like that can be decided in that amount of time... unless you're talking about the invention of the Sandwich.  That you could call one of the best inventions ever made.... mmmm sandwiches.

 

I give it a huge plus for going class free and level free. from all the good I have heard it could be more huge then fanboys of other games want to admit. All I have seen this year is massive wastes of money spent on the same formula we have seen before. it only takes one innovation for this industry to start thinking outside of the EQ/Wow box.

Other games slated for release soon are all based on that old formula with varions on the theme and that will be their downfall. lets hope more developers start moving away form the snorefest that is themepark MMOs.

The answer to that question is a definite "NO."  The character animations were horrible and the character customization is way too limited (at least it was in beta) for it to be the "best."  It's just a mediocre game at best.

Hmm...no.
To be honest, saying this is the best MMO ever even subjectively this close to release is ridiculous.A genre were games need time to mature, before you can really see any potential.

Right now you are in the new game high. Curve your enthusiasm for at least a year and then speculate....

Originally posted by Siveria

Not really. its just the newest wow-clone out, plays pretty much just like it, nothing special to see here really sadly. I was going to buy it till I played it and relized it was just yet another wow-like mmo with nothing really unique. I got bored pretty fast cuz like most mmo's that have come out since wow, it had to much of a "been there done that" feeling right from the start. I really don't know why people keep saying mmo's are great these days when every mmo is pretty much the same game in a new skin. Its kinda sad too because I had hopes for TSW.. I am just glad I didn't waste 50-60 bucks on yet another boring wow-clone mmo.

Though I do have to admit the setting is kinda nice and diffrent, and I really liked the UI, but not enough good points to TSW to warrant me buying it, not to mention the game is pretty piss-poorly optimized, and the load times are atrocious when you consider the graphics aren't all that great. MMO's have been on a sharp decline in quality/gameplay since wow came out, the devs just seem to be getting lazy. I've pretty much lost interest in the genre until it comes out of this cesspool of wow-cloning its currently stuck in.

      Your first sentence tells me you haven't played much if any of TSW anyone who calls it a WoW clone hasn't touched the game for any amount of time.And since I do not want my 100th ban from mmog for flaming someone I will take the high road this time.But you have really made yourself sound not too smart in your post sorry.

Originally posted by Mouth

So.

Take a product launch of a new MMO. Look at what is available of tech and market opportunities. Consider inovation and budget. Can you compare a MUD of the 90s to a million-dollar investment AAA MMO like TSW. Not really. So to rephrase then - is TSW the best MMO ever made?

To me it is, but I also believe it will not be obvious to most people yet. Why?

The skill system grows and grows on you. Set-ups that crush some enemies don't work other places. Make builds for solo (and its subforms of survival, dps whatnot), grouping and pvp. Its the best skill system I've seen to date, my last favorite was guild wars 1. These are my subjective opinions.

The world and setting is just immensely original and such a fresh air in comparison to ELVES, MINOTAURS and LASERGUNS. Thank you.

The stories being told, the cutscenes which I usually skip, I don't skip at all. Most of those who play the game know why.

No false promises. Everything promised about the product is there. No false advertising.

Visual look like nothing else in the MMO marketing. Full DX11 with tesselation, there is in my opinion no launched MMO looking better, except arguably EVE which does a great job at what it does (though being way different). On my 64 bit it's super stable, but not so on my other 32-bit 4GB vista where is crashed like four times.

Crafting. Awesome system, whoever it is somewhat reduced by small polish issues such as the materials you break down (most everything you find you can break down into resources) don't have their quality tier in the name. Hopefully fixed soon.

Social. The other players appear MATURE and FRIENDLY, unlike many F2P games that I know.

The dungeons are the best in any MMO, i'll almost go objective on not be subjective. Please don't slam the dungeons here if you have not played through Polaris or Darkness War (which is even better). I've not played hell yet.

Replayability. With an almost endless array of skills that can be unlocked and three tiers of difficulty to all dungeons, mkay - there's a LOT of content here. On the hardest tier the boss tactics change, so it's not just a "dmg/hp buff" difference.

PvP - Fusang is just awesome. One could argue that world-pvp would be nice in some zones, personally though I am bored of being ganked while fighting mobs - but I do understand those that wish for it.

Innovation. The game does SO much new stuff, it dares so much. The genre, the skill system, the maturity. It is clear that the game is built by people who have worked in this industry a long time (Anarchy Online launched in 2001).

The quests: amazing and varied. Really underlining the point above about innovation. Investigations, stories, even EQ quests (Story quests) just telling you to go to a general area and work it out yourself - i love it.

Funcom is an independent developer. They don't have the marketing muscle of LucasArts or Blizzard.

In sum - to me, TSW is the best MMO ever made. Strong words, I know. Saying that does make my MUD, Everquest and Ultima Online heart bleed, cause all of them so so damn innovative too, and also sparked the same in me, love-wise, as TSW does. The feat of TSW today is what it is. A feat that moves the MMO genre forward.

Thank you.

Definitely not the best ever, but definitely the best of the last 3 years lol

I coudn't fine anything about it that I liked so for me it is not even a good MMO

no its not. its not even top 3.

not even 3 month next month on the 28 everyone will be playing guild wars 2 o.o cuz the combat system in TSW is soo clunky and stupid not even polished :/ and yes i played TSW and Gw2

Originally posted by sonicbrew

Not even close

Depends on who you ask.

 

I could not be any more happier with the game as it stands currently.  So far TSW is quickly becoming an amazing experience and as it stands Its easily in my Top 3 (right after Asherons Call and WoW vanilla).

From a technical stand point OP it probably is. 

 

WoW is still king and for good reason. I stopped playing when it was over simplified at the start of Cata, but no other mmo gives you the options and such high quality. Can TSW get there? You damn right it can. The ground work has been laid.

Originally posted by Zadera

To all of you who don't think it is the best let us know what is. I for one am going to say that it is too early to say, however I do believe it to be better than any of the other garbage that has come out for a very long time. So far there is nothing I dislike about it and I have already recommended it to all of my friends.

So here is my best of all time games and yes some of them are old, so this is my rating of the games I have played as far as the amount of enjoyment I got out of them at the time.

1) Everquest

2) Dark Ages of Camelot

3) Eve Online

4) Everquest 2

Many games lately have disappointed me in that they become tedious quickly, including Rifts, Tera, and many other unnameable games which due to lack of interest slip my mind at the moment.

 

I for one have seen some elevated thought going into TSW. Hopefully it will not disappoint.

I love opinion threads like this becasue of these types of posts.  Your top 4 are not even in the same ballpark as my top top 4.  Other then DAoC which had the suckiest PvE leveling grind in the history of MMO's (unless it was identical to EQ because I never played it) I couldnt stand any of those other 3.  EQ was all about elitists raid centered ideas and as far as I know only 2 classes could solo effectively which means all the other classes sucked.  EvE online is like playing a spread sheet and shouldnt even be considered an MMO because who the hell wants to play a space ship as an avatar.  EQ2 I did play and the combat and animations were 10times worse then TSW and everyone rails against TSW's combat.

 

I agree though most new games have dissapointed me as well because of prolly many of the same reasons, but mostly becuase they were onoriginal and were wow clones.  TSW on the other hand is as close to a WoW clone as is Eve imo.