This game is not a 'subscribe' for me. It would be a buy the box to play, certainly, but not buy the box and a subscription. It might even be a get the game client free and then subscribe, but not both.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by itgrowls

It is simply amazing that people would pay for required content in a store, has no one else played LOTRO and games like it where you can't even spend time with people you know even new people because A: you aren't subbing and B: you didn't buy a certain region that just happens to have a dungeon required for end game? seriously.

required DLC's are not a good idea in any game system, especially MMO's because you will drop people quick. Unless those people just happen to be stupid and not good with their money. (6 million sales for 12 hours of content anyone?)

I don't see where people are coming up with this LOTRO is a ripoff logic. If you really, honestly, sat down and thought about it for more than 3 seconds, you'ld realize you are wrong.

WoW costs $15 a month to even play the game. LOTRO costs $0 a month to play the game up to level 75 which is the current max level. WoW still sells expansions as does LOTRO for content. LOTRO sells quest packs in their store for ease of leveling. Average cost of said DLC regional content, about $5-7. Of course, once you've purchased said DLC, its yours forever. Unlike WoW and every other subbed game where you HAVE to pay $15 a month to play the game at all.

As for LOTRO, theres probably about 10-15 regional DLC quest packs, which equates to about 8-10 months of WoW subs. Gee, I wonder which one is a better offer. Not to mention, you only really need about 3-5 of the quest packs.

The Life-time subs me being one of them were not to pleased when LOTR went free to play and i quit playing it.

Let's take a look at your Lifetime Sub that cost you $200, which roughly equated to 20 months or less of the normal subscription rate. LOTRO launched in April 2007 and it went F2P in June 2010 which means you still got a free year out of it. Not to mention, you are considered VIP which means you still have access to all content plus you get 400 TP a month. If you feel robbed, then I'm suprised you play any MMOs at all.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by WildNature

I think everyone will be amazed when people will be transferring their wow subscriptions over to this game and they won't actually in fact go F2P. Look at WoW's own personal server forums. They are all abuzz about "The Secret" and TSW and other spelling combinations. Entire guilds are leaving WoW finally.

Now Soilder you don't believe that nonsense, really ?

I can hope and pray. :)

Originally posted by lizardbones

This game is not a 'subscribe' for me. It would be a buy the box to play, certainly, but not buy the box and a subscription. It might even be a get the game client free and then subscribe, but not both.

Because you just can't afford more? Or don't want to see your precious money dribble away?

I prefer a sub, i mainly join the game to find (i hope) a better and more mature community, sub is great filter period

Originally posted by Forgefeu

I prefer a sub, i mainly join the game to find (i hope) a better and more mature community, sub is great filter period

Good point on it being a filter.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

 

Let's take a look at your Lifetime Sub that cost you $200, which roughly equated to 20 months or less of the normal subscription rate. LOTRO launched in April 2007 and it went F2P in June 2010 which means you still got a free year out of it. Not to mention, you are considered VIP which means you still have access to all content plus you get 400 TP a month. If you feel robbed, then I'm suprised you play any MMOs at all.

sub is $15 a month  so you only need to play 14 months to make your moneys worth.. but honestly how the MMO market has gone even 14 months in one game is pushing it for many.

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

Thanks guys! :P

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

Thanks guys! :P

Bingo, You and Funcom have figured it out !

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

 

Let's take a look at your Lifetime Sub that cost you $200, which roughly equated to 20 months or less of the normal subscription rate. LOTRO launched in April 2007 and it went F2P in June 2010 which means you still got a free year out of it. Not to mention, you are considered VIP which means you still have access to all content plus you get 400 TP a month. If you feel robbed, then I'm suprised you play any MMOs at all.

sub is $15 a month  so you only need to play 14 months to make your moneys worth.. but honestly how the MMO market has gone even 14 months in one game is pushing it for many.

Well, I agree, gaming companies are pushing out a lot more worthless crap now than they did 10 years ago. However, despite only coming out 5 years ago, I think LOTRO is hands down one of the best MMO's to hit the market.

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

Entirely different dev teams.

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

I'm buying this particular game because I tried it first and found it more than satisfactory.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

See my above message, some people determined they would play the game long enough to justify paying for a lifetime sub.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

By "this silly MMO's" I assume you mean clones. This isn't one.

Thanks guys! :P

i dont know how can someone buy a lifetime sub to a game develop by Funcom. the past history from this company should be enought to people be caution about Funcom promises. 

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

quite simple, they wont stop working on it, they wont stop fixing and they wont stop developing on it in the near future.

But its safe to say, Aoc has peaked and over time it will make less and less money.

A new product will have a better chance to make money. 

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

Im trying to think of a finished mmo.. I cant think of ANY mmo that was "finished"at release.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

Many players get more time played out of a mmo then a single/multiplayer game, even before they actually start paying a sub, I dont feel cheated about that at all.

Originally posted by Panthien

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

quite simple, they wont stop working on it, they wont stop fixing and they wont stop developing on it in the near future.

But its safe to say, Aoc has peaked and over time it will make less and less money.

A new product will have a better chance to make money. 

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

Im trying to think of a finished mmo.. I cant think of ANY mmo that was "finished"at release.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

Many players get more time played out of a mmo then a single/multiplayer game, even before they actually start paying a sub, I dont feel cheated about that at all.

 

WAR was finished upon release. Then they catered to the people on the forums (first  no-no) and it all went to hell from there.

You still see them tweeting sometimes "we should have never opened up those forums."

Originally posted by WildNature

Originally posted by lizardbones

This game is not a 'subscribe' for me. It would be a buy the box to play, certainly, but not buy the box and a subscription. It might even be a get the game client free and then subscribe, but not both.

Because you just can't afford more? Or don't want to see your precious money dribble away?

i can afford sub games and i dont do it because i not accept subscriptions. I buy a game and i expect to play forever for free and buy expansions, not gametime. I have bought all the latest sub based mmos and i dont pay subs for them. I bought them like a single player game (with online features) to play for the first month which is free. The only one i have paid like 4 months of sub was WoW, 4 months of sub in one year and a half. Nothing more. I want TSW as F2P but if i buy the box i will only play the free month, once again.

Dont assume that people cant afford subs. Some people just dont support that greed

Originally posted by WildNature

Originally posted by Panthien

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

quite simple, they wont stop working on it, they wont stop fixing and they wont stop developing on it in the near future.

But its safe to say, Aoc has peaked and over time it will make less and less money.

A new product will have a better chance to make money. 

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

Im trying to think of a finished mmo.. I cant think of ANY mmo that was "finished"at release.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

Many players get more time played out of a mmo then a single/multiplayer game, even before they actually start paying a sub, I dont feel cheated about that at all.

 

 

 

WAR was finished upon release. Then they catered to the people on the forums (first  no-no) and it all went to hell from there.

 

You still see them tweeting sometimes "we should have never opened up those forums."

WAR as in warhammer? You are joking right?

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

Thanks guys! :P

      Heh alot of people are still waiting for things in AO that were promised before AoC even launched.......

I don't think most people understand why AoC had such a horrible launch.  The government would not allow the dev's to come back to work for a month because of a Norweigan law requiring them to take 1 month off right after launch.  So all the problems the game went through the first month could not be addressed and ultimately put the company in a state of  constant catch up for awhile.  This game will go the route of all Funcom games eventually: f2p but with the option of paying a sub for more features and access to additinoal content. 

Originally posted by Blacknd

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

Entirely different dev teams.

- Same guys injecting the money to the development and same guys deciding if they make a new one or work on AoC.

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

I'm buying this particular game because I tried it first and found it more than satisfactory.

- Now... that's pretty much valid.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

See my above message, some people determined they would play the game long enough to justify paying for a lifetime sub.

- I personally didnt asked my wife to marry me before I met her.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

By "this silly MMO's" I assume you mean clones. This isn't one.

- My fault here for using the word "...this...".  It might actually end beeing a great game. And that would be awsome. But please, let's stop using the term clone, since its a genre and all are suposed to be clones till someone  do  some inovations or "twists" to the existing formula. And that doesn't mean  it will be the new real deal. Anyway... good luck with the bucks. 

Thanks guys! :P

 

Originally posted by WildNature

Originally posted by Panthien

Originally posted by Anthara

I don't understand  why Funcom start the development of a new game instead of finishing/fixing AoC.

quite simple, they wont stop working on it, they wont stop fixing and they wont stop developing on it in the near future.

But its safe to say, Aoc has peaked and over time it will make less and less money.

A new product will have a better chance to make money. 

Also don't understand why people still buy games from companys with the record of releasing "unfinished" products.

Im trying to think of a finished mmo.. I cant think of ANY mmo that was "finished"at release.

Even worse.... life time subs and people buy.

I believe its only our fault if we keep getting this silly MMO's and get cheated... again, and again.

Many players get more time played out of a mmo then a single/multiplayer game, even before they actually start paying a sub, I dont feel cheated about that at all.

 

 

 

WAR was finished upon release. Then they catered to the people on the forums (first  no-no) and it all went to hell from there.

 

You still see them tweeting sometimes "we should have never opened up those forums."

This is a joke right?  Did you play war at launch?  No mmo is ever released "finiched".  That's just the nature of the beast.