Originally posted by DarkPony

To all contemplating to spend their money on a lifetime sub without having looked the actual horse in its mouth yet:

Be wise and wait a bit. Apart from a few days headstart there's nothing to win but much to lose by commiting yourself early as it will be offered post launch as well: if it turns out to be a blast you can still make that step but it will be a much better informed decision.

So unless you really like gambling or have a money tree in your back yard: a little patience is a virtue.

<3

DP, regarding the highlighted part- can you imagine what the genre would be like if the majority of today's MMO gamers actually exercised patience and self-restraint?

I don't think these are values that are instilled anymore.

Originally posted by EndDream

I think the game will certainly eventually be f2p... but they may give cool stuff when it does anyway.

I actually believe that F2P will be the future of MMos and then the tailoring of the Cash Shop items will be done by the region in which the game exists. Vanity for the west, and Power for the east.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by DarkPony

To all contemplating to spend their money on a lifetime sub without having looked the actual horse in its mouth yet:

Be wise and wait a bit. Apart from a few days headstart there's nothing to win but much to lose by commiting yourself early as it will be offered post launch as well: if it turns out to be a blast you can still make that step but it will be a much better informed decision.

So unless you really like gambling or have a money tree in your back yard: a little patience is a virtue.

<3

I hate it when Pony gets all serious 

Well, I am still grateful that people talked me out of buying the CE for Swtor. I was really hyped for Swtor and was on the verge of buying the CE then Tardcore and some others talked me out of it and I bought the normal edition.

Ultimately I left before the first sub term hit because it was so disappointing in aspects I didn't foresee. Maybe I can return the favor to someone else. Like I said: TSW might actually be a great game but we can't tell yet at this time and there are substantial risks involved because of that.

Originally posted by pierth

Originally posted by DarkPony

To all contemplating to spend their money on a lifetime sub without having looked the actual horse in its mouth yet:

Be wise and wait a bit. Apart from a few days headstart there's nothing to win but much to lose by commiting yourself early as it will be offered post launch as well: if it turns out to be a blast you can still make that step but it will be a much better informed decision.

So unless you really like gambling or have a money tree in your back yard: a little patience is a virtue.

<3

DP, regarding the highlighted part- can you imagine what the genre would be like if the majority of today's MMO gamers actually exercised patience and self-restraint?

 

I don't think these are values that are instilled anymore.

Well, you don't really need restraint when all cards are on the table and you know exactly what you spend your money on; take a look at ArcheAge's 5 long open beta's, for example. They've got nothing to hide and are trying to make the game sell itself, rather than keeping the lid closed and selling it mainly with a marketing campaign.

Also released games like EVE, Lotro or WOW have been growing in numbers over their initial years just because they were good products and word of mouth kept selling it.

When those cards are all still inside a developer's sleeve and he's already asking you for your money, it's essentially a leap of faith. It isn't so much asking for patience, but more an appeal to anyone's common sense.

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

Originally posted by jdnewell

The way I see it is they are not trying to hide anything due to the fact you can buy a Lifetime sub AFTER the game goes live.

If they really wanted to make a money grab then the offer would only be pre release like it was in so many other games. Unless I am mistaken ( and very well may be ) the other LTS offers have only been pre release. No try before you buy option. That to me seems a bit shady and looks like a money grab.

To me funcom offering LTS pre and post release actually shows at least some confidence in their product. I think its just another payment model they are offering. Nothing sinister about it in my mind.

If I would have bought LTS to AO and AoC I would have broke even at least and probably a good bit ahead considering I could log into those games whenever I wanted. I often feel like playing AoC again for a few days or a week, but dont because I have to resub again.

I personally think the people who bought lifetime subs this early are jumping the gun a bit, especially since the offer will be around post release. I will be waiting until then to decide myself.

But if they have the money and want to support Funcom then more power to them. To me $200 isnt much money, I spend more than that on other hobbies easily. And probably so do most of the people who have already bought LTS for TSW.

If your a broke college student trying to get by until graduation then it probably isnt a safe bet. But for the folks who are not in that boat its no big deal. At least to me. I work full time and make a very good living. I will spend more than $200 taking my wife and kids out to eat this month easily.

If you dont like it dont buy it, but dont trash the people that do.

Think about it...what difference does it make?  If the game sucks ass, no one will buy a LTS after launch, so still oferring one won't matter.

STO was still selling LTS after launch, because they were desperate for cash.  LotRO closed LTSs after launch, but made them available again, and announced converting to F2P shortly after they stopped selling LTSs.

Buying a LTS with LoTRO when it launched has been one of the best investments I have made in game playing over the years. I purchased mine up front on faith, and still play that game to this day. Even after it went F2P the LTS gives benefits.

I dont know if I will buy the LTS for this game yet or not, but it is something I am looking at.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Well, you don't really need restraint when all cards are on the table and you know exactly what you spend your money on; take a look at ArcheAge's 5 long open beta's, for example. They've got nothing to hide and are trying to make the game sell itself, rather than keeping the lid closed and selling it mainly with a marketing campaign.

Also released games like EVE, Lotro or WOW have been growing in numbers over their initial years just because they were good products and word of mouth kept selling it.

When those cards are all still inside a developer's sleeve and he's already asking you for your money, it's essentially a leap of faith. It isn't so much asking for patience, but more an appeal to anyone's common sense.

right on Pony. I have and WOULD purchase a game I have not tried nor beta tested. I don't necessarily need a free go to make up my mind. But I wouldn't buy a game I knew next to nothing about or a game without the NDA lifted and extensive media access. May as well stick your hand in a bag of games, pick one at random. Once you realise you have already payed your money up front what you see is what you get. When you haven't seen anything before paying, that's where the problem comes in. Anyway I really do hope no one gets burned :( On a side note, it's not pre purchase right? Just pre order? They don't take the money upfront?

I am not advocating buying a LTS to TSW at all. The wait and see approach is always best, and with Funcoms history even more so.

But to some people its worth it. Maybe they have money to burn, maybe they are in Beta and just love it, maybe they want to support funcom for this title. Who knows and who am I to judge what someone else does with their own money.

I myself advise waiting a bit to see how it all pans out. Thats just me tho. I wont knock anyone for buying a LTS. I still to this day wish I would have bought LOTRO LTS when it was initially offered.

All I can say is beware of someone asking for money and not being totally transparent with it.

Originally posted by Burntvet

Originally posted by Zekiah

I suspect a lot of gamers feel shafted by Funcom and don't feel a need to "support" them by handing over $200 before the game is even out. Just a guess though.

 

Have people not learned that buying a lifetime sub is dumb? Twice as much pre-release?

STO? that ring a bell? DCUO as well (I think).

When the customer buys a lifetime sub, they are giving up all the power to "vote with their wallets" to the developer, who is free to make any/all the unwanted or unpopular changes to a game they want.

And if you bought a lifetime sub, they don't care and won't ever care what you think: they already have your money.

 

 

You think they care about your $15 a month anyways? They care about thousands of dollars a month not 15 so ultimately your individual opinion or "vote" doesn't count. You're just a number.

And even if the game does go F2P these companies always give lifetime members a full premium sub and free store points every month so it really doesn't make a difference.

Originally posted by pierth

Originally posted by DarkPony

To all contemplating to spend their money on a lifetime sub without having looked the actual horse in its mouth yet:

Be wise and wait a bit. Apart from a few days headstart there's nothing to win but much to lose by commiting yourself early as it will be offered post launch as well: if it turns out to be a blast you can still make that step but it will be a much better informed decision.

So unless you really like gambling or have a money tree in your back yard: a little patience is a virtue.

<3

DP, regarding the highlighted part- can you imagine what the genre would be like if the majority of today's MMO gamers actually exercised patience and self-restraint?

 

I don't think these are values that are instilled anymore.

There would be a lot less Funcoms and Cryptics around.

Originally posted by DarkPony

To all contemplating to spend their money on a lifetime sub without having looked the actual horse in its mouth yet:

Be wise and wait a bit. Apart from a few days headstart there's nothing to win but much to lose by commiting yourself early as it will be offered post launch as well: if it turns out to be a blast you can still make that step but it will be a much better informed decision.

So unless you really like gambling or have a money tree in your back yard: a little patience is a virtue.

<3

You lose $50 if you do that.

Regular copy of game + lifetime sub purchase = $250

Lifetime sub =$200

So, if you are sure you are going to play it for 11 + months, it's better to get the lifestime.

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by DarkPony
 

You lose $50 if you do that.

Regular copy of game + lifetime sub purchase = $250

Lifetime sub =$200

So, if you are sure you are going to play it for 11 + months, it's better to get the lifestime.

its hard to be sure your playing nonstop for so long time these days.... i prefer not to lose anything, but if i have to lose money i rather lose 50 than 250

Originally posted by rojo6934

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by DarkPony
 

You lose $50 if you do that.

Regular copy of game + lifetime sub purchase = $250

Lifetime sub =$200

So, if you are sure you are going to play it for 11 + months, it's better to get the lifestime.

its hard to be sure your playing nonstop for so long time these days.... i prefer not to lose anything, but if i have to lose money i rather lose 50 than 250

Oh, I agree.  I was just pointing out there is a reason to get the LTS prior to getting the game.

Originally posted by maitrader

Sup guys,

 

I have been a long-time fan of Funcom... unlike many people who nitt-pick the crap out of funcom and their games, it truly is the ONLY company to offer something different and revolutionary to the genre with each game... We need more FUNCOMS ... not more Blizzards and Anets... I dont make tons of money, but I wanted to support funcom for trying a brand new spin on the genre through TSW... such balls (regardless of whether it works or not) deserves to be supported.. especially in a genre full of clones trying to be EQ or WoW... This game is being done unlike any game before its time.. for the amount of time they have been working on it (4 - 5 years anyone?), I believe this game will be good at launch, and spectacular in time. WHO ELSE BOUGHT LifeTime?!

I LOVE the concept of this game. Huge fan of H.P. Lovecraft, and to see a game where the world of myths and monsters is brought to life in present day is so exciting. The early stuff I read about TSW, from actually having to research puzzles to some of the "fake" websites that they were putting up to be found, really really cool. Some of the latest videos I've seen make me a bit nervous, but I want this game to succeed.

Having said that, I'm not sure why your hope for one game means that you need to trash game companies producing different content. It actually detracts, in my opinion, from a usefull discussion and creates a flame war. Saying you're excited about, say, pork, but that chicken and beef are incredibly boring and should be boycotted doesn't make pork better.

I'm waiting for the launch eagerly but want to see what I'm getting in to before I jump in, but I applaud them for trying to shake up the genre and hope it works.

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by maitrader

Sup guys,

 

I have been a long-time fan of Funcom... unlike many people who nitt-pick the crap out of funcom and their games, it truly is the ONLY company to offer something different and revolutionary to the genre with each game... We need more FUNCOMS ... not more Blizzards and Anets... I dont make tons of money, but I wanted to support funcom for trying a brand new spin on the genre through TSW... such balls (regardless of whether it works or not) deserves to be supported.. especially in a genre full of clones trying to be EQ or WoW... This game is being done unlike any game before its time.. for the amount of time they have been working on it (4 - 5 years anyone?), I believe this game will be good at launch, and spectacular in time. WHO ELSE BOUGHT LifeTime?!

I LOVE the concept of this game. Huge fan of H.P. Lovecraft, and to see a game where the world of myths and monsters is brought to life in present day is so exciting. The early stuff I read about TSW, from actually having to research puzzles to some of the "fake" websites that they were putting up to be found, really really cool. Some of the latest videos I've seen make me a bit nervous, but I want this game to succeed.

Having said that, I'm not sure why your hope for one game means that you need to trash game companies producing different content. It actually detracts, in my opinion, from a usefull discussion and creates a flame war. Saying you're excited about, say, pork, but that chicken and beef are incredibly boring and should be boycotted doesn't make pork better.

I'm waiting for the launch eagerly but want to see what I'm getting in to before I jump in, but I applaud them for trying to shake up the genre and hope it works.

The issue here isn't about liking pork vs chicken. It's that the restaurant has a reputation for serving food before it's thoroughly prepared. And now they are offering an all you can eat buffet.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

*snip*

The issue here isn't about liking pork vs chicken. It's that the restaurant has a reputation for serving food before it's thoroughly prepared. And now they are offering an all you can eat buffet ...

... and the main dish is still covered and you have to pay in advance.

Great analogy.

Originally posted by Burntvet

Originally posted by Zekiah

I suspect a lot of gamers feel shafted by Funcom and don't feel a need to "support" them by handing over $200 before the game is even out. Just a guess though.

 

Have people not learned that buying a lifetime sub is dumb? Twice as much pre-release?

STO? that ring a bell? DCUO as well (I think).

When the customer buys a lifetime sub, they are giving up all the power to "vote with their wallets" to the developer, who is free to make any/all the unwanted or unpopular changes to a game they want.

And if you bought a lifetime sub, they don't care and won't ever care what you think: they already have your money.

 

 

This 100+ times over.  I got burnt paying for a lifetime for lotro and it went free to play,  I felt so ripped off. Yea i can log in an play lotro any day I want, My toons are still sitting at 50 and forever will be.  When I see game offering lifetime subs I look back at lotro, dcuo, and sto and go wow.  I am glad I only got burnt one time,  I know a guy who got the lifetime for all 3, lol but then hes got a lot of income that he can burn though.

Also I was in in AOC beta, and yes I did play aoc for a while, and there is no way I would ever give them that kind of cash up front.  Lets just say I am very wary of anything funcom has to offer.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 

The issue here isn't about liking pork vs chicken. It's that the restaurant has a reputation for serving food before it's thoroughly prepared. And now they are offering an all you can eat buffet.

No, it's like a chain opened a new franchise with new employees and new cooks and everyone is saying the new restaurant is going to be terrible because the old restaurant never cooked their food properly.

Originally posted by Keyh

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 

The issue here isn't about liking pork vs chicken. It's that the restaurant has a reputation for serving food before it's thoroughly prepared. And now they are offering an all you can eat buffet.

No, it's like a chain opened a new franchise with new employees and new cooks and everyone is saying the new restaurant is going to be terrible because the old restaurant never cooked their food properly.

But not under new management.

I did, simply cause they are trying something new

New setting

Questing seems like a step forward.

No classes.

And a few things that are a change from all the WoW clones. 

I know at the start this game will probably have a few bugs and problems, but I think this game should be a lot of fun, just hoping some of my friends play , guess this will depend how things go with GW2.