.... I forgot to mention the good things (have to stay positive) :)

The graphics and settings looks rather good and the voice acting is superb.

 

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Apart from the original settings, and the good quest system

Also in red is mainly why Ill be playing.. no real long term plans for this one and think people who bought the lifetime sub are sorta nuts but who knows maybe it will grow on me more but honestly just hoping it keeps me entertained until gw2 is out. And if I do end up liking it more well,  i can just play both:)

I am curious if you find dungeons, open world content like lairs with summonable lair bosses, minigames or persistant PvP to be interesting and something you would like to do in TSW?

so far I have found PVP in the game lackluster but maybe it will grow on me we will see:) right now I'm mainly playing because I like the setting, questing system, and the skill wheel

Originally posted by ste2000

I have to say that TSW feels really shallow, it is as casual as it gets, borderline single player game.

Have you tried running any of the dungeons like Polaris or Hell risen*? (*or was it fallen?)

Btw, isn't it a little bit early to say that the gameplay is shallow after trying out just the starter area? It's like complaining WoW is simple after questing there for a few hours. The Raids in WoW are anything but simple - or were anything but simple at least.

Looking at what TSW has planned for more advanced content, the game doesn't seem shallow at all with the multiple lairs, summonable lair bosses, region bosses, nightmare dungeons for the ones that wants to pick their brains, and so on. Lastly, you have PvP where you have to shuffle your builds around to handle the steady adaptation of your opponents.

Couldn't even log in properly to give this game a chance. 15 gigs (more or less) of wasted bandwidth is all that Funcom is getting out of me.

I soak bridges in kerosene as I walk across them. No mercy for corporations.

if you don't like the Dragon faction intro, you should play other faction, probably the Templars faction.

the Dragon is chaotic, they try to show it right from the start, if you can't stand it, it's because it is not for you, sorry.

Originally posted by botrytis

I was not impressed with the game. I went in with an open mind and came out with the attitude about how bad it is and uninstalled the beta. For a 32 GB game, it could have been so much better.

       Yeah I was very disappointed also....I really loved AO and thought TSW had the potential to be even better..... I literally felt zero immersion in this game.....It felt like I was more of an observer with no choice than an actual player.

Originally posted by Mmotosher

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by botrytis

I was not impressed with the game. I went in with an open mind and came out with the attitude about how bad it is and uninstalled the beta. For a 32 GB game, it could have been so much better.

       Yeah I was very disappointed also....I really loved AO and thought TSW had the potential to be even better..... I literally felt zero immersion in this game.....It felt like I was more of an observer with no choice than an actual player.

 

Its actually very immersive as it is story driven. Ok its more a story about the world and you Are there to Solve puzzles. I much prefer this then the standard go Get 10 Wood and while you Are at it kill 10 centaurs and skin 10 furs. Then do this for 85 levels ;)

To me it is not about the world at all. I didn't feel I was part of it at all. I felt like I was playing GAIII or some other console game. Nothing about the game was immersive. Simple things like doors. How can you draw a door and not have a door knob sticking out - they were drawn on circles. The cars looked liked rectangles with drawn on bumpers,etc. It is the most unrealistic game I have seen. It is these little details that make it immersive.

When I was killing nothing but zombies for a hour, I was like "OK I have had enough." One needs more that what they are giving to be immersive.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Mmotosher

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by botrytis

I was not impressed with the game. I went in with an open mind and came out with the attitude about how bad it is and uninstalled the beta. For a 32 GB game, it could have been so much better.

       Yeah I was very disappointed also....I really loved AO and thought TSW had the potential to be even better..... I literally felt zero immersion in this game.....It felt like I was more of an observer with no choice than an actual player.

 

Its actually very immersive as it is story driven. Ok its more a story about the world and you Are there to Solve puzzles. I much prefer this then the standard go Get 10 Wood and while you Are at it kill 10 centaurs and skin 10 furs. Then do this for 85 levels ;)

To me it is not about the world at all. I didn't feel I was part of it at all. I felt like I was playing GAIII or some other console game. Nothing about the game was immersive. Simple things like doors. How can you draw a door and not have a door knob sticking out - they were drawn on circles. The cars looked liked rectangles with drawn on bumpers,etc. It is the most unrealistic game I have seen. It is these little details that make it immersive.

When I was killing nothing but zombies for a hour, I was like "OK I have had enough." One needs more that what they are giving to be immersive.

You do have a point. The object detail and artwork feels really bland, sort of like I'm playing a PS2 spiderman game. 

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Aerowyn

I find this games combat a ton more interesting that SWTOR.. SWTOR i litteraly was falling asleep while fighting. I found SWTOR to also be more clunky and didn't flow very well at all but maybe that's just me... this game could still use a lot of work with the flow and feeling of some animations especially the basic movement ones and I think that would help a lot in peoples initial reaction towards the combat... once you get a couple decks to play around with the system is a lot more fun and actually gets pretty interesting.

It's hardly a consolation that TSW combat is better than SWTOR................

I have to say that TSW feels really shallow, it is as casual as it gets, borderline single player game.

That is not bad in itself, but the Combat doesn't help the cause.

Apart from the original settings, and the good quest system, TSW has very little to offer.

 

Every quest is shareable and instances are minimum. I came across total 3 instances in 20+ missions. Stop waiting for companies to hold your hand and lead you to grouping. Ask people in chat and they will be more than happy to group up with you.

It is not a single player game, people just want to play it that way. Days of forceD grouping are gone, start takinG an initiative yourself. I have been playing with my friend since yesterday, how hard it is to group up?

If I was looking for a FPS combat game I wouldn't have looked at this game since it didn't advertise as a FPS combat game. Why do so many ignore the games they want and play the ones they don't and then complain.

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Originally posted by Soandsoso
If I was looking for a FPS combat game I wouldn't have looked at this game since it didn't advertise as a FPS combat game. Why do so many ignore the games they want and play the ones they don't and then complain.

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Since you are the first person to even mention FPS combat, perhaps you should ask yourself if it might be possible that people weren't actually asking for FPS combat.

I got a few quests into the starter town and quit. There was nothing immersive or interesting about the story at that point, and if I want to kill thousands of zombies there's much better games for it. The combat being absolutely unenjoyable doesn't help matters any.

I've tried several times to get into this game, and each time I end up quitting earlier than the last time. My current character is at the weapon selection part of the tutorial, and there she shall stay for all eternity (or until Funcom deletes her) because I just can't bring myself to pick a weapon again. They all feel and look terrible, IMO.

I can honestly say this game is one of the biggest disappointments I've had since Ultima 8. The fact that it's $50 + sub fee means I'll be passing this by completely (I'm through paying box price + sub fee for MMOs).

Edit: Regarding the Dragon intro, my character isn't bisexual or a lesbian. That's not the kind of decision / character trait that should be forced on players. It's shitty storytelling on their part. I don't care if she's a fox demon or not, it's BS.

Originally posted by Soandsoso

If I was looking for a FPS combat game I wouldn't have looked at this game since it didn't advertise as a FPS combat game. Why do so many ignore the games they want and play the ones they don't and then complain.

strange because OP compared it to other MMO's and most everyone on the forum has been comparing it vs other MMOs. Not sure what your last sentance means, people play what they want who ignores the games they want? for many the game they want isn't out yet or doesn't exist,  people complain for many reasons and haven't seen anywhere people expected this game to have any type of FPS style combat.

Originally posted by Mmotosher

Originally posted by D3lit3

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Mmotosher

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by botrytis

I was not impressed with the game. I went in with an open mind and came out with the attitude about how bad it is and uninstalled the beta. For a 32 GB game, it could have been so much better.

       Yeah I was very disappointed also....I really loved AO and thought TSW had the potential to be even better..... I literally felt zero immersion in this game.....It felt like I was more of an observer with no choice than an actual player.

 

Its actually very immersive as it is story driven. Ok its more a story about the world and you Are there to Solve puzzles. I much prefer this then the standard go Get 10 Wood and while you Are at it kill 10 centaurs and skin 10 furs. Then do this for 85 levels ;)

To me it is not about the world at all. I didn't feel I was part of it at all. I felt like I was playing GAIII or some other console game. Nothing about the game was immersive. Simple things like doors. How can you draw a door and not have a door knob sticking out - they were drawn on circles. The cars looked liked rectangles with drawn on bumpers,etc. It is the most unrealistic game I have seen. It is these little details that make it immersive.

When I was killing nothing but zombies for a hour, I was like "OK I have had enough." One needs more that what they are giving to be immersive.

You do have a point. The object detail and artwork feels really bland, sort of like I'm playing a PS2 spiderman game. 

 

So you Are saying that tsw with one of the most beautiful graphics out there looks like a PS2 game? Thats so funny :)))))

 

Pretty sure not everyone shares your opinion that it's " one of the most beautiful graphics out there." Even if that were the case, however, the character models, lack of attention to environmental details, and pretty generic art direction (colors, style, etc) make it so the "beautiful" graphics are pretty lost on me. Also, the game looks pretty bad on anything below high settings - and no I won't change my rig when for whatever reason I can play all other games at high no problem but this one.

Originally posted by Tamanous

Only pointing out one thing about this thread:

 

The Dragon intro and what some people are saying about it seems to me to be a measure of the immaturity of todays gamers. How does one feel embarassed about a story in a game? The game is a mature setting and deal with lore from a variety of cultures on our planet. When you are part of a story intro that is setting a scene it is very common in rpg games (pnp and computer) to have characters go through situations outside the player's control and comfort zone. Story is what counts. Who gives a rat's ass about the players? Sure as shit not the story teller otherwise the story is compromised.

 

Now if anyone bothered to read the lore on those two characters in the room they would have found out the guy is actually a half-demon and the woman isn't even human at all. She is a 1000+ year old kumiho. It can be discribed as an eastern fey creature typically in the form of a fox or woman. They are known for two things: 1. seducing humans and corrupting morals and 2. eating human flesh.

 

Now seeing that some posting here seem rather clueless about role playing games let me point out that fey aren't typically your happy go lucky cute little fairy folk. Any real rpg games in a mature setting use real lore and not Disney remakes of the stories. Fey folk are nasty little fuckers. They use magic, psionics or just plain trickery to typically lead humans to their doom. Kumiho in this case can seduce mortal humans easily whether it be male or female. They use powers ouside of normal human understanding. It does not matter as they are not human at all. As a tool of the Dragon our characters are lucky enough to simply be seduced to begin the out of body experience. It is a scene of magic and of ancient lore ... the exact things players are supposed to bloody look up in the game. The developers have pointed this out many, many times.

 

Now I truly hope there are more events like this in the game. I look forward to hearing all the calls for hand holding when painfully politically correct players miss the point entirely. Perhaps we will see more examples like this thread of blatantly open homophobia.

 

As for combat ... I agree for the most part. I sure hope some tweaking is yet to be done pre or even post release. Aside of bugs the story aspect of the game is quite good.

Lot of rather insulting assumptions and accusations from you here. I'm going to point out why you're wrong.

1. I knew about the lore ahead of time, I read about what you talked about, and know what fey creatures are. Pretty much everyone knows what fey are like, especially gamers/geeks. Perhaps the others here who have been following the game for a long time were also aware.

2. It's not a lack of maturity on the part of players to feel awkward and uncomfortable with the unsubtle, hamhanded and immature way the developers of the game force certain things down your throat. Little tip here: the inclusion of sexual themes is not automatically a marker of maturity. In fact a lot of people often feel otherwise. Take a look at TERA--now, they could have designed TERA in a way that was mature. A land where people dressed with little shame, where sexuality was more liberated, where the major republic was a more enlightened and sexually progressive state. Instead, they forced everyone to look like porn stars. Revealing skin and open sexuality could have been designed into that game in a more careful way, instead they designed the game with the maturity of a fifteen-year-old boy and forced it on players.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not actually mad about that scene in TSW, nor do I think TSW treats sexuality/gender with immaturity anywhere else in the game (so far). That one scene just happened to be hamhanded in a sexual way. It felt like watching a good movie and then suddenly there's a really cheesy sex scene. It just isn't necessary. Either treat the subject with the care it deserves or don't include it.

3. Blatant homophobia? In this thread? I haven't read through the entire thread after your post yet, but seriously, I don't even know where this is coming from. Just because people felt uncomfortable having cunnilingus hamhandedly acted out on-screen doesn't mean it's homophobia. Seriously, what gives?

seems to be what everyone is saying, waiting on a review from my buddy hehe

 

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

2. It's not a lack of maturity on the part of players to feel awkward and uncomfortable with the unsubtle, hamhanded and immature way the developers of the game force certain things down your throat. Little tip here: the inclusion of sexual themes is not automatically a marker of maturity. In fact a lot of people often feel otherwise. Take a look at TERA--now, they could have designed TERA in a way that was mature. A land where people dressed with little shame, where sexuality was more liberated, where the major republic was a more enlightened and sexually progressive state. Instead, they forced everyone to look like porn stars. Revealing skin and open sexuality could have been designed into that game in a more careful way, instead they designed the game with the maturity of a fifteen-year-old boy and forced it on players.

Actually, they're treating sexuality in a very mature, no nonsense way, by not making a big fuss about it. There's a very big difference in that Dragon scene in TSW or how sexuality is treated in games like TERA or singleplayer games (too many examples) on one side.

The biggest example is, look how sexuality is treated in the rest of the game: regular clothes, no overdose of lsexy underwear/bikini armor and miniskirts and skin (TERA, Aion are good examples but not the only ones), no oversexualised character models, that should already give a clue of the attitude towards sexuality in TSW, a casual, down-to-earth one. The whole Dragon scene wasn't a break of that, certainly not immature because it fitted perfectly in the TSW lore and setting.

I didn't have a problem with the scene, nor did I feel embarassed or get aroused by it: Illuminati got drugged to transfer to a past event, Templar got hypnotised and Dragon got seduced and mesmerised to get transferred, nothing more to it. There isn't even a loveline a la Bioware games about it, it was just getting down to business and getting you there where you needed to be. Nothing immature about it.

I can see how some people might feel uncomfortable about it, just like people can feel uncomfortable when confronted with nudists even when for them it's nothing special, but that doesn't mean that some people's discomfort means that nudism is immature. Neither is the Dragon astral transfer scene.

 

Seriously, it should be obvious that the whole approach towards sexuality in a TSW or TERA is miles, miles apart: in one is the appeal to sensuality and sexuality one of the core foundations, while in the other the single sensual scene ingame is a casual, business-as-usual no big deal thing: nothing to romanticize or glorify but also nothing to shy away from. If anything, it's a more mature or adult approach than the (adolescent) oversexualisation you see done in MMO's - TERA, MMO bikini armor etc - and a hell of a lot of singleplayer games.

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

i cant like the game because i hate the combat system, is very boring IMO and dodge system dont improve anything. 

i like  graphics, worlds and lor but the combat is to bad to me enjoy the game. 

i see lot of people saying the combat was improve so much compared last BW so i try again the game, bahhh is almost exactly the same with a dodge system very badly implement.

 

Basicly this for me, ive been looking forward to this game ever since i heard about it middle of last year and have been reading the official forums, watching the vids ect.

The graphics look great from what ive seen playing the beta - the little i did - , voice work well done, even making the character up i quite liked as there was a decent amount of options.

Just uninstalled the game, why...simple the combat control system is awful and makes it next to unplayable for me, played very little and even STOs combat is better than this.

 

/crying over what could have been a great game

I got a beta key from origin idk why but I said what the hell I got it I'll give it a try so I downloaded it started it and made my character I liked the cutscene but whole I'm silent I can't talk thing I didn't like its one of the things I actually like about swtor then I got started did the tutorials stuff and I just started getting bored the animations are awful and the combat is boring but even with that I forced myself to keep going hoping it would get better but I went to kingsmouth and did some quests but i just couldn't I loged off. The setting is great though I liked it but thats just about all I like about the game. 

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

2. It's not a lack of maturity on the part of players to feel awkward and uncomfortable with the unsubtle, hamhanded and immature way the developers of the game force certain things down your throat. Little tip here: the inclusion of sexual themes is not automatically a marker of maturity. In fact a lot of people often feel otherwise. Take a look at TERA--now, they could have designed TERA in a way that was mature. A land where people dressed with little shame, where sexuality was more liberated, where the major republic was a more enlightened and sexually progressive state. Instead, they forced everyone to look like porn stars. Revealing skin and open sexuality could have been designed into that game in a more careful way, instead they designed the game with the maturity of a fifteen-year-old boy and forced it on players.

Actually, they're treating sexuality in a very mature, no nonsense way, by not making a big fuss about it. There's a very big difference in that Dragon scene in TSW or how sexuality is treated in games like TERA or singleplayer games (too many examples) on one side.

The biggest example is, look how sexuality is treated in the rest of the game: regular clothes, no overdose of lsexy underwear/bikini armor and miniskirts and skin (TERA, Aion are good examples but not the only ones), no oversexualised character models, that should already give a clue of the attitude towards sexuality in TSW, a casual, down-to-earth one. The whole Dragon scene wasn't a break of that, certainly not immature because it fitted perfectly in the TSW lore and setting.

I didn't have a problem with the scene, nor did I feel embarassed or get aroused by it: Illuminati got drugged to transfer to a past event, Templar got hypnotised and Dragon got seduced and mesmerised to get transferred, nothing more to it. There isn't even a loveline a la Bioware games about it, it was just getting down to business and getting you there where you needed to be. Nothing immature about it.

I can see how some people might feel uncomfortable about it, just like people can feel uncomfortable when confronted with nudists even when for them it's nothing special, but that doesn't mean that some people's discomfort means that nudism is immature. Neither is the Dragon astral transfer scene.

 

Seriously, it should be obvious that the whole approach towards sexuality in a TSW or TERA is miles, miles apart: in one is the appeal to sensuality and sexuality one of the core foundations, while in the other the single sensual scene ingame is a casual, business-as-usual no big deal thing: nothing to romanticize or glorify but also nothing to shy away from. If anything, it's a more mature or adult approach than the (adolescent) oversexualisation you see done in MMO's - TERA, MMO bikini armor etc - and a hell of a lot of singleplayer games.

Simply put: just because women in the game aren't dressed up like porn stars doesn't mean that particular scene wasn't handled with all the delicacy of a tweenage boy.