If other sites sympathised wtih Aventurine I'm sure they would not be using an outside source for scoring, they would have ignored the review totally.

I also enjoyed the part from Tasos that the reviewer has now not even played the game at all, strange how things seem to get exagerated the further along this story goes.

Tasos in my eyes has made himself out to be a total imbecile for taking EG to task over a bad review, he is acting like a spoilt child who isn't able to get their way.

If you look for reviews outside of this site you will find more negative than positive written about DFO, a shame really as a game that has been in development for so long and had so many ppl following it that it had to turn into such a drama, and will be remembered more for it's failings than for what it has tried to bring to the MMO genre.

regardless, I think that adventurine should have left the review and EG alone. Its one stupid review and it was most likely true...

 This is the most unprofessional confuct I've ever seen from a gaming company's PR department, bar none. You'll get bad and unfair reviews, especially if you're a niche game, and again especially if the game is buggy. Get over it, don't start a flamewar like a forum troll...

Embarassing really.

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So if it’s all the same to Eurogamer we’ll just take it on the chin and stick with the original review. We don’t need their concessions. If they can live with this, so can we.

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Doesn't work like that buddy, and its a little to late now isn't it?

Tasos has every right to be upset, at least he is trying to put this all behind him so he can focus on making the game better.  I played the game for 1 month and had a great time, I plan on resubbing after my finals.  EG needs to take that review down cause the guy sounded more like a crybaby to me.

"For example, inventory management is done through dragging items from the corpses of enemies. I mean this literally - you open your bag, and physically drag the items from one pouch to the other. There are no inventory 'blocks,' and thus your inventory quickly becomes a horrid mess of vague icons left on top of each other. This gets particularly thrilling when you descend into the wonderful world of harvesting, or try to loot something from a corpse in a particularly dangerous area, and find yourself massacred while farting about with a tree for four minutes. Worse still, the entire economy is player-driven - meaning that anybody wanting to get involved in crafting has literally hours of harvesting wood, or rock, or any of the other generic resources."

have you ever heard of bags? its called orginization dipsh**

I really thought it was funny how you spent your last 14 minutes asking noob questions like how do I cast a spell...help OMG

"Using spells or arrows is somewhat less exhausting, but usually ends messily when an enemy decides to run at you, leaving you with the choice of changing weapon (a ten-second operation - five if you're particularly nimble) or running backwards in the vain hope of not dying."
 

ok 10 SECOND OPERATION? it only took me 2 seconds at most, what game would you play that takes less then 2 seconds? WTF.

I just read about this whole thing today and thought it was funny so theres my 2 cents take it or leave it.

Too bad it's finished, was fun while it lasted.

Ah well, at least now he can concentrate on fixing the game!

I think if Tasos had just left the review alone, this may all have been swept under the rug.  Now, other gaming sites have picked up the review and are posting it because of Tasos childish antics.  More people are reading this review now because of Tasos.  I think he needs to let it die.   Furthermore, I think he might be just a tad afraid to get another review, even from another source.  This will be a big hit to this game, and Tasos doesn't seem to understand that he now need to shut up.  I believe the reviewer touched on valid points, but that's just my opinion.  Just like the 2/10 was his.

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

I just got finished reading all of this (from the original review up to this response...i have not read others comments however).

First I would like to say I have not played the game or followed it or anything, I have not read 1 review or visited spent any time reading people's posts. I did watch a cinematic trailer...but I think that covers it.

So based on what I've read from these articles/responses I think I would have to agree with Tasos reaction. I think its funny how people throw around the words 'unprofessional and professional'. Based on the language of the original review that article sounds childish and unprofessional. Tasos responses have been to me well written and void of slander and mud slinging unlike the original review, especially based on the amount of time the guy spent playing it. He truly sounded like a glorified forum troll.

Here is another thought....lets say for arguments sake he played for the 9 hours he claims he did...what level was his character? I think this will be a more measureable scale than time played...you can then see how much of the game content he actually experienced.

But as with most things no one want to see an 'unbiased' opinion. The only seek to latch on to that which promotes their own agenda.

Originally posted by qbangy32

If other sites sympathised wtih Aventurine I'm sure they would not be using an outside source for scoring, they would have ignored the review totally.

You should probably take a look at the way the sites he mentioned function... The basic premise of metacritic, for example, is to pool together outseide review scores. It's... what they do.

Originally posted by Socman75

I just got finished reading all of this (from the original review up to this response...i have not read others comments however).

First I would like to say I have not played the game or followed it or anything, I have not read 1 review or visited spent any time reading people's posts. I did watch a cinematic trailer...but I think that covers it.

So based on what I've read from these articles/responses I think I would have to agree with Tasos reaction. I think its funny how people throw around the words 'unprofessional and professional'. Based on the language of the original review that article sounds childish and unprofessional. Tasos responses have been to me well written and void of slander and mud slinging unlike the original review, especially based on the amount of time the guy spent playing it. He truly sounded like a glorified forum troll.

Here is another thought....lets say for arguments sake he played for the 9 hours he claims he did...what level was his character? I think this will be a more measureable scale than time played...you can then see how much of the game content he actually experienced.

 

But as with most things no one want to see an 'unbiased' opinion. The only seek to latch on to that which promotes their own agenda.

 

If he played 9 hours, and didn't like it, he had every right to give the game the rating he wanted.

I agree with the statement that if he did only play 2 hours, and the 2 hours was boring, that's AV's fault for making a horrible introduction to what MIGHT(although I doubt it) be a good game.

It's just like LOTRO for me, LOTRO used to have the worst trial, it was so boring and not fun. The games first 10 levels were horrible, but after I got past that (on my 3rd trial) I fell in love with the game. Is it ALL my fault for not enjoying the first 10 levels? No, its not entirely my fault, its turbines for having a terrible trial/introduction to the game. Even they admitted it, which is why they eventually changed the whole newbie experience.

Geez Aventurine, either replace Tasos or get out of the business.  He is destroying your reputation.  Talk about a loose cannon that needs muzzled.

The sad thing is, he does not have a clue how asinine he comes off.  He is making John Smedley looking like Santa Claus.

I guess I should not say anything, he is a guaranteed laugh of the day every time he posts.

Hope the next reviewer gives the game a one so we can have more laughs at these bozos at Aventurine.

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

after reading the review, i've come to the conclusion that even if the reviewer didnt spend hours on end in the game, many of the complaints about the game that they had, don't need someone to spend hours with it in order to decide that they dont like it.  it doesnt take hours of playtime to figure out that the inventory and looting mechanics are awful.  it doesnt take hours of play time to decide for yourself that you dont like the combat mechanics.

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

The fanboys want the truth, such as the server logs(which may not be entirely accurate, I mean come on, AV's credibility has been shot). Your average joe doesn't care either way, they'll look at the review, and base their opinion on the game.

Reviews are there for a reason, to keep people from playing bad games. DF being one of them.

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that I've ever seen such an AMAZING GAME  LIKE DARKFALL receive as many bad reviews as it has.

Go ahead, say its all haters, but you know its not all haters.

If DF was as awesome as people think it is, it would have a majority of good reviews, which is doesn't.

Originally posted by Socman75

I just got finished reading all of this (from the original review up to this response...i have not read others comments however).

First I would like to say I have not played the game or followed it or anything, I have not read 1 review or visited spent any time reading people's posts. I did watch a cinematic trailer...but I think that covers it.

So based on what I've read from these articles/responses I think I would have to agree with Tasos reaction. I think its funny how people throw around the words 'unprofessional and professional'. Based on the language of the original review that article sounds childish and unprofessional. Tasos responses have been to me well written and void of slander and mud slinging unlike the original review, especially based on the amount of time the guy spent playing it. He truly sounded like a glorified forum troll.

Here is another thought....lets say for arguments sake he played for the 9 hours he claims he did...what level was his character? I think this will be a more measureable scale than time played...you can then see how much of the game content he actually experienced.

 

But as with most things no one want to see an 'unbiased' opinion. The only seek to latch on to that which promotes their own agenda.

 

First of all Tasos says he played not at all, 1 hour 2 hours 2 1/2 hours 3 hours. and the reviewer says he played 9. So with that information, the answer is is clearly the reviewer played 9 hours. As we all know if Tasos is talking, Tasos is lying.
 

Might wanna go back and read, well just start at 2003. Look at the way the website is managed. Look how their website has been updated (or not) ...They ban anyone who come across any less than a Tasos sycophant and yes man on the forums.

Throwing words arround like unprofesional and the like is generous. The review was factual minus a couple of points misrepresented to to ignorance or stupididty, but otherwise it was right on.

No other company or product in the world has ever gone wiothout a single negative thing sdaid about it, its 1 (ONE!!!) review.

If you agree with Tasos reaction please never go into business.

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Why does this sadden you? It is the truth. There is nothing about this response that is not 100% accurate in a common sense or business sense.

This is undisputable..

Tacos, what a joke. Really cannot fathom the mentality of the rest of the company why do they keep him?

I love the way he makes it so personal. I dont even need to read the EG review, if that's his response...then thats really all thats needed. EG could have said 'the games a fucking joke' and left it at that, still no reason come act like Tacobell did.

.|.. thats for you tinkywincos.

The saddst part is mmorpg even giving the light of day! Just bury this douche and anything in the future he touches.

I'm not a fan of Tasos. I think he is one of the worst Lead Developers I have ever seen of and one of the biggest liers on the planet. However, in this situation I can see where he is coming from and I entirely empathise with his position.

I had a go on Darkfall yesterday and played for about 4 hours. Even in that small amount of time, I can safely say that no credible journalist would give the game 2/10 as it really isn't that bad at all. I'd give it a 6 or a 7 because it does what it aims to do. It delivers the experience that Aventurine WANT it to deliver very well indeed and aside form some poor development here and there - most notably the UI and the inventory system  - the game is exactly what it wants to be. Why penalise a developer for delivering what they always intended to deliver?

The problem I have with the whole affair is that it is one dishonest developer against another dishonest journalist, which makes the task of decifering who is right and who is wrong very difficult. For those of you who don't know, Ed Zitron hasn't just been accused of this once or twice. He's been accused of it on four different occasions, each time with proof to back up the accusations being thrown around. I think we should be asking why Eurogamer would employ the "talents" of a journalist who has been proven to be a fraud before? What are they trying to accomplish? They site his impeccable track record but he doesn't have one. They say he has worked for PC Zone etc but he doesn't any more and - from what I understand - they did not part company under amicable terms. Why champion a journalist who seems to cause such distrust among his peers? 

Take the example Ed Zitron gives as a bad point: the fact that buying the game is a laborious task. I agree, it is a laborious task that is quite frustrating. Sadly however, Darkfall isn't (and never was intended to be) a mainstream MMO. They are going for a very small market segment. We talk about games like Eve being niche but Darkfall takes it to the extreme. Where as CCP were aiming MAINLY at a particular segment of the market, they did account for a fairly diverse population of gamers. Aventurine however have clearly got a very small and directed segment of gamers that they are aiming at with Darkfall, so much so that they have ONLY developed content for those players. Anyone outside of that segment can get stuffed because they aren't aiming the game at you. They have one group in mind and they really don't care about anyone else. With that in mind, they aren't interested in selling loads of copies of the game. They aren't interested in breaking records and giving everyone easy access. They only ever wanted a small user base to be interested. They want to police who can and who can't play their game. What is so wrong with that?

All in all, this whole issue is messed up. Eurogamer should have never ran the review and they certainly should employ the talens of Ed Zitron.

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

Originally posted by Infalible

I'm not a fan of Tasos. I think he is one of the worst Lead Developers I have ever seen of and one of the biggest liers on the planet. However, in this situation I can see where he is coming from and I entirely empathise with his position.

I had a go on Darkfall yesterday and played for about 4 hours. Even in that small amount of time, I can safely say that no credible journalist would give the game 2/10 as it really isn't that bad at all. I'd give it a 6 or a 7 because it does what it aims to do. It delivers the experience that Aventurine WANT it to deliver very well indeed and aside form some poor development here and there - most notably the UI and the inventory system  - the game is exactly what it wants to be. Why penalise a developer for delivering what they always intended to deliver?

The problem I have with the whole affair is that it is one dishonest developer against another dishonest journalist, which makes the task of decifering who is right and who is wrong very difficult. For those of you who don't know, Ed Zitron hasn't just been accused of this once or twice. He's been accused of it on four different occasions, each time with proof to back up the accusations being thrown around. I think we should be asking why Eurogamer would employ the "talents" of a journalist who has been proven to be a fraud before? What are they trying to accomplish? They site his impeccable track record but he doesn't have one. They say he has worked for PC Zone etc but he doesn't any more and - from what I understand - they did not part company under amicable terms. Why champion a journalist who seems to cause such distrust among his peers? 

Take the example Ed Zitron gives as a bad point: the fact that buying the game is a laborious task. I agree, it is a laborious task that is quite frustrating. Sadly however, Darkfall isn't (and never was intended to be) a mainstream MMO. They are going for a very small market segment. We talk about games like Eve being niche but Darkfall takes it to the extreme. Where as CCP were aiming MAINLY at a particular segment of the market, they did account for a fairly diverse population of gamers. Aventurine however have clearly got a very small and directed segment of gamers that they are aiming at with Darkfall, so much so that they have ONLY developed content for those players. Anyone outside of that segment can get stuffed because they aren't aiming the game at you. They have one group in mind and they really don't care about anyone else. With that in mind, they aren't interested in selling loads of copies of the game. They aren't interested in breaking records and giving everyone easy access. They only ever wanted a small user base to be interested. They want to police who can and who can't play their game. What is so wrong with that?

All in all, this whole issue is messed up. Eurogamer should have never ran the review and they certainly should employ the talens of Ed Zitron.

I"m sorry, darkfall does NOT do what it aims to do. Read the feature list on the main page, THATS what its supposed to be doing. Unfortunately they've decided to scrap all the good features and just turn it into an all out war rather than allowing you to do majority of the things that the features list.

Remember a long time ago when they said it would be the new basis of MMORPGs after its created? Yeah that wasn't too long ago actually, and unfortunately all it does it show people what NOT to do.

Their excuse for making a bad game is NOW that its "niche" which it wasn't ever intended as that. Hell even Tasos now says its a "niche" game. Did you hear him saying that before the game came out?

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

You and all the darkfall fanbots are missing the point.. It is obviously impossible to reason with any of you.. in 8 -10 years most darkfall fanbots will become legal adults and hopefully by that time get some real world experience and develop the ability to reason and common sense.

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

 

You and all the darkfall fanbots are missing the point.. It is obviously impossible to reason with any of you.. in 8 -10 years most darkfall fanbots will become legal adults and hopefully by that time get some real world experience and develop the ability to reason and common sense.

Fanbot?  LOL.  8-10 years to become a legal adult?  Im 21.  Your supposedly 34, yet YOUR reasoning quickly assumes im a "fanbot" and that darkfall players are just a bunch of kids.  I have never even played Darkfall and im an adult.  Is that enough evidence, which you clearly ignore, to say you are wrong? 

No Oddjob, your reasoning is off.  I post facts and the truth.  People have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall.  I have read and seen it way before the game was released.

Originally posted by Socman75

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

You said so yourself, you have no idea who Tasos is. Thats why its easy to believe him. If you look up anything on Tasos all you'll hear from him is complete and utter BS that comes out of his mouth...err...keyboard. And thats at least for the past 5-6 years he's been lying.

Also, AV's credibility is crap, its hard to believe their "server logs" when they can't even track enough of their hackers that shouldn't have been as big of a problem as it is to begin with.

Well this whole thing has definately confirmed for me I made the right decision not getting this game. Honestly if after 3 hours of playing a game you think it sucks your just gonna think it sucks a whole lot worse later. Myself if after 1 hour I couldn't stand it I would have it uninstalled and account cancelled. Maybe they should do like the real companies if they want a good review and go pay for one.....course good reviews dont make games good they just make money

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

 

You and all the darkfall fanbots are missing the point.. It is obviously impossible to reason with any of you.. in 8 -10 years most darkfall fanbots will become legal adults and hopefully by that time get some real world experience and develop the ability to reason and common sense.

Fanbot?  LOL.  8-10 years to become a legal adult?  Im 21.  Your supposedly 34, yet YOUR reasoning quickly assumes im a "fanbot" and that darkfall players are just a bunch of kids.  I have never even played Darkfall and im an adult.  Is that enough evidence, which you clearly ignore, to say you are wrong? 

No Oddjob, your reasoning is off.  I post facts and the truth.  People have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall.  I have read and seen it way before the game was released.

People do not like being lied to by an arrogant SOB that can't even develop the game he promises he'll deliver. And no, Darkfall as it stands now is NOT what they said it would be. You can say all you want that he released the game and that NO game is ever what its supposed to be at release, but thats wrong. Most games have all features that they have listed on their webpage when they release their game unless it is stated "in the future".

Originally posted by Socman75

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

Ok well the facts and history show Tasos is a liar This is undisputable. If someone does not like the game I play and tell me so, thats ok. I live in America, and we have that luxury here. Freedom of speech and opinion. I played City of Heros 15 minutes before I uninstalled the game, and Vangaurd for 5. I got my boss to play Warhammer with me he played 1 day and went back to WoW. We are still friends. He likes mac and cheese and I do not. He dosent fault me because I will not try 15 bowls of the vile substance to really see if I like it or not.

Your argument really holds no weight to it.

personally i love how Tasos thinks the review is causing irreparable damage  when evryone already knows all about the game whether they be the majority thinking its terrible or the minority thinking its great.

Originally posted by xero8p

Well this whole thing has definately confirmed for me I made the right decision not getting this game. Honestly if after 3 hours of playing a game you think it sucks your just gonna think it sucks a whole lot worse later. Myself if after 1 hour I couldn't stand it I would have it uninstalled and account cancelled. Maybe they should do like the real companies if they want a good review and go pay for one.....course good reviews dont make games good they just make money

Am I reading this correctly? "Maybe they should do like the real companies if they want a good review and go pay for one..."

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Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

 

You and all the darkfall fanbots are missing the point.. It is obviously impossible to reason with any of you.. in 8 -10 years most darkfall fanbots will become legal adults and hopefully by that time get some real world experience and develop the ability to reason and common sense.

Fanbot?  LOL.  8-10 years to become a legal adult?  Im 21.  Your supposedly 34, yet YOUR reasoning quickly assumes im a "fanbot" and that darkfall players are just a bunch of kids.  I have never even played Darkfall and im an adult.  Is that enough evidence, which you clearly ignore, to say you are wrong? 

No Oddjob, your reasoning is off.  I post facts and the truth.  People have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall.  I have read and seen it way before the game was released.

 

People do not like being lied to by an arrogant SOB that can't even develop the game he promises he'll deliver. And no, Darkfall as it stands now is NOT what they said it would be. You can say all you want that he released the game and that NO game is ever what its supposed to be at release, but thats wrong. Most games have all features that they have listed on their webpage when they release their game unless it is stated "in the future".

Ok so post a fact or truth regarding This..

Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by Socman75

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

 You said so yourself, you have no idea who Tasos is. Thats why its easy to believe him. If you look up anything on Tasos all you'll hear from him is complete and utter BS that comes out of his mouth...err...keyboard. And thats at least for the past 5-6 years he's been lying.

Also, AV's credibility is crap, its hard to believe their "server logs" when they can't even track enough of their hackers that shouldn't have been as big of a problem as it is to begin with.

Either he lied about the information from the logs, or he is telling the truth and spitting on any privacy players/press should have. I feel bad for any press who will have to review this game in the future knowing that unless they hit the magic number of in-game play time before DARING to give the game a bad review, everything they do and say in-game will be used against them.

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

Noone will dispute the fact that Darkfall had a VERY LONG development time. for MANY years on end this game did not get any updates or anything that would point to a release.

In the time that it took them to develope Darkfall, I can name 8 AAA MMO titles that developed and released in that time frame. All of which are still live today. I don't think you can really fault anyone for screaming "vaporware". In all honesty I kinda wish it had been vaporware. It would have been better to not exist as opposed to existing as it is now.

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game not only didn't launch on the day they said it would, it didn't launch really the next day either. It took them almost a full week to iron out all the issues they had with release, server stability, and billing. It truely was the worst launch of an MMO that I can remember in the last decade.

That is unless you can name me another MMO that said we will be opening servers and launching our game on this date here....... Then actually releasing it on this date right here.

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

Any company who doesn't wish to make money by not allowing all the players into their game that wish to play is pretty much the anti-business policy. This is the first company I have ever seen in the MMO gaming industry that has limited nah not allowed all the players wishing to play, to get their hands on a copy of their game.

EvE would be the only game that came close, but even EvE didn't say "nope server is full you can't play go away."

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

LOL What? Eurogamer didn't rebuke anything, they just said if Tasos wanted to cry about it, and AV felt so strongly about it, they would do another review but the initial review would still stand and stay posted. That isn't rebuking anything. That is sticking to your guns, opposite of rebuking. They also didn't catch the reviewer with any odd color hands. Have you seen the so-called "logs" that proves he only spent 2-3 hours in game? I haven't, pretty sure you haven't either, and would be willing to wager that AV doesn't have any "logs". They can't track down hackers but they can pin-point Zitron's playtime and chat logs..... right.....

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

That review needs  to be there, and it must stay. People have the right to know what they are possibly handing $50 to a company for. I would want to know. Just as I am sure thousands of others would like to know. Doesn't mean we aren't capable of making up our own minds on what we purchase, but information helps. Yes even the negative information.

This is what kills me lol, responses in yellow.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

 

You and all the darkfall fanbots are missing the point.. It is obviously impossible to reason with any of you.. in 8 -10 years most darkfall fanbots will become legal adults and hopefully by that time get some real world experience and develop the ability to reason and common sense.

Fanbot?  LOL.  8-10 years to become a legal adult?  Im 21.  Your supposedly 34, yet YOUR reasoning quickly assumes im a "fanbot" and that darkfall players are just a bunch of kids.  I have never even played Darkfall and im an adult.  Is that enough evidence, which you clearly ignore, to say you are wrong? 

No Oddjob, your reasoning is off.  I post facts and the truth.  People have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall.  I have read and seen it way before the game was released.

 

People do not like being lied to by an arrogant SOB that can't even develop the game he promises he'll deliver. And no, Darkfall as it stands now is NOT what they said it would be. You can say all you want that he released the game and that NO game is ever what its supposed to be at release, but thats wrong. Most games have all features that they have listed on their webpage when they release their game unless it is stated "in the future".

 

Ok so post a fact or truth regarding This..

Go read the feature list on the main page...it speaks for itself.

It's right there, you just have to read.

Ya know... I remember reading in an interview once that he was used to this kind of bull, that you needed "thick skin" to do what he's doing.

Yet the second some site doesn't stroke his e-peen by giving it a blushing review, he throws whatever he can at us to make the reviewer in question seem ill-informed of the game. I figured being thick-skinned meaned not throwing a temper tantrum the moment someoen says what you have made sucks.

Besides, there's no way to tell if either side is telling the truth. We have to rely on the reviewer saying he played X amount of time. Though Tasos will have to actually release said logs to prove what he is saying, and even then such logs could easily be forged and manipulated.

Who stands to gain more from the other being wrong though? Tasos.

Originally posted by Szark

Darkfall's Tasos Flambouras has posted what is hopefully the final word on the now infamous 2/10 review of Darkfall on EuroGamer, rejecting EuroGamer's offer for a re-review and in the end saying "we’ll just take it on the chin and stick with the original review."

Dealing with this Eurogamer scandal has been extremely frustrating for us. To those of you that believe we’re unprofessional for calling Eurogamer out on this, we’ll have you know that there’s nothing professional about this entire affair. It’s obviously personal when someone will tear our game apart without actually playing it. It’s certainly personal for us to see our livelihood being torn to shreds by a fraud using a respected large game site to do it through. We tried to deal with this privately but Eurogamer wouldn’t hear it, so we had no recourse but to go public.

We would never accuse Eurogamer , Ed Zitron or anyone without solid evidence. We know for a fact that we’ve been wronged. Eurogamer is right to keep it up as they’re seeing some good traffic from this, but in the meanwhile we‘re taking irreparable damage and there’s simply nothing we can do about it. We are in an impossible situation, with many future possible repercussions to our game and we’re helpless to react. The Eurogamer smear piece is picked up by online media everywhere and this will stay with us long after this issue is forgotten. Gamerankings and Metacritic for example have already used this Eurogamer score of Darkfall, and unless this review comes down, a new review won’t be taken into consideration. Metacritic informed us earlier today that they sympathize but they can’t do anything unless the review comes down.

Read yesterday's comments here.

Read about how this started here.

Only irreparable damage I have seen thus far is the fact that your game is "Released" yet you still can't buy it.

Originally posted by streea

Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by Socman75

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

 You said so yourself, you have no idea who Tasos is. Thats why its easy to believe him. If you look up anything on Tasos all you'll hear from him is complete and utter BS that comes out of his mouth...err...keyboard. And thats at least for the past 5-6 years he's been lying.

Also, AV's credibility is crap, its hard to believe their "server logs" when they can't even track enough of their hackers that shouldn't have been as big of a problem as it is to begin with.

Either he lied about the information from the logs, or he is telling the truth and spitting on any privacy players/press should have. I feel bad for any press who will have to review this game in the future knowing that unless they hit the magic number of in-game play time before DARING to give the game a bad review, everything they do and say in-game will be used against them.

While I do believe this happens more than people would think (regarding people playing a game for 30 minutes then reviewing it) I have a hard time believing Tasos. That's what it boils down to, he may be right, but we won't ever know, because he's a liar.

The boy who cried wolf comes to my mind when I see Tasos crying about this ONE SINGLE review.

Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

 

You and all the darkfall fanbots are missing the point.. It is obviously impossible to reason with any of you.. in 8 -10 years most darkfall fanbots will become legal adults and hopefully by that time get some real world experience and develop the ability to reason and common sense.

Fanbot?  LOL.  8-10 years to become a legal adult?  Im 21.  Your supposedly 34, yet YOUR reasoning quickly assumes im a "fanbot" and that darkfall players are just a bunch of kids.  I have never even played Darkfall and im an adult.  Is that enough evidence, which you clearly ignore, to say you are wrong? 

No Oddjob, your reasoning is off.  I post facts and the truth.  People have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall.  I have read and seen it way before the game was released.

 

People do not like being lied to by an arrogant SOB that can't even develop the game he promises he'll deliver. And no, Darkfall as it stands now is NOT what they said it would be. You can say all you want that he released the game and that NO game is ever what its supposed to be at release, but thats wrong. Most games have all features that they have listed on their webpage when they release their game unless it is stated "in the future".

 

Ok so post a fact or truth regarding This..

 

Go read the feature list on the main page...it speaks for itself.

It's right there, you just have to read.

As I say, cant reason with you people..the feature list is not what this issue is about.
 

Originally posted by junzo316

I think if Tasos had just left the review alone, this may all have been swept under the rug.  Now, other gaming sites have picked up the review and are posting it because of Tasos childish antics.  More people are reading this review now because of Tasos.  I think he needs to let it die.   Furthermore, I think he might be just a tad afraid to get another review, even from another source.  This will be a big hit to this game, and Tasos doesn't seem to understand that he now need to shut up.  I believe the reviewer touched on valid points, but that's just my opinion.  Just like the 2/10 was his.

Yes.  It starts to lend credence to the theory that they are intentionally doing this to use it as the excuse for failure when they shut down very soon.

In any case, though, it's more of the same whining and unprofessional behavior from Tasos and Co. It's seems to be about the Tasos ego. I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that if EG replies to the latest Tasos rant, that this same ego will then need to chime in again with a final, final word. This fool has no business being the PR or spokesperson for any commercial endeavor. The longer he goes on about this the more he hurts Aventurine.  But maybe that's the point.  Really, though, unless you are intentionally doing this so you have a scapegoat for failure, just shut up, already.  You are only hurting yourself.
 

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Armisael191

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

 

You and all the darkfall fanbots are missing the point.. It is obviously impossible to reason with any of you.. in 8 -10 years most darkfall fanbots will become legal adults and hopefully by that time get some real world experience and develop the ability to reason and common sense.

Fanbot?  LOL.  8-10 years to become a legal adult?  Im 21.  Your supposedly 34, yet YOUR reasoning quickly assumes im a "fanbot" and that darkfall players are just a bunch of kids.  I have never even played Darkfall and im an adult.  Is that enough evidence, which you clearly ignore, to say you are wrong? 

No Oddjob, your reasoning is off.  I post facts and the truth.  People have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall.  I have read and seen it way before the game was released.

 

People do not like being lied to by an arrogant SOB that can't even develop the game he promises he'll deliver. And no, Darkfall as it stands now is NOT what they said it would be. You can say all you want that he released the game and that NO game is ever what its supposed to be at release, but thats wrong. Most games have all features that they have listed on their webpage when they release their game unless it is stated "in the future".

 

Ok so post a fact or truth regarding This..

 

Go read the feature list on the main page...it speaks for itself.

It's right there, you just have to read.

As I say, cant reason with you people..the feature list is not what this issue is about.
 

Why did you say "Ok so post a fact or truth regarding this.."

lol

You asked a question regarding my quote, I answered it, and you said "we're not talking about the feature list..."

dude, YOU are the ones we can't reason with. I proved you wrong so you say "we're not talking about that..." Well then, what EXACTLY were you talking about when you said "post a fact or truth regarding this" in response to my quote?

I just don't understand why fanboys continue to make themselves look so stupid.

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

Very good reply.

In my more than 10 years of being a board warrior, have I never seen so much bias, trolling and general hateful flaming against a game.

And that says ALOT. Because I used to play UO, and that could be a very rough crowd. I have blocked at least 30 people op 'till now, most of the people here are simply not worth reading.

Originally posted by boxfetish

Originally posted by junzo316

I think if Tasos had just left the review alone, this may all have been swept under the rug.  Now, other gaming sites have picked up the review and are posting it because of Tasos childish antics.  More people are reading this review now because of Tasos.  I think he needs to let it die.   Furthermore, I think he might be just a tad afraid to get another review, even from another source.  This will be a big hit to this game, and Tasos doesn't seem to understand that he now need to shut up.  I believe the reviewer touched on valid points, but that's just my opinion.  Just like the 2/10 was his.

 

Yes.  It starts to lend credence to the theory that they are intentionally doing this to use it as the excuse for failure when they shut down very soon.

In any case, though, it's more of the same whining and unprofessional behavior from Tasos and Co. It's seems to be about the Tasos ego. I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that if EG replies to the latest Tasos rant, that this same ego will then need to chime in again with a final, final word. This fool has no business being the PR or spokesperson for any commercial endeavor. The longer he goes on about this the more he hurts Aventurine.  But maybe that's the point.  Really, though, unless you are intentionally doing this so you have a scapegoat for failure, just shut up, already.  You are only hurting yourself.
 

While I do not believe DF is doing good, I don't think they'll shut down soon.

They have the right to decide when the games plug is pulled, and they'll wait till they aren't turning a profit anymore.

With only one server, it doesn't require a LOT of cash to turn a profit from an MMO.

Originally posted by Rasputin

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

 

Very good reply.

In my more than 10 years of being a board warrior, have I never seen so much bias, trolling and general hateful flaming against a game.

And that says ALOT. Because I used to play UO, and that could be a very rough crowd. I have blocked at least 30 people op 'till now, most of the people here are simply not worth reading.

He looks unprofessional for trying to defend his work because it was ONE review.

Even some of the best games get bad or mediocre reviews every now and then, but you don't see them crying and complaining about it.

If it was ALL reviews, and he brought out accurate server logs for ALL the reviewer accounts, then I'd agree with him.

Unfortunately, he just looks like a cry baby because it was a SINGLE review.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Socman75

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

 

Ok well the facts and history show Tasos is a liar This is undisputable. If someone does not like the game I play and tell me so, thats ok. I live in America, and we have that luxury here. Freedom of speech and opinion. I played City of Heros 15 minutes before I uninstalled the game, and Vangaurd for 5. I got my boss to play Warhammer with me he played 1 day and went back to WoW. We are still friends. He likes mac and cheese and I do not. He dosent fault me because I will not try 15 bowls of the vile substance to really see if I like it or not.

Your argument really holds no weight to it.

Ok...lol I wasn't going to respond anymore but obviously I haven't been clear.

I do not think Tasos is a good guy, bad guy, lying, telling the truth or whatever else.

I do not think Ed Zitron is a good guy, bad guy, lying, telling the truth or whatever else.

My position is that based on this single problem I would have done the same thing given what I have read from the review and the following responses.

No where did I say that the guy had to like the game or couldn't give his opinion but this isn't some water cooler conversation it is an article on a major gaming website that apperently alot of gamers go to and I would assume prides itself on being accurate.

And as a matter of fact I do own my own business...a paint company. And word of mouth is EVERYTHING. So if someone left me a review such as this and I felt I had the facts to prove otherwise. You bet your sweet biffy I would be defending my company's reputation, especially if it was a small community I would/could be finished.

So now its your turn to tell my that I have poor business sense, my company will fail and I probably don't do very well....

Originally posted by Armisael191

He looks unprofessional for trying to defend his work because it was ONE review.

Even some of the best games get bad or mediocre reviews every now and then, but you don't see them crying and complaining about it.

If it was ALL reviews, and he brought out accurate server logs for ALL the reviewer accounts, then I'd agree with him.

Unfortunately, he just looks like a cry baby because it was a SINGLE review.

I agree. I didn't agree with Xplay's hatred towards FF7: Crisis Core, or their loving review of Age of Conan. But I didn't freak out. Fanboys did for the former, and they got made fun of when Xplay "fixed" the review. Did SE come out and throw a tantrum? No. Did funcom? No.

There's bound to be one reviewer who won't say yay, just natural. Even WoW has haters.

Its how you treat the haters that matters.

Throwing temper tantrums? Nope not a good way. Look what happens.

If Tasos didn't say anything, or instead even said "thanks" for speaking of their game's negativities and that they plan on fixing it, would of looked a lot better.

Dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk.

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Socman75

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

 

Ok well the facts and history show Tasos is a liar This is undisputable. If someone does not like the game I play and tell me so, thats ok. I live in America, and we have that luxury here. Freedom of speech and opinion. I played City of Heros 15 minutes before I uninstalled the game, and Vangaurd for 5. I got my boss to play Warhammer with me he played 1 day and went back to WoW. We are still friends. He likes mac and cheese and I do not. He dosent fault me because I will not try 15 bowls of the vile substance to really see if I like it or not.

Your argument really holds no weight to it.

Ok...lol I wasn't going to respond anymore but obviously I haven't been clear.

I do not think Tasos is a good guy, bad guy, lying, telling the truth or whatever else.

I do not think Ed Zitron is a good guy, bad guy, lying, telling the truth or whatever else.

My position is that based on this single problem I would have done the same thing given what I have read from the review and the following responses.

No where did I say that the guy had to like the game or couldn't give his opinion but this isn't some water cooler conversation it is an article on a major gaming website that apperently alot of gamers go to and I would assume prides itself on being accurate.

And as a matter of fact I do own my own business...a paint company. And word of mouth is EVERYTHING. So if someone left me a review such as this and I felt I had the facts to prove otherwise. You bet your sweet biffy I would be defending my company's reputation, especially if it was a small community I would/could be finished.

So now its your turn to tell my that I have poor business sense, my company will fail and I probably don't do very well....

Look at it this way bro, Tasos claims that the majority of the reviews DF has received(all by players) have been good. Then EG gives them one bad review, and he has a COW.

So technically, this is only ONE bad review out of however many players themselves have added to the game.

Would you feel like you need to justify your business if 1 person gave it a bad review out of..lets say...15 or 20?

I mean honestly, that'd be kind of silly to pursue that person and call him out on it when you claim you have other people to back you up.

Think about it, Tasos doesn't believe in his subscribers enough.

Originally posted by Cursedsei

Originally posted by Armisael191

He looks unprofessional for trying to defend his work because it was ONE review.

Even some of the best games get bad or mediocre reviews every now and then, but you don't see them crying and complaining about it.

If it was ALL reviews, and he brought out accurate server logs for ALL the reviewer accounts, then I'd agree with him.

Unfortunately, he just looks like a cry baby because it was a SINGLE review.

 

I agree. I didn't agree with Xplay's hatred towards FF7: Crisis Core, or their loving review of Age of Conan. But I didn't freak out. Fanboys did for the former, and they got made fun of when Xplay "fixed" the review. Did SE come out and throw a tantrum? No. Did funcom? No.

There's bound to be one reviewer who won't say yay, just natural. Even WoW has haters.

Its how you treat the haters that matters.

Throwing temper tantrums? Nope not a good way. Look what happens.

If Tasos didn't say anything, or instead even said "thanks" for speaking of their game's negativities and that they plan on fixing it, would of looked a lot better.

 

Dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk.

Exactly. I do remember the whole controversy with gamespot and Savage 2.(I think it was 2) They gave it a really terrible review, and the company came out and said "well here's the log, they were only logged in for a short while". So they re-reviewed the game and gave it a better score.

Same thing with Neverwinter Nights 2 I believe. I can't exactly remember which website, might've been gamespot for all I know, but they gave it a really bad review because the guy didn't like the DnD ruleset they used. They ended up having someone else review it again and gave it a better score.

I understand this crap happens, and Tasos has every right to be upset...but he is upset with the wrong person. He should be upset with himself because of:  A. Getting so butt-hurt PUBLICLY over ONE review. or B. Making a bad game.

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Socman75

Right I didn't follow the game and up untill about 30 mins ago I had never heard the name Tasos...so I have no history with this guy or his company. That was my point to my post, in the microcosm that is this review and responses I agree with how Tasos has handled 'this' particular problem.

And about the debate over time played....I think its safe to say that if someone come up to you and said 'The game you like sucks because I played it for 3 hours and logged off it was terrible....your respose would probably be the same...'well you didn't even play the game.'  Tasos logs show 3 hours or less, given that I would probably say the same thing. The guy didn't even play it. So for people to split hairs or come to some kind of 'factual' conclusion that the reveiwer must have played for 9 hours because in one reponse Tasos says 3 hours and aonther he says he didn't even play it...is just ignorant....Tasos typed it so he knows what he wrote and has the gameplay logs he knows how long the guy played or didn't play. Now if you believe him or not thats a different story.

 

Ok well the facts and history show Tasos is a liar This is undisputable. If someone does not like the game I play and tell me so, thats ok. I live in America, and we have that luxury here. Freedom of speech and opinion. I played City of Heros 15 minutes before I uninstalled the game, and Vangaurd for 5. I got my boss to play Warhammer with me he played 1 day and went back to WoW. We are still friends. He likes mac and cheese and I do not. He dosent fault me because I will not try 15 bowls of the vile substance to really see if I like it or not.

Your argument really holds no weight to it.

Ok...lol I wasn't going to respond anymore but obviously I haven't been clear.

I do not think Tasos is a good guy, bad guy, lying, telling the truth or whatever else.

I do not think Ed Zitron is a good guy, bad guy, lying, telling the truth or whatever else.

My position is that based on this single problem I would have done the same thing given what I have read from the review and the following responses.

No where did I say that the guy had to like the game or couldn't give his opinion but this isn't some water cooler conversation it is an article on a major gaming website that apperently alot of gamers go to and I would assume prides itself on being accurate.

And as a matter of fact I do own my own business...a paint company. And word of mouth is EVERYTHING. So if someone left me a review such as this and I felt I had the facts to prove otherwise. You bet your sweet biffy I would be defending my company's reputation, especially if it was a small community I would/could be finished.

So now its your turn to tell my that I have poor business sense, my company will fail and I probably don't do very well....

I am from the construction industry, so I can relate to what you are saying. If you got a negative review in a amall community would you be posting flyers  on all the neighbors doors explaining the person who gave you the negative review was a fraud and carrying on publicly?  I think you would take a more professional aproach.
 

speaking hypotheticly here, if you left hollidays, and didnt caulk, or cant cut in, watered down your paint, used  the wrong naps ect, and got the bad review, how would you respond?

If you did a clean, neat and proffessional job, would you take pictures, and just simply invite other people to inspect the work and let it speak for itself?

I would hope you would not nerd rage all over the neighborhood.

Originally posted by Socman75

No where did I say that the guy had to like the game or couldn't give his opinion but this isn't some water cooler conversation it is an article on a major gaming website that apperently alot of gamers go to and I would assume prides itself on being accurate.

And as a matter of fact I do own my own business...a paint company. And word of mouth is EVERYTHING. So if someone left me a review such as this and I felt I had the facts to prove otherwise. You bet your sweet biffy I would be defending my company's reputation, especially if it was a small community I would/could be finished.

So now its your turn to tell my that I have poor business sense, my company will fail and I probably don't do very well....

There is nothing wrong with defending your business' reputation.   But how you go about doing that will either show customers you are a mature professional or someone who talks smack in interviews yet isn't able to take any in return.

You're right, reputation is everything to a business.    This has not helped AV reputation in the eyes of the community.  

But AV's community reputation hasn't been anything that seemed to concern them before, AV always acted as though they were the rogue indies who didn't care about that kind of thing.   Which makes Tasos reaction to this all the more hypocritical.  

Cursedsei said it well - Dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

I am from the construction industry, so I can relate to what you are saying. If you got a negative review in a amall community would you be posting flyers  on all the neighbors doors explaining the person who gave you the negative review was a fraud and carrying on publicly?  I think you would take a more professional aproach.
 

speaking hypotheticly here, if you left hollidays, and didnt caulk, or cant cut in, watered down your paint, used  the wrong naps ect, and got the bad review, how would you respond?

If you did a clean, neat and proffessional job, would you take pictures, and just simply invite other people to inspect the work and let it speak for itself?

I would hope you would not nerd rage all over the neighborhood.

Of course I wouldn't act in such a way...but given your example:  the 'reviewer' would have to actually spent time in the house I painted to say if I did a good job or not. ...Not just pull up to the srteet curb and say ' He does terrible interior work'.

However if I had paint spilled all over the yard and driveway and paint buckets/cans all over they wouldn't have to. :P lol

But I do understand what your are saying...and Tasos obviously had a bad reputation before all of this.

I will change what I originally said slightly....Given this circumstance I would have responded to this 'bad' review but maybe handled it a little differently.

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by oddjobs74

I am from the construction industry, so I can relate to what you are saying. If you got a negative review in a amall community would you be posting flyers  on all the neighbors doors explaining the person who gave you the negative review was a fraud and carrying on publicly?  I think you would take a more professional aproach.
 

speaking hypotheticly here, if you left hollidays, and didnt caulk, or cant cut in, watered down your paint, used  the wrong naps ect, and got the bad review, how would you respond?

If you did a clean, neat and proffessional job, would you take pictures, and just simply invite other people to inspect the work and let it speak for itself?

I would hope you would not nerd rage all over the neighborhood.

 

Of course I wouldn't act in such a way...but given your example:  the 'reviewer' would have to actually spent time in the house I painted to say if I did a good job or not. ...Not just pull up to the srteet curb and say ' He does terrible interior work'.

However if I had paint spilled all over the yard and driveway and paint buckets/cans all over they wouldn't have to. :P lol

But I do understand what your are saying...and Tasos obviously had a bad reputation before all of this.

I will change what I originally said slightly....Given this circumstance I would have responded to this 'bad' review but maybe handled it a little differently.

 

Fair enough

Originally posted by junzo316

I think if Tasos had just left the review alone, this may all have been swept under the rug.  Now, other gaming sites have picked up the review and are posting it because of Tasos childish antics. .....

Mind you if the DF critics just 'left it alone' it (DF) would probablly be swept under the rug. Jon justifies the coverage here as it gets hits. Having said that it's hard to pass by with all the BS being spouted by Mr. T and a lot of the fanbots. It's a niche game sure, but even with that caveat it needs work on a lot of systems and game elements. This is all well and good but the game is being marketed (on the website and by T) as something it is not. Funnily enough similar happened with AoC Gaulte Gonard spouting nonesence +++ reviews.....until it all started to unravel. At least Av don't have to worry about 'endgame' but this means that game systems and mechanics need to be that much tighter. currently they are not.

I wonder how many more people that never heard of Ed Zitron or his review, or Eurogamer.net for that matter, that didn't even have Darkfall on their radar, now have a negative opinion of not only Tasos, but of the game and company he is the mouthpiece for.

I have said that IMO 9 hours is not enough for a professional review of a MMO, and the review itself is on the same level as Howard Stern, but Tasos and some of the rabid DF fans made the same mistake that every group that protests something they don't like make...they are putting this review in the limelight.  No one cared about it, and it would have faded away into obscurity on its' own in a short time.  Now, Tasos and the fanbois look like epic QQers.  I have seen absolutely scathing reviews on games before, but never such an unhinged response to a review as this has generated.

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Socman75

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Responses like this just saddens me. No one is concerned with truth or an accurate account, just 'public opinion'. I guess perception is reality, not truth.

Im starting to feel this way too.  Its like people have a personal vendetta against Tasos and Darkfall. 

The game takes a long time to come out... "HOW DARE YOU MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG....VAPORWARE...VAPORWARE". 

The game doesn't launch on the first day but rather the next, and despite being stable... "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO US....WORST LAUNCH EVER". 

The game only allows enough players that it can support... "HOW DARE YOU NOT ALLOW ME TO PLAY....WORST COMPANY EVER"

The game receives a bad review and then rebukes it, catching the reviewer red handed "HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR WORK...UNPROFESSIONAL!!"

Like Stradden mentioned before, sites like metacritic and gamerankings post these reviews.  To simple ignore the review posted on such a popular review site as eurogamer is not a good idea.

Oh, for the love of Christ.

What we have is a case of two people who both have a reputation of being dishonest. All of us have no way of knowing what the truth is or how accurate any of the claims are. All we have to concern ourselves with IS the perception of this whole thing. Only a fanboy equates Tasos with the truth or accuracy and likewise many haters are using this as an excuse to hogpile on Tasos and Darkfall and finding no fault with the EG review.  

Honestly?  Learn to deconstruct what people write and say and you will understand why most of us are criticizing this whole affair for being incredibly unprofessional (and that's an understatement). Today's "final word" was just more of the same.
 

I can't believe this company is reacting to a review.  A think the review is true and it is based on professional opinion.  Darkfall has no right to argue this review.  What they SHOULD do like a real company is sit down and say "hey why did we get such a bad review?"  They need to look at all the items that were listed as bad in the game and try to correct them.  The review was not just the opinion of Eurogamer as a very large amount of users that have played the game agreed with this review.   Darkfall is overpriced failure on a game that most can not even subscribe to when they have their checkbooks wide open.  They need to deal with this and correct this or they will fail as a company.

Well good if it is "Darkfall: Aventurine's Final Word on EG Review " when will the annoying fanboys post their final word so all these stupid posts can disappear?

As if we didn't have enough of these threads, MMORPG.com\latetothescene has to post another one. Well hopefully this is an end to what has been a bad situation in itself. There was no reason for him to make this situation public and could of been handled in private matters. He instead brought more attention than needed to his game, and has done exactly what he said the review would of done. This review didn't hurt his game because his game isn't even publically available to the masses. If anything, that is what is hurting his game. I know someone will jump in here and quote me saying its a niche game, but that is nothing mroe than an excuse to them being under funded and lacking the capital to have a large scale launch. Trust me, if he is any kind of business man, he want's your cash. Either way, next time I hope he learns from this and keeps it private. And hopefully he can deal with more negative reviews. Because if he can't, he shouldn't be making games nor be in his position. Other than that, I would love to see a free trial. I would love another chance at checking the game out again.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by qbangy32

If other sites sympathised wtih Aventurine I'm sure they would not be using an outside source for scoring, they would have ignored the review totally.

You should probably take a look at the way the sites he mentioned function... The basic premise of metacritic, for example, is to pool together outseide review scores. It's... what they do.

Well perhaps Tasos should have let mmorpg.com and every other legitimate review site review the damn game when they had the chance. Maybe metacritic would have more scores to tabulate, eh?

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by qbangy32

If other sites sympathised wtih Aventurine I'm sure they would not be using an outside source for scoring, they would have ignored the review totally.

You should probably take a look at the way the sites he mentioned function... The basic premise of metacritic, for example, is to pool together outseide review scores. It's... what they do.

And I still state that if that site did sympathise with Aventurine about the review they would not have used those scores at all, now would they.

It's all well and good saying "hey look mate really sorry you got a bad review, but you know how it is, once it's in the system it's in the system" heard that crap before, it's called being two faced and not wanting to come off looking like the bad guy to anyone.

Anything can be changed, other than reversing time or death, those things are about the only things we can't yet reverse, everything else has a means to be rectified if ppl wanted to.

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

I wonder how many more people that never heard of Ed Zitron or his review, or Eurogamer.net for that matter, that didn't even have Darkfall on their radar, now have a negative opinion of not only Tasos, but of the game and company he is the mouthpiece for.

I have said that IMO 9 hours is not enough for a professional review of a MMO, and the review itself is on the same level as Howard Stern, but Tasos and some of the rabid DF fans made the same mistake that every group that protests something they don't like make...they are putting this review in the limelight.  No one cared about it, and it would have faded away into obscurity on its' own in a short time.  Now, Tasos and the fanbois look like epic QQers.  I have seen absolutely scathing reviews on games before, but never such an unhinged response to a review as this has generated.

Tasos is leading me to believe that if EG had given the game a 4 or a 5 he wouldn't have pitched a fit as much as he is. I do not believe him at all. He claims this is all about the 2/10, which no game has ever received on Eurogamer before(at least from what I read). I have to say that he's full of it if he thinks we believe he wouldn't cry and complain if his game received a 4 or a 5 and STILL said "well now people won't buy our game". Well, don't make a bad game, then you won't have to worry about bad reviews. Also, its ONE review....ONE.

Also, let me say this. I have never heard of Ed Zitron, and have never read a review from eurogamer, or have visited their website more than TWICE since this all thing started. Tasos brought this to my attention. I wouldn't have ever heard how about EG reviewed the game unless I came to these forums or if Tasos hadn't said anything about it. He's digging his own grave.

Originally posted by grimal

Tasos is really the one whom has blown this way out of proportion; he has single-handedly made what could have been a very small review into a major media scandal in the MMO world.  He is AV's worst enemy.

Smart thing to do at this point would be to fire Tasos, have AV make a public apology for his behavior and try to put this whole thing behind them.  But the longer they keep him on payroll as their mouthpiece, the worse it is going to be for them.

It's almost too late to recover from the damage Tasos has brought upon himself and the company.  Don't these people learn from other company's mistakes?  Apparently not.

Just goes to show, you really need to have some sort of business savvy or at least common sense to go into this market. 

Exactly,

Hardly anyone had even read the review. Hence I know that guy and read several of his reviews before. But even me didn't know he did a DFO review for Eurogamer. Hence I hardly browse even there.

It's because of the so called hardcore fanboi crybabies, together with "the Master of Disaster" Tasos as head QQ crybaby blowing this so out of proportion and so turned it in a huge media hype on the internet....

... that I caught this interview and got to know about it.

And so it was for many many people out there.

If the fanbois and Tasos had kept their mouth shut, swallowed the interview, ignored it... laughed about it for my part... and just moved on...

... hardly anyone would have known about it and hardly any damage would have been done.

Seriously, I said it from the beginning and I say it again:

It's Tasos himself and the religious fanbois that are burrying their own game!

Cheers

So who to belive becomes the Big question.

In 1 corner we have a reviewer from EG, who played a few hours, clearly didnt like it and put his review up.

On the other corner we have Tasos,  who has a long history of lying to the public about the product he represents.

I wonder if anyone saw it this way.

The reviewer is not going to spend time in these forums, much less in fourmfall to dig out all the info he would have needed to play the game.

He would have looked up for previews, info from av about the game and the main website to gather info. If he did that and saw everything that was promised by Tasos much more read the interviews done with Tasos , The reviewer would have expected a different beast of a game than that he played.

The Moment he fires the game up hes going to realize all the "revolutionary" claims of the game are non exisitant making the experience worse for him.  I bet the website, the interviews ect are the main factors that will contribue to the low score.

unlike mmorpg.com which has already realized darkfall brings alot of traffic to their servers, they are NOT going to ever review this game until that steam dies out.  They are going to stay in the middle of the field fireing up both sides to keep the flow going. Its OBIOUS the special attention darkfall is getting on these fourms so many other games and other things happening  yet this game gets huge attention.

There are many popcorn moments happening now which keeps me comming back.

I can understand the frustration from the reviewer and his veredict . The game just wasnt cut for him, he saw it clunky and uninspiring to keep him playing.  Like many said this game isnt for most of us. and this review proves it.

more reviews like this one will start surfacing.

Heck even one blog site. Keen or whatever once supported the game and after some time even they claim the game is a borefest .

Tasos reaction was clearly unprofesional. things could have been done differently. reading his reactions remind me of how my son reacts when he doesnt get it his way. Tantrum at its finest

www.youtube.com/watch

Originally posted by Infalible

I'm not a fan of Tasos. I think he is one of the worst Lead Developers I have ever seen of and one of the biggest liers on the planet. However, in this situation I can see where he is coming from and I entirely empathise with his position.

I had a go on Darkfall yesterday and played for about 4 hours. Even in that small amount of time, I can safely say that no credible journalist would give the game 2/10 as it really isn't that bad at all. I'd give it a 6 or a 7 because it does what it aims to do. It delivers the experience that Aventurine WANT it to deliver very well indeed and aside form some poor development here and there - most notably the UI and the inventory system  - the game is exactly what it wants to be. Why penalise a developer for delivering what they always intended to deliver?

The problem I have with the whole affair is that it is one dishonest developer against another dishonest journalist, which makes the task of decifering who is right and who is wrong very difficult. For those of you who don't know, Ed Zitron hasn't just been accused of this once or twice. He's been accused of it on four different occasions, each time with proof to back up the accusations being thrown around. I think we should be asking why Eurogamer would employ the "talents" of a journalist who has been proven to be a fraud before? What are they trying to accomplish? They site his impeccable track record but he doesn't have one. They say he has worked for PC Zone etc but he doesn't any more and - from what I understand - they did not part company under amicable terms. Why champion a journalist who seems to cause such distrust among his peers? 

Take the example Ed Zitron gives as a bad point: the fact that buying the game is a laborious task. I agree, it is a laborious task that is quite frustrating. Sadly however, Darkfall isn't (and never was intended to be) a mainstream MMO. They are going for a very small market segment. We talk about games like Eve being niche but Darkfall takes it to the extreme. Where as CCP were aiming MAINLY at a particular segment of the market, they did account for a fairly diverse population of gamers. Aventurine however have clearly got a very small and directed segment of gamers that they are aiming at with Darkfall, so much so that they have ONLY developed content for those players. Anyone outside of that segment can get stuffed because they aren't aiming the game at you. They have one group in mind and they really don't care about anyone else. With that in mind, they aren't interested in selling loads of copies of the game. They aren't interested in breaking records and giving everyone easy access. They only ever wanted a small user base to be interested. They want to police who can and who can't play their game. What is so wrong with that?

All in all, this whole issue is messed up. Eurogamer should have never ran the review and they certainly should employ the talens of Ed Zitron.

Exactly, why didnt they get someone who likes this type of game to try it, you get a guy who likes wor and war and aoc and of course hes going to trash a pvp full loot game that is skill base.
 

Im glad someone finaly wrote an honest review of how much of a waste of code DF is. Its a joke that AV would even try to deny their lame attempt at developing an mmo. The game had promise in its concept and could of gone well but AV dropped the ball on so many fronts its pathetic.

jeez how unprofessional can a company be .....

 i don't get it. EUROGAMER can write whatever they want but if DF can deliver something good people will simply play it and ignore any reviews. And bad publicity is better then no publiity so it's all up to DF to show is it worth it.

Let's take SWG for example, no matter how many good reviews it gets people will simply not play it since it sucks for 99% of players out there. 

Market will speak it's mind, and if I was DF marketing manager I would not sweat it over a simple review.

Originally posted by Spiider

 i don't get it. EUROGAMER can write whatever they want but if DF can deliver something good people will simply play it and ignore any reviews. And bad publicity is better then no publiity so it's all up to DF to show is it worth it.

Let's take SWG for example, no matter how many good reviews it gets people will simply not play it since it sucks for 99% of players out there. 

Market will speak it's mind, and if I was DF marketing manager I would not sweat it over a simple review.

well evidently you have commons sense...

Originally posted by Spiider

Market will speak it's mind, and if I was DF marketing manager I would not sweat it over a simple review.

Well, thanks to Tasos whining, its too late for that. For a game thats supposed to be "hardcore" they sure cry like a two year old when one review come out.

If this was a PVP event, EG just made DF their bitch.

Is this Ed Zitron...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edzitron/909808295/sizes/m/in/set-72157601027988132/
 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edzitron/778997699/in/set-72157600768851138/

If so...who cares what this Zit kid thinks!

Frankly im glad to finaly get a review that doesnt purposly mislead me into thinking that the game is worth my money.

And i dont see not zit's on that guys face

Originally posted by Spiider

 i don't get it. EUROGAMER can write whatever they want but if DF can deliver something good people will simply play it and ignore any reviews. And bad publicity is better then no publiity so it's all up to DF to show is it worth it.

Let's take SWG for example, no matter how many good reviews it gets people will simply not play it since it sucks for 99% of players out there. 

Market will speak it's mind, and if I was DF marketing manager I would not sweat it over a simple review.

What Market? Tasos dont even have one..He is a free loader working on his fans and praying that Other MMO sites will get on the act to give him a FREE review..Well it sure went his way with a 2/10.He should a grease the palm first to get a good review..

Originally posted by King-Kong

Is this Ed Zitron...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edzitron/909808295/sizes/m/in/set-72157601027988132/
 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edzitron/778997699/in/set-72157600768851138/

 

If so...who cares what this Zit kid thinks!

 

my wife found him kinda sexy ...

Just read the Eurogamer Review, clearly a WoW lover who got his panties in a twist that Darkfall is not WoW 3.0 (2.0 bing WAR).

I dont play Darkfall by the way and never tried it, but even i can see that that Eurogamer review is a piece of nonsense. That reviewer should be fired imediateley and banned from reviewing anything ever again.

Aventurine gives indie game developer/companies a bad name, period. An internet publication gave us a bad review... wahhhhhhhhhh.

The fact that they could not just let the review stand shows how insecure they are with their own product. I'm sure Aventurine would rather have people plop down 50 bucks (like I did) and find out the hard way how horrible the game is... at least they are making a dime that way.

Most of the points in the EG Review were how I and many others felt playing the game. I think the only major thing I disagree with is that I like player driven economies.

Games get bad reviews every day, learning how to take it in stride sets the difference between smart and stupid.
 

My issue with the review has always been that Ed Zitron wanted WoW 4.0 or LoTRO 2.0, as mentioned above, but got Darkfall instead.  Sure, Tasos may have been unprofessional in his approach towards remedying this situation, but anyone who has been neutral (not a fan or hater) could plainly see the problems with the review (I'm not talking the 2/10).

The guy didn't even play Darkfall's primary features.... let alone other things like boats, which interest me.  I only see him nitpick away at the inventory, combat system, etc.   Reading it thoroughly, you could tell that none of those matched what he 'wanted' in a combat system (I'm not talking about bug issues, etc).  Obviously, he wanted auto-attack and targeting and got twitch instead.  Furthermore, he wanted quick incremental doses of leveling (mini-rewards) instead of having to spend the time to get the rewards.

Anyone who thinks this review has any level of professionalism have either not read it, only seen the score or just skimmed through it, or their hatred and bias for Aventurine/Tasos/Darkfall blinds them to the lack of professionalism in the review. 

I'm sorry people, but this was a tragic attempt at journalism, and appears to be nothing more than a LoTRO/WoW fan hit job on Darkfall.

Originally posted by Cristina1

Just read the Eurogamer Review, clearly a WoW lover who got his panties in a twist that Darkfall is not WoW 3.0 (2.0 bing WAR).

I dont play Darkfall by the way and never tried it, but even i can see that that Eurogamer review is a piece of nonsense. That reviewer should be fired imediateley and banned from reviewing anything ever again.

This is nothing more than a poor excuse to defend the garbage that is Darkfall. "Anybody who doesn't like it was expecting WoW", No, anybody who didn't like it expected the game to be functional, but Darkfall is loaded with poor design decisions. Nowhere does the reviewer demand the game to be more like WoW, he makes it quite clear right at very start of the review that he is not expecting a WoW.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Cristina1

Just read the Eurogamer Review, clearly a WoW lover who got his panties in a twist that Darkfall is not WoW 3.0 (2.0 bing WAR).

I dont play Darkfall by the way and never tried it, but even i can see that that Eurogamer review is a piece of nonsense. That reviewer should be fired imediateley and banned from reviewing anything ever again.

 

This is nothing more than a poor excuse to defend the garbage that is Darkfall. "Anybody who doesn't like it was expecting WoW", No, anybody who didn't like it expected the game to be functional, but Darkfall is loaded with poor design decisions. Nowhere does the reviewer demand the game to be more like WoW, he makes it quite clear right at very start of the review that he is not expecting a WoW.

Everybody seen WoW  mentioned and started nerd raging, they failed to see him list multiple successful mmo's.

WoW, Lotro, SWG was even mentioned. He was not doing a full comparison of them either, he would take small bits that should be quite simply functional. IE. The looting.

The first review was a 2/10, assuming that the next review is a 6/10 and the reviewer says he doesn't like it but it is playable, etc. that shows that at the very least someone could possibly enjoy it.  What a stupid company, and so unprofessional.  Why wouldnt they accept?

Originally posted by Dethnoble

My issue with the review has always been that Ed Zitron wanted WoW 4.0 or LoTRO 2.0, as mentioned above, but got Darkfall instead.  Sure, Tasos may have been unprofessional in his approach towards remedying this situation, but anyone who has been neutral (not a fan or hater) could plainly see the problems with the review (I'm not talking the 2/10).

The guy didn't even play Darkfall's primary features.... let alone other things like boats, which interest me.  I only see him nitpick away at the inventory, combat system, etc.   Reading it thoroughly, you could tell that none of those matched what he 'wanted' in a combat system (I'm not talking about bug issues, etc).  Obviously, he wanted auto-attack and targeting and got twitch instead.  Furthermore, he wanted quick incremental doses of leveling (mini-rewards) instead of having to spend the time to get the rewards.

Anyone who thinks this review has any level of professionalism have either not read it, only seen the score or just skimmed through it, or their hatred and bias for Aventurine/Tasos/Darkfall blinds them to the lack of professionalism in the review. 

I'm sorry people, but this was a tragic attempt at journalism, and appears to be nothing more than a LoTRO/WoW fan hit job on Darkfall.

Excuse me, the only sad thing about the review was that he did not cover half the problems.  The lauded mob AI that is a compete joke, the awful crafting system, mostly empty landscape.  I could go on and on.   If you can't see all the major design flaws that make up this game then I really feel sorry for you.

Originally posted by Dethnoble

My issue with the review has always been that Ed Zitron wanted WoW 4.0 or LoTRO 2.0, as mentioned above, but got Darkfall instead.  Sure, Tasos may have been unprofessional in his approach towards remedying this situation, but anyone who has been neutral (not a fan or hater) could plainly see the problems with the review (I'm not talking the 2/10).

The guy didn't even play Darkfall's primary features.... let alone other things like boats, which interest me.  I only see him nitpick away at the inventory, combat system, etc.   Reading it thoroughly, you could tell that none of those matched what he 'wanted' in a combat system (I'm not talking about bug issues, etc).  Obviously, he wanted auto-attack and targeting and got twitch instead.  Furthermore, he wanted quick incremental doses of leveling (mini-rewards) instead of having to spend the time to get the rewards.

Anyone who thinks this review has any level of professionalism have either not read it, only seen the score or just skimmed through it, or their hatred and bias for Aventurine/Tasos/Darkfall blinds them to the lack of professionalism in the review. 

I'm sorry people, but this was a tragic attempt at journalism, and appears to be nothing more than a LoTRO/WoW fan hit job on Darkfall.

Who the hell cares about boats etc if the combat and inventory is shit?? I for one couldn t stand the game as I beta tested it and to this day find the game an utter crapfest. Sorry but I can tell you I ve played the game as much as most people that are currently active subscribers and if you want i ll make a review. Not sure you would like what I have to say but I can tell you I ve played it plenty to get a good idea.

Tasos gains level 100 in back peddaling.

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by King-Kong

Is this Ed Zitron...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edzitron/909808295/sizes/m/in/set-72157601027988132/
 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edzitron/778997699/in/set-72157600768851138/

 

If so...who cares what this Zit kid thinks!

 

my wife found him kinda sexy ...

Gross! Please don't post any photos of her...

2009 dfo released with less content then shadowbane which released years ago. Now the problem is there was a starvation diet taking place among the pvp mmo gamers and when a sourse of food was thought to exist word of mouth spread like wildfire then morphed into dfo being perfect, no problems.

In the beta and game forums people were baned for asking and posting about the flaws that were not being addressed. The fanbois grew more bold whiped into a frenzy...and that is where we are now.

Tasos and dfo promised a haven for the pvp niche crowd.  I was in beta, others were in beta and we said the game did not have the features listed not even half of the features listed and what was in game was unfunctional....unfun...broken...every weapon a mirror of another weapons powers, every spell tree a mirror of another spell tree...crafting boring...pve the worst yet in a mmo.

A 2/10 is generous imho.  A game should never launch without actual thought out combat,pvp,pve, and crafting. 

I don't know if this has been mentioned but, Darkfall isn't even listed on Metacritic.

Originally posted by Spiider

 i don't get it. EUROGAMER can write whatever they want but if DF can deliver something good people will simply play it and ignore any reviews. And bad publicity is better then no publiity so it's all up to DF to show is it worth it.

Let's take SWG for example, no matter how many good reviews it gets people will simply not play it since it sucks for 99% of players out there. 

Market will speak it's mind, and if I was DF marketing manager I would not sweat it over a simple review.

Well, the problem is not really one review but the fact that Tasos are reacting in a way no tother game dev ever have...

DF might be brilliant or not but Tasos is sinking it anyways. Not even Smedley would handle things this badly, if he would have been more graceful we might not even have heard about it at all.

All games get bad reviews, even hit games like Diablo and Half life but as long as the game is good and it gets some good too it will still be a hit. But game devs that acts this way is far from good for DF, he should have pointed out the things the reviewer missed and just said he didnt agree with him, not something like this.

The whole thing is silly and every time Tasos opens his mouth about it he makes things worse.

He should either quit or at least hire in someone to handle the PR, heck even the Bagdad Bob aproach would be better ("Bad review? No, everybody loves our game"). Crying never made anything better. Ever.

Why does Tasos not just open the game up to other MMo reviewers, i mean let them in it the game is so great and get them to try it?? could it be the fact the game stinks , has crap graphics and is just 2 guys and 1 stick. leet pvp there.

Originally posted by falc0n

Tasos has every right to be upset, at least he is trying to put this all behind him so he can focus on making the game better.  I played the game for 1 month and had a great time, I plan on resubbing after my finals.  EG needs to take that review down cause the guy sounded more like a crybaby to me.

"For example, inventory management is done through dragging items from the corpses of enemies. I mean this literally - you open your bag, and physically drag the items from one pouch to the other. There are no inventory 'blocks,' and thus your inventory quickly becomes a horrid mess of vague icons left on top of each other. This gets particularly thrilling when you descend into the wonderful world of harvesting, or try to loot something from a corpse in a particularly dangerous area, and find yourself massacred while farting about with a tree for four minutes. Worse still, the entire economy is player-driven - meaning that anybody wanting to get involved in crafting has literally hours of harvesting wood, or rock, or any of the other generic resources."

have you ever heard of bags? its called orginization dipsh**

I really thought it was funny how you spent your last 14 minutes asking noob questions like how do I cast a spell...help OMG

"Using spells or arrows is somewhat less exhausting, but usually ends messily when an enemy decides to run at you, leaving you with the choice of changing weapon (a ten-second operation - five if you're particularly nimble) or running backwards in the vain hope of not dying."
 

ok 10 SECOND OPERATION? it only took me 2 seconds at most, what game would you play that takes less then 2 seconds? WTF.

I just read about this whole thing today and thought it was funny so theres my 2 cents take it or leave it.

Do you have any factual proof apart from Tasos's wild claims?
 

Tasos has no credit standing.  Whatever he said, I tend to believe in the opposite.  Stop trying to smear EG, when you know nothing as a fact.

Do you know the character Ed Zit was using?  Have you talked to him, see him shout on the channels?  You surely do not.  So your 2 cents is just repeating some wild claims from Tasos, which none of us believe.  You do not have a 2 cents at all.

Originally posted by Infalible

I'm not a fan of Tasos. I think he is one of the worst Lead Developers I have ever seen of and one of the biggest liers on the planet. However, in this situation I can see where he is coming from and I entirely empathise with his position.

I had a go on Darkfall yesterday and played for about 4 hours. Even in that small amount of time, I can safely say that no credible journalist would give the game 2/10 as it really isn't that bad at all. I'd give it a 6 or a 7 because it does what it aims to do. It delivers the experience that Aventurine WANT it to deliver very well indeed and aside form some poor development here and there - most notably the UI and the inventory system  - the game is exactly what it wants to be. Why penalise a developer for delivering what they always intended to deliver?

The problem I have with the whole affair is that it is one dishonest developer against another dishonest journalist, which makes the task of decifering who is right and who is wrong very difficult. For those of you who don't know, Ed Zitron hasn't just been accused of this once or twice. He's been accused of it on four different occasions, each time with proof to back up the accusations being thrown around. I think we should be asking why Eurogamer would employ the "talents" of a journalist who has been proven to be a fraud before? What are they trying to accomplish? They site his impeccable track record but he doesn't have one. They say he has worked for PC Zone etc but he doesn't any more and - from what I understand - they did not part company under amicable terms. Why champion a journalist who seems to cause such distrust among his peers? 

Take the example Ed Zitron gives as a bad point: the fact that buying the game is a laborious task. I agree, it is a laborious task that is quite frustrating. Sadly however, Darkfall isn't (and never was intended to be) a mainstream MMO. They are going for a very small market segment. We talk about games like Eve being niche but Darkfall takes it to the extreme. Where as CCP were aiming MAINLY at a particular segment of the market, they did account for a fairly diverse population of gamers. Aventurine however have clearly got a very small and directed segment of gamers that they are aiming at with Darkfall, so much so that they have ONLY developed content for those players. Anyone outside of that segment can get stuffed because they aren't aiming the game at you. They have one group in mind and they really don't care about anyone else. With that in mind, they aren't interested in selling loads of copies of the game. They aren't interested in breaking records and giving everyone easy access. They only ever wanted a small user base to be interested. They want to police who can and who can't play their game. What is so wrong with that?

All in all, this whole issue is messed up. Eurogamer should have never ran the review and they certainly should employ the talens of Ed Zitron.

I begin to wonder
 

If you feel after a few hours that the game is good, that is your view.  Is it possible that the reviewer feels it in a different way and gave 2/10?  At least Ed Zit give details, details where you can read and dispute or judge either way.  That is enough, and better than your presentation, because apart from telling us you played for 4 hours, you said nothing else.  How can you safely say that no one can dislike DF?  Just because you like it during the first 4 hours?  That is a reason?  Oh god.  What logic.

As for the credibility of Ed Zit, he has been criticised 4 times in his career?  Oh big deal, ex-president G Bush has been accused of lying about the mass destruction weapon, about bin laden ... for 8 years.  Now Ed Zit is a saint.  Come on, before you come and educate me about trust Ed Zit or not, come with some solid information of your own.  We read Tasos's babycry, we also read about how ppl said that Ed Zit was correct in the past.  The games he dismissed are really bad games, game live Roma Victor has already vanished from the horizon.  If you look at the past trends, you should never play DF.  Games Ed Zit criticised have all turned out failures, and so DF should most like be another major flop.

Ed Zit gave 9/10 to LOTRo, and LOTRo is running smoothly on 300k sub.  That is another indication Ed Zit sees from the average, he does not see from a narrow angle.  That makes a good reviewer, review for the mass.  If you already know DF is not for the mass, expect 2/10 or 0/10 from the mass, since you said DF deliberately not cater to them.  So you cook some food you know its going to serve dogs, and you are angry because ppl look at the food and leave it?  AV and the DF community treat others like dogs, or worse, carebear idiot whatever you call people, and yet expect people to respect them?  Come on, I say AV and DF got what they deserve, a reciprocal of how they handle the gamers, and the kind of game they produce -- not cater to the general games, LOL.

So you said AV does not care about the rest of the gamers, they only plan to sell to a few dedicated.  Good!  But then why jump up and down when the rest give DF a 2/10.  Tasos should not care, Tasos should feel happy b/c that the rest do not like the game.  You do not develop for them, you develop a game for dogs, and people naturally will be turned away.  Why is Tasos having issues with 2/10?  What the fuss?  There is nothing wrong in Tasos cooking food for the dogs, but Tasos should shut up when people refuse to eat dog food.  This so called last response from Tasos, and all the earlier responses from Tasos is simply idiotic.

As for EG should not run the review, I say the opposite, I say so.  Thank you EG for once again showing us what Tasos and his game is all about, and this time, on stage so everyone can have another round of laugh.

Originally posted by Carl132p

personally i love how Tasos thinks the review is causing irreparable damage  when evryone already knows all about the game whether they be the majority thinking its terrible or the minority thinking its great.

That shows where Tasos bury his head, in the sand, or the so called sand-box he is trying to sell to us, for a full $50.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

...

As I say, cant reason with you people..the feature list is not what this issue is about.
 

So you restrict ppl to quoting only those information to your favour?  The feature list IS the primary source of contention.  That DF is released as a falsely advertised product, and is still running a false ad on its web.

If Tasos has so much time on hand arguing with EG, why not spend a few minutes updating the feature list?

Or you mean Tasos is so incompetent that he cannot update it?

Or you think Tasos sees the feature list on the official web as not important, weeks after the so call final game is available to some for purchase?  Oh well I will not deal with such a producer.  What is important to this producer?  Not us, not information we read about, what is important to him is cat fight and babycry over a review.

Either way, good bye to Tasos and whatever he is trying to sell to me.

Originally posted by Izure

...

Exactly, why didnt they get someone who likes this type of game to try it, you get a guy who likes wor and war and aoc and of course hes going to trash a pvp full loot game that is skill base.
 

Oh great, DF is so unpopular and such a failure, that it requires a fanboy to do the review.

Why don't you ask the AI bot to do the review.  Tasos tells us that his AI testers are so good, they can debug the game for him.

Bottom line, DF is such a trash game, you need to be a convert in order to give a good review.  In other words, if you are not brain washed, stay out.

Relax Izure, have some faith in your precious game, there is at least one "commentary" in MMORPG, from a self confessed carebear, who said DF is not that horrible.  You do not need to stop playing DF, because of 2/10 from a review by EG.  Fact is, if you really have faith in your game, do you need to come here and cry every other minute because of 1 review?  Don't you have other better things to do in DF?  Oh dear, its already boring now beating each other silly for a few weeks?

Originally posted by Cristina1

Just read the Eurogamer Review, clearly a WoW lover who got his panties in a twist that Darkfall is not WoW 3.0 (2.0 bing WAR).

I dont play Darkfall by the way and never tried it, but even i can see that that Eurogamer review is a piece of nonsense. That reviewer should be fired imediateley and banned from reviewing anything ever again.

Sorry and no.  EG stood by the review, and refuse to take it down.  That is the right way for a magazine.  No the revierwer is not fired, nor banned.  He is gaining immense popularity and credit, being the first reviewer to opening telling us the emperor's new coat.

Since you do not play DF, how the hell do you know the reviewer is wrong.  Why do you think he is clearly a WoW lover?  Why a thinly disguised fanboy defence.  Not everyone who dislikes DF plays WoW.  WoW only has 12million subs, there are more than 12 million gamers on earth, and not everyone else like DF.  Fact is, you have a harder and harder time finding DF lovers.

So stop worrying about WoW, dear fanboy, WoW is not going to worry about DF, nor will WoW players come to DF.  If you like DF stay there, if you do not play DF, stop pulling WoW into the picture.  In other words, start talking without mentioning WoW everytime you type.  It betrays your fanboy identity.

(didnt read all, just the 1st page) but as i already said, that review was probably too much to the point and not very far off teh marking. With EG offering to have a new review and reviewer(s) on it and Tasos turning them down, just proves that they didnt want it confirming (or any more problems being discovered).

Its plain and simple fact that the game sucks, way too many reviews have given it a thumbs down, word of mouth from actual players have given it a thumbs down and this (fly all out of proportions) argument between EG and Tasos has just confirmed that things are not goign very well with DFO. Now they are saying none of them actually logged in to make the review LOL I would say they did log in, they did play the game, and they did junk it and say what they played, felt, and saw.

Its the emperor's new coat, and someone dare talk about the truth.

QQ More please.

Lineage 2 a game that i love recived  bad reviews from many sites but i still played it and loved it. and mmorpg player rarely look at reviews imo, mmorpg is different than reguler games its more personal so the only way to see if you like a game is to test it out yourseelf no review should effect this.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

QQ More please.

Lineage 2 a game that i love recived  bad reviews from many sites but i still played it and loved it. and mmorpg player rarely look at reviews imo, mmorpg is different than reguler games its more personal so the only way to see if you like a game is to test it out yourseelf no review should effect this.

Spot on Sgt.

The more they babycry, the more I wonder, what the hell are the fanboys doing here?  They should be enjoying the game during its honeymoon period.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by SgtFrog

QQ More please.

Lineage 2 a game that i love recived  bad reviews from many sites but i still played it and loved it. and mmorpg player rarely look at reviews imo, mmorpg is different than reguler games its more personal so the only way to see if you like a game is to test it out yourseelf no review should effect this.

 

Spot on Sgt.

The more they babycry, the more I wonder, what the hell are the fanboys doing here?  They should be enjoying the game during its honeymoon period.

mm yep, if id listend to all the troll post about Aion id have been missing out on this jewl...3 years and worth the wait

End result: Everyone loses and there's nothing you can do about it.

Night.

A couple of months ago I read a review of Darkfall on this website by Paragus Rants, a player in the game.  The review seemed to me to be very Objective.  More importantly to me, it included enough information for a fan of Asheron's Call, Shadowbane and EVE Online to buy the game and try it out. 

While waiting to buy the game I noticed that the forums for Darkfall itself were full of posts by Whiners and Haters, as I call them, most of which I ignored, since I am capable of reaching my own conclusions about whether I want to play a particular game.

I have played almost every day since I was able to purchase the game and I really enjoy it.  BUT IT ISN'T FOR EVERYONE.  The developers have a unique vision for what their game should be.  In many ways Darkfall is like a lot of games you may have already played, and in many other ways it differs.  If you play the game you will discover that if you liked playing Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, EVE Online and any other similar MMORPG on a PvP server, then you are likely to enjoy Darkfall. 

If you are a potential buyer who makes decisions based on reviews, then I recommend reading the excellent reviews by Paragus Rants.  I haven't bothered to look at the Eurogamer review, since I am already in game.  I recommend the game personally, but you may not like the very individual choices made by the developers.  They have a very firm idea of what they want their game to be.  So far I like their choices.

The only real problem in the game is the same problem a player faces in any game - new players on the server will have a bit of a challenge coping with players who were on since the first month.  But this is true in all of these games.  If and when there is a new server, whether Eropean or American, there will be a slightly better opportunity to play on a level field, but late comers to PvP games will always be behind the curve to veteran players, regardless of the game.  So, no problem.  Just get in a guild and get good at what you like to do best.

And remember, it may be PvP but it is still a game.  Enjoy yourself and have a good time.  And when you stop having fun, find a different way to spend your time.  If you keep doing something you don't enjoy, and become a Whiner and a Hater, you have also become a Fool, if you weren't one already.  See Dick play, see Dick lose interest.  See Dick keep playing and start whining.  Don't be a Dick. 

When I first saw the video I thought to myself

"OMG Thats looks shocking"

After reading that review my only thought is

"I think 2/10 is a bit generous"

Ok, so ive not played the game.  But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!

Waiting to die for upto a minute?

No feedback on hits and misses?

No story line or lore?

No TUTORIAL ?

Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal,  Darkfall is fail.

Originally posted by sadeyx

Ok, so ive not played the game.  But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!

Waiting to die for upto a minute?

No feedback on hits and misses?

No story line or lore?

No TUTORIAL ?

Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal,  Darkfall is fail.

So you think it is "Fail" to give your party up to a minute to find an opportunity to revive you?  I guess you are too fail to find out that you can terminate the clock yourself after a few seconds if you aren't in a party situation where someone is available to revive you.

You haven't played, which makes your comments fail by default, but who says their is no tutorial?  Like many games your beginner quests are the tutorial.

What do you even mean by feedback on hits and misses?  You hit, you see blood, you see the health meter go down, and the dialog box tells you EXACTLY how much health and stamina your target lost due to your hit.  What other feedback do you require?

Storyline and Lore?  I guess you haven't been to the website in addition to not having played.

Why did you even bother to post to this thread?

As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T.  Go back to WoW, carebear.

I think the people flaming away at Tasos have missed the point.  One crappy review from a no-body, which he could legitimately rip apart using facts, and he has a huge amount of free publicity.  He really does get to be the deeply wronged independent developer.  He couldn't have had a better "win" for his game if he had taken Eurogamer to court and won a libel suit, which would have taken years.

And on the win point, my 2euros is that they would win, too.  A harsh review is quite possibly justified, there are a lot of lingering issues with Darkfall.  But not actually playing the game then panning it is just not cricket.

As Darkfall was never meant to be yet another vanilla candyland WoW immitation, most of the current generation of gamers would not immediately see the heritage of and opportunity in this game.  They would say "I don't get it", and lament the absence of huge yellow question marks over the quest givers, being too used to walk-through MMOs rather than sand-box games. 

Originally posted by trogwolf

Originally posted by sadeyx

Ok, so ive not played the game.  But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!

Waiting to die for upto a minute?

No feedback on hits and misses?

No story line or lore?

No TUTORIAL ?

Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal,  Darkfall is fail.

 

So you think it is "Fail" to give your party up to a minute to find an opportunity to revive you?  I guess you are too fail to find out that you can terminate the clock yourself after a few seconds if you aren't in a party situation where someone is available to revive you.

You haven't played, which makes your comments fail by default, but who says their is no tutorial?  Like many games your beginner quests are the tutorial.

What do you even mean by feedback on hits and misses?  You hit, you see blood, you see the health meter go down, what other feedback do you require?

Storyline and Lore?  I guess you haven't been to the website in addition to not having played.

Why did you even bother to post to this thread?

As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T.  Go back to WoW, carebear.

First off, soon as you use "hater" in your posts you automatically label yourself as one of those posters who can't stand anyone who criticizes their games.  Pretty hard to have a discussion about a game when you want to label any critics as "haters".

As to the website it is the biggest joke in the genre.  It has not been updated in years it seems.  Most of the information on the stie is incorrect. Anyone reading it is going to get a very wrong view of the game to start with.

Then you had to throw out the "carebear" label.  All I have to say is, learn to discuss a game without calling those that disagree names.  It just makes you look like a silly fanboy running around with blinders on. 

Glad you are enjoying Darkfall, that is the point of playing a game. 

Originally posted by sadeyx

Ok, so ive not played the game.  But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!

He makes factual errors in his description of the UI, like stating that it takes 10 seconds to equip a weapon.

Waiting to die for upto a minute?

The player may "tap out"  by hitting the space bar.

No feedback on hits and misses?

Both visual and auditory feedback are provided for a successful hit.

No story line or lore?

There is, but one would actually need to follow the various quest chains to experience it. In addition, there is some lore on the website. In my opinion, this is an area that can be built upon over time as CCP has done with EVE.

No TUTORIAL ?

The beginner quests are the tutorial. These quests lead the player through the various mechanics of the game. These include basic combat, magic use and some of the various types of gathering.

Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal,  Darkfall is fail.

The reviewer is entitled to his opinion. The issue with the review is that many of the arguments the reviewer makes against the game are based simply on false premises. 

Originally posted by trogwolf

A couple of months ago I read a review of Darkfall on this website by Paragus Rants, a player in the game.  The review seemed to me to be very Objective.  More importantly to me, it included enough information for a fan of Asheron's Call, Shadowbane and EVE Online to buy the game and try it out. 

While waiting to buy the game I noticed that the forums for Darkfall itself were full of posts by Whiners and Haters, as I call them, most of which I ignored, since I am capable of reaching my own conclusions about whether I want to play a particular game.

I have played almost every day since I was able to purchase the game and I really enjoy it.  BUT IT ISN'T FOR EVERYONE.  The developers have a unique vision for what their game should be.  In many ways Darkfall is like a lot of games you may have already played, and in many other ways it differs.  If you play the game you will discover that if you liked playing Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, EVE Online and any other similar MMORPG on a PvP server, then you are likely to enjoy Darkfall. 

If you are a potential buyer who makes decisions based on reviews, then I recommend reading the excellent reviews by Paragus Rants.  I haven't bothered to look at the Eurogamer review, since I am already in game.  I recommend the game personally, but you may not like the very individual choices made by the developers.  They have a very firm idea of what they want their game to be.  So far I like their choices.

The only real problem in the game is the same problem a player faces in any game - new players on the server will have a bit of a challenge coping with players who were on since the first month.  But this is true in all of these games.  If and when there is a new server, whether Eropean or American, there will be a slightly better opportunity to play on a level field, but late comers to PvP games will always be behind the curve to veteran players, regardless of the game.  So, no problem.  Just get in a guild and get good at what you like to do best.

And remember, it may be PvP but it is still a game.  Enjoy yourself and have a good time.  And when you stop having fun, find a different way to spend your time.  If you keep doing something you don't enjoy, and become a Whiner and a Hater, you have also become a Fool, if you weren't one already.  See Dick play, see Dick lose interest.  See Dick keep playing and start whining.  Don't be a Dick. 

Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?

I have an apple to sell.  Its rotten, its breeding worms, but its the best.

Only the best and few exclusive can muster the guts to eat it, only the wise will know that this is the apple from the Eden Garden.  Worry not you will be sick after a bite, worry not the apple is actually not the Eden apple, just believe and you will have salvation.

Oh come on, you told us its not for the majority, that does not mean its good, it could easily be that DF is so bad any sane person will shun it.

Evaluation of a game is by its features, not by availability.  After all its a digital product, the only availability is the choking supply artificially created by stupid AV.  Nothing special about it.  Feature wise DF sucks, this is about the consensus of just about everyone except a handful few.  The few are special, wise or stupid.

Are the few handful few wise?  From the way they talk, the exact oppposite.  This about sums up my case.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by trogwolf

Originally posted by sadeyx

Ok, so ive not played the game.  But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!

Waiting to die for upto a minute?

No feedback on hits and misses?

No story line or lore?

No TUTORIAL ?

Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal,  Darkfall is fail.

As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T.  Go back to WoW, carebear.

 First off, soon as you use "hater" in your posts you automatically label yourself as one of those posters who can't stand anyone who criticizes their games.  Pretty hard to have a discussion about a game when you want to label any critics as "haters".

Then you had to throw out the "carebear" label.  All I have to say is, learn to discuss a game without calling those that disagree names.  It just makes you look like a silly fanboy running around with blinders on. 

 

You use the phrase "discuss(ion about) a game" twice in defending Criticism of a game by someone who admittedly has NEVER played.  Someone who hasn't played a game has no right to express an opinion about it, since (s)he has no first-hand knowledge.  You can claim that everyone has a right to their opinion, but in fact, that so called "right" is a privilege earned by those with factual knowledge.  I make this claim because the one expressing the opinion does so in a forum with the expectation of being taken seriously.  No one can take such an opinion seriously when everything they have to say that matters, ie related to gameplay, is based on someone else's opinion.  I could respect their opinion if it was their own, instead of someone else's that they have regurgitated. 

I use the terms whiners and haters according to my own definition, which loosely is anyone who makes a decision to do one thing and then, when they decide they should have made a decision to do something else, they blame someone else for their bad decision.  Everyone goes out (or in) and throws their money and time away on a variety of diversioons.  Sometimes they do it blindly, taking a chance on satisfaction.  Sometimes they do it based on recommendations and other information.  Not everyone is going to be satisfied with what they spend their money on every time.  Get over it.  Make a better decision next time.  Better yet, stop throwing away your time and money on diversions and get a real life, instead.  No one who IS satisfied with the choice they made wants to listen to a bunch of whiners pissing and moaning about their dissatisfaction, or filling up forums with hateful remarks about the people responsible for the game (or whatever) that failed to satisfy.  You tried it and didn't like it?  Hey, better luck next time.  Please go one about your business.  

I don't much like the term carebear, or the phrase go back to WoW.  I don't even know what most people mean by carebear when they use the term, except what I can infer from context, and there's nothing wrong with WoW, it appeals to the masses.  But there seems to be a mindset which, when encountered, eveokes this reaction: the desire to banish the offending party - that would be Sadeyx, in this case - back to the masses from which he seems to have ventured.  The phrase that embodies that reaction is, "Go back to WoW, carebear".  Whatever carebear means, it seems to fit the context.  Your criticism would be just if the person who had earned the label carebear (within the phrase as used) had ever played the game.  Since he is not qualified to discuss the game due to lack of first hand experience, he is doubly disqualified to criticise it.  You don't have to be a fanboy with blinders on to see the injustice in coming onto a forum and puting down a game you never played. 

"Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?

Orthedos, what are you even talking about?  Do you imagine that I work for Aventurine?  You've got to be kidding me.  Saying something is not for everyone is almost trite.  even WoW is not for everyone.  Although it tries pretty hard.  But, somehow, people get the idea that everything new should appeal to everyone, and anyone who finds something less than satisfying must have been cheated.  That is simply ridiculous.  You take your chance, you spend a little money, you spend a little time, and if you discover that the experience doesn't suit you, you try again somewhere else.  that's how it is.  That's how it will be for your entire life.  If you haven't figured that out yet, whoever you are out there reading this, you might as well get used to it now.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by trogwolf

A couple of months ago I read a review of Darkfall on this website by Paragus Rants, a player in the game.  The review seemed to me to be very Objective.  More importantly to me, it included enough information for a fan of Asheron's Call, Shadowbane and EVE Online to buy the game and try it out. 

While waiting to buy the game I noticed that the forums for Darkfall itself were full of posts by Whiners and Haters, as I call them, most of which I ignored, since I am capable of reaching my own conclusions about whether I want to play a particular game.

I have played almost every day since I was able to purchase the game and I really enjoy it.  BUT IT ISN'T FOR EVERYONE.  The developers have a unique vision for what their game should be.  In many ways Darkfall is like a lot of games you may have already played, and in many other ways it differs.  If you play the game you will discover that if you liked playing Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, EVE Online and any other similar MMORPG on a PvP server, then you are likely to enjoy Darkfall. 

If you are a potential buyer who makes decisions based on reviews, then I recommend reading the excellent reviews by Paragus Rants.  I haven't bothered to look at the Eurogamer review, since I am already in game.  I recommend the game personally, but you may not like the very individual choices made by the developers.  They have a very firm idea of what they want their game to be.  So far I like their choices.

The only real problem in the game is the same problem a player faces in any game - new players on the server will have a bit of a challenge coping with players who were on since the first month.  But this is true in all of these games.  If and when there is a new server, whether Eropean or American, there will be a slightly better opportunity to play on a level field, but late comers to PvP games will always be behind the curve to veteran players, regardless of the game.  So, no problem.  Just get in a guild and get good at what you like to do best.

And remember, it may be PvP but it is still a game.  Enjoy yourself and have a good time.  And when you stop having fun, find a different way to spend your time.  If you keep doing something you don't enjoy, and become a Whiner and a Hater, you have also become a Fool, if you weren't one already.  See Dick play, see Dick lose interest.  See Dick keep playing and start whining.  Don't be a Dick. 

Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?

I have an apple to sell.  Its rotten, its breeding worms, but its the best.

Only the best and few exclusive can muster the guts to eat it, only the wise will know that this is the apple from the Eden Garden.  Worry not you will be sick after a bite, worry not the apple is actually not the Eden apple, just believe and you will have salvation.

Oh come on, you told us its not for the majority, that does not mean its good, it could easily be that DF is so bad any sane person will shun it.

Evaluation of a game is by its features, not by availability.  After all its a digital product, the only availability is the choking supply artificially created by stupid AV.  Nothing special about it.  Feature wise DF sucks, this is about the consensus of just about everyone except a handful few.  The few are special, wise or stupid.

Are the few handful few wise?  From the way they talk, the exact oppposite.  This about sums up my case.

This game is nothing more than an exercise to extract money by false pretences

EG is has hit the nail on the head with their review - Darkfall is utter rubbish.

I have to wonder... if 2 hrs of playing time by a reviewer had resulted in a 8/10 score would we even know that it was only 2 hours? I think not. I think Aventurine would have taken the positive review and ran with it and no one would have been the wiser,

Tasos is making a big deal out of the amount of time the reviewer spent with the game before deciding he hated it. The amount of time seems pretty small--although I myself have spent about this much on some games (Dawn of Magic, anyone?) before coming to my own conclusion that they were a complete POS--but I wonder how often this happens and produces positive reviews that are then used by the game company to promote its game,

Doesn't everyone already know that game reviews produced by game sites should be taken with a grain of salt? That they are at best, questionable and that there is often an uncomfortably cozy relationship between the gaming company and the site that publishes the review?

Tasos is whining about this being an unprofesional biased review. Personaly, I'm enjoying seeing a review that deviates from the conventional scale that very rarely strays from the 6/10 to 9/10 range where almost all reviews fall.

My take is that Aventurine didn't spend enough time wining and dining and giving "exclusives" to Eurogamer to massage a favorable review out of them... live and learn :p

I bet if you added all this publicity together youd realize that with just one bad review DFO has saved thousands on advertisement fees. Theres literally a hundres different forums discussing this game in lenght now. Tens of web-comic depicting a carebear reviewer in a PvP game getting raped. You cant buy that stuff, but evidently you can get it, by making a nish orineted game and having it reviewed by a non-nish player.

"We now fixed most of the things you complained about. Our game is better than ever. Thanks for the free publicity."

Priceless.

negative publicity =/= advertisement

First) Eurogamer and EDGE magazine are eurotrash review sites that commonly trash solid games for publicity/ sales. Then they turn back on their points, and then go ahead and give a game like "PARTY BABIES" or something for the wii (its a real game and its true) a 9 out of 10.  And they gave MGS4 a 7 out of 10, and Killzone2 at 7 out of 10 (or was it 8?) anyway, they purposefully are biased in their reviews and i honestly believe the chat logs were most likely right about the situation.

The kid most likely didn't even play the game for more than2 hours, and i know for a fact MMO's log user login times and chat logs. They most likely were telling the truth when calling them out.

But it doesn't excuse Darkfall being a poorly made game.

Originally posted by artacq

I bet if you added all this publicity together youd realize that with just one bad review DFO has saved thousands on advertisement fees. Theres literally a hundres different forums discussing this game in lenght now. Tens of web-comic depicting a carebear reviewer in a PvP game getting raped. You cant buy that stuff, but evidently you can get it, by making a nish orineted game and having it reviewed by a non-nish player.

 

"We now fixed most of the things you complained about. Our game is better than ever. Thanks for the free publicity."

Priceless.

Uhm, it is better to be unknown then to get this kind of publicity. A really bad review never helps and devs acting like children is not good either.

The review was crappy, that is true but with this kind of publicity many potential customers will stay far from the game.

There are certain things you shouldn't say if you work in a company. Why do you think companys like Mythic, SOE and Funcom never commented their bad reviews? Because Tasos is a genius? Hardly.

This is costing DF a lot in the long run and the guys at Mortal online must be laughing.

Originally posted by Kratier

negative publicity =/= advertisement

 

First) Eurogamer and EDGE magazine are eurotrash review sites that commonly trash solid games for publicity/ sales. Then they turn back on their points, and then go ahead and give a game like "PARTY BABIES" or something for the wii (its a real game and its true) a 9 out of 10.  And they gave MGS4 a 7 out of 10, and Killzone2 at 7 out of 10 (or was it 8?) anyway, they purposefully are biased in their reviews and i honestly believe the chat logs were most likely right about the situation.

 

The kid most likely didn't even play the game for more than2 hours, and i know for a fact MMO's log user login times and chat logs. They most likely were telling the truth when calling them out.

 

But it doesn't excuse Darkfall being a poorly made game.

 

 

 

 

Actually Eurogamer gave Killzone 2 a 9/10 and I can't find anything of this baby game you have spoken of. So where is this so called bias?
 

Originally posted by Spiider

 i don't get it. EUROGAMER can write whatever they want but if DF can deliver something good people will simply play it and ignore any reviews. And bad publicity is better then no publiity so it's all up to DF to show is it worth it.

Let's take SWG for example, no matter how many good reviews it gets people will simply not play it since it sucks for 99% of players out there. 

Market will speak it's mind, and if I was DF marketing manager I would not sweat it over a simple review.

Yes, Eurogamer can write whatever they want but if it's discovered that they are misrepresenting themselves then their reviews won't be taken seriously. Unfortunately for Tasos, nothing in the Eurogamer review of Darkfall has been proven to be false.

The rating is obviously distorted and deceptive.

On a scale from 1 to 10, an average MMO should be 5.

Considering all the MMOs out there, Darkfall is above average.

The review is the bias ramblings of a snot-nosed WoW kid that was paid off.

2 hours of review, or even if it was 20, is not enough to review an MMO.

A solid review of an MMO requires at least a month.

This Eurogamer review is a shallow sham and so is the kid that wrote it...

Ed Zitron of Darkfall Eurogamer review:

Originally posted by King-Kong

 

The rating is obviously distorted and deceptive.  Opinion and ranting, any proof?

On a scale from 1 to 10, an average MMO should be 5.  Why?  What is your definition of average?  The tallest man is around 2.3m say and the shortest man is under 1m, so the average height of all man is 1.25m?  come on, just making a scale of 1 to 10 =/= 10 is the average.  Having a thermometer with scale from 0 to 100 degree celsus does not mean the average temperature to be 50.  Your argument is stupid, to say the least.

Considering all the MMOs out there, Darkfall is above average.  Your view.  Verl lonely view.  Practically everyone who talks about it gives it 1/10 to 4/10.  And that is by EG's scale, meaning stay away from it.  4/10 is appalling.

The review is the bias ramblings of a snot-nosed WoW kid that was paid off.  Baseless accusation and blind hatred, and have to bring in WoW without ground, b/c you have nothing else to argue with.

2 hours of review, or even if it was 20, is not enough to review an MMO.  For your same argument, it takes a week before a doctor can diagnose a sick patient.  For very subtle disease, it takes a while to figure it out, for very serious bleeding patient with open wounds, the doctor can immediately make judgment and call for surgery.  In the case of DF, being so dead, you can smell it from a mile.  Poor Zit has to suffer a few hours to confirm that it really stinks worse than limits of imagination.

A solid review of an MMO requires at least a month.  If you buy a loaf of bread and found that bugs were flying out of the bag as you open it, will you force yourself to finish the loaf before telling me its rotten?  I hope not.

This Eurogamer review is a shallow sham and so is the kid that wrote it...  Groundless personal insults.

 

Ed Zitron of Darkfall Eurogamer review:

If you really have a point, mention it.  Using totally irrelevant pictures and meaningless rants won't establish any good faith or credit.

When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10

DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.

Originally posted by King-Kong

 

The rating is obviously distorted and deceptive.

On a scale from 1 to 10, an average MMO should be 5.

Considering all the MMOs out there, Darkfall is above average.

The review is the bias ramblings of a snot-nosed WoW kid that was paid off.

2 hours of review, or even if it was 20, is not enough to review an MMO.

A solid review of an MMO requires at least a month.

This Eurogamer review is a shallow sham and so is the kid that wrote it... 

How about you go through his review and point out each item he gave a low score on and give us info on why he is wrong !

That would be more constructive.

Originally posted by kishe

When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10

 

DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.

 

 

We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September).  No idea if Mortal online or others are coming.  Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.

No point to even consider DF by the end of the year.  For me at least.  Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by kishe

When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10

 

DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.

 

 

 

We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September).  No idea if Mortal online or others are coming.  Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.

No point to even consider DF by the end of the year.  For me at least.  Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.

Yes, but other people might feel differently. These games are not for everyone. So, by the end of this year, the Darkfall group might be really pleased with their product.

ya i feel differently just started playing today. first look at the game and i give it a 6.4/10 not bad at all.

we will just have to see where it goes from here.

Originally posted by Sanguinia

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by kishe

When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10

 

DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.

 

 

 

We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September).  No idea if Mortal online or others are coming.  Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.

No point to even consider DF by the end of the year.  For me at least.  Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.

 

Yes, but other people might feel differently. These games are not for everyone. So, by the end of this year, the Darkfall group might be really pleased with their product.

Too bad, even for its niche market share, it is facing MO by the end of the year.  I understand that Champions Online is not exactly a substitute for DFo fans, but MO and to a lesser extent Aion are direct competitors, head on.
 

So if you are looking into the time frame of another 6-8 months, DFo is facing its demise.  If MO is launched without such total fiasco (and who can screw up worse than DFo?  Not even a monkey can manage that feat), if Aion localised to NA, DFo will have little appeal to the market, unless someone must play DFo and nothing else.

I am not a gamer by type, I play anything that holds my attention.  Multiple sub is entirely acceptable.  I pay 4xmonthly sub now.  I have room for one or 2 more easily, Champion online is a must, Aion maybe, DFo hardly.  Not because its a ffa pvp, but b/c DFo is a pile of dirt.

Personally, I don't care if they play Darkfall, Aion, Hello Kitty, whatever. Just as long as most of the pvp morons stay away from Champions Online. To them, it's the whatever latest game. To me, it's a part of my role-playing history.  I don't need them screwing it up by pressuring the devs to "balance" things for PvP. I hate that crap.