If you run macro's on a game for months on months did you at ANY point think.....what is the point of the game if I am not playing it?

Essentially when I read this I think...so you spent 4 months not playing the game so you could then play on a level playing field with all the other macro'ers when you could have simply installed any FPS game out there and INSTANTLY got the same-level gameplay you wanted.

I...just...don't...get....some...people

Originally posted by karmath

 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by karmath
A wipe in DF is a good thing. Every single player that played it for more than a month has exploited in someway to a varying degree. Why whinge about it since keeping old toons is going to result in the same low pop anyway. Exploited max skill chars 1v10'ing people makes people quit, not hard too see that isnt a good thing if you actually want the game to succeed.

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So you a exploiter ?  because if you ever have been in game you must have exploited according to your statement.
If you exploited and you played on and off you with those pople who have
1) exploited
2) don't supported DF with a continouusly subscription all the 3 years
 
but nevertheless you demand  a
3) wipe
 
= Exploiters are also within those who want to wipe.
How are chances those exploiters don't cheat again in DF 2.0 ?

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Yeah myself, my entire clan, my entire alliance and the vast majority of rival clans exploited various mobs to macro on. I would afk macro on mobs for days at a time while not even being at home. There was a constant flow of people afk'ing at spawns and people protecting the afkers. Rival clans/alliances would come to the exploitable spawns to kill our guys to take their reagents so they could claim the spawn as their own and afk macro on them. Why did people go to such lengths to cheat? Because 99% of the server was doing it in one form or another and you and your clan didnt stand a chance in hell if you didnt. I think we exploited one particular minotaur spawn for months before anything official was done about it. Looking back though, it was a kinda 'sandbox feature' that the players created for themselves, you cant image the in game wars and forum wars surrounding such events, it was actually pretty fun.

Hopefully AV learns for this and puts in systems to not only prevent this type of thing but actualy make it as fun as exploiting things was.

 

Thanks for admitiing it in the open. It was just as i thought.

No only did pro wipers exploit  and ruined the gameplay for many of us who did not. Now they demand a server wipe on top and shit on the legit players a second time !

What are chances you min maxers and insta gratification kiddies do not exploit again ?  on the slightest sign of a bug you will jump on the oppurtunity to exploit and cheat !  If they wipe this time they have to wipe every often and randomnly so you never have a chance to max your chars by exploiting !

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by karmath

 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by karmath
A wipe in DF is a good thing. Every single player that played it for more than a month has exploited in someway to a varying degree. Why whinge about it since keeping old toons is going to result in the same low pop anyway. Exploited max skill chars 1v10'ing people makes people quit, not hard too see that isnt a good thing if you actually want the game to succeed.

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So you a exploiter ?  because if you ever have been in game you must have exploited according to your statement.
If you exploited and you played on and off you with those pople who have
1) exploited
2) don't supported DF with a continouusly subscription all the 3 years
 
but nevertheless you demand  a
3) wipe
 
= Exploiters are also within those who want to wipe.
How are chances those exploiters don't cheat again in DF 2.0 ?

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Yeah myself, my entire clan, my entire alliance and the vast majority of rival clans exploited various mobs to macro on. I would afk macro on mobs for days at a time while not even being at home. There was a constant flow of people afk'ing at spawns and people protecting the afkers. Rival clans/alliances would come to the exploitable spawns to kill our guys to take their reagents so they could claim the spawn as their own and afk macro on them. Why did people go to such lengths to cheat? Because 99% of the server was doing it in one form or another and you and your clan didnt stand a chance in hell if you didnt. I think we exploited one particular minotaur spawn for months before anything official was done about it. Looking back though, it was a kinda 'sandbox feature' that the players created for themselves, you cant image the in game wars and forum wars surrounding such events, it was actually pretty fun.

Hopefully AV learns for this and puts in systems to not only prevent this type of thing but actualy make it as fun as exploiting things was.

 

Thanks for admitiing it in the open. It was just as i thought.

No only did pro wipers exploit  and ruined the gameplay for many of us who did not. Now they demand a server wipe on top and shit on the legit players a second time !

What are chances you min maxers and insta gratification kiddies do not exploit again ?  on the slightest sign of a bug you will jump on the oppurtunity to exploit and cheat !  If they wipe this time they have to wipe every often and randomnly so you never have a chance to max your chars by exploiting !

You're wrong cuz if the current 2.0 feature on paper are accurate, being maxed wont be an advantage.

1st of all, most passive skills, specially for the defence and magics will be removed. These skills/spells are mostly the reason you had to macro to keep up because it wasnt possible to get them high enough with natural gameplay.

The gear set you will equip will determine your role. For example, an heavy warrior set will allow you to cast lesser and greater magics only. Only naked players wont be limited(Naked hybrids), but they wont gain any form of boost either.

Unless you go naked, the more different peace equipment class you will want to equip, the more limited you will become. A pure will be the best choice at the end. This mean that maximizing your character will just become an achiement, to have more option of play style before you get away from the bank or just to waste your time if you're only gonna play with 1 playstyle most of the time.

At the end, maxers will remain maxers. Mini maxers will become 1 maxed class. Those who enjoy grinding and who seek the challenge at the same time will become naked hybrids.

I think that if you like the game, you will get over a wipe.

There are a sizable group of players who don't have legit characters.  It doesn't matter if you've played for three years or three days.  You should be able to recognize this fact.  You must play a lot, for a very long time, to be able to be competitive with these characters.  What would wiping do in the long run, ask yourself that question.  It would even the playing field, this is assuming AV has figured out a way to lessen the time needed to be competitive.  Even if they wiped all player vaults in the game, what would that really do?  Nothing really.  The best players are still going to have an advantage with knowledge.  Ultimately, I think it comes down to this.

Do you want Darkfall with 2,000 subscriptions?

Or

Do you want Darkfall with 20,000 subscriptions, or more?

There really is only one choice here for AV.  They can beat their head against a wall and continue to lose players.  Or they can take a risk and have a chance at actually making some profit on their investment.  That profit, by the way, will probably turn into some enhancements for the game. 

Does a wipe sound good in general?  No, of course not.  But, you really need to take a step back and remove the AV bias from the equation. 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by karmath

 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by karmath
A wipe in DF is a good thing. Every single player that played it for more than a month has exploited in someway to a varying degree. Why whinge about it since keeping old toons is going to result in the same low pop anyway. Exploited max skill chars 1v10'ing people makes people quit, not hard too see that isnt a good thing if you actually want the game to succeed.

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So you a exploiter ?  because if you ever have been in game you must have exploited according to your statement.
If you exploited and you played on and off you with those pople who have
1) exploited
2) don't supported DF with a continouusly subscription all the 3 years
 
but nevertheless you demand  a
3) wipe
 
= Exploiters are also within those who want to wipe.
How are chances those exploiters don't cheat again in DF 2.0 ?

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Yeah myself, my entire clan, my entire alliance and the vast majority of rival clans exploited various mobs to macro on. I would afk macro on mobs for days at a time while not even being at home. There was a constant flow of people afk'ing at spawns and people protecting the afkers. Rival clans/alliances would come to the exploitable spawns to kill our guys to take their reagents so they could claim the spawn as their own and afk macro on them. Why did people go to such lengths to cheat? Because 99% of the server was doing it in one form or another and you and your clan didnt stand a chance in hell if you didnt. I think we exploited one particular minotaur spawn for months before anything official was done about it. Looking back though, it was a kinda 'sandbox feature' that the players created for themselves, you cant image the in game wars and forum wars surrounding such events, it was actually pretty fun.

Hopefully AV learns for this and puts in systems to not only prevent this type of thing but actualy make it as fun as exploiting things was.

 

Thanks for admitiing it in the open. It was just as i thought.

No only did pro wipers exploit  and ruined the gameplay for many of us who did not. Now they demand a server wipe on top and shit on the legit players a second time !

What are chances you min maxers and insta gratification kiddies do not exploit again ?  on the slightest sign of a bug you will jump on the oppurtunity to exploit and cheat !  If they wipe this time they have to wipe every often and randomnly so you never have a chance to max your chars by exploiting !

What if it doesn't take you a year to become viable in a legit way?  I can see your anger now, but what if it takes three months of playing to be at the 'end-game'?  Everyone around you will be doing the same thing.  Equipment restricting skills and spells is a decent solution.  It will require you, in most cases, to focus on a small set of skills rather than be highly skilled in everything to succeed.  That will lessen the grind significantly.

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by karmath

 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by karmath
A wipe in DF is a good thing. Every single player that played it for more than a month has exploited in someway to a varying degree. Why whinge about it since keeping old toons is going to result in the same low pop anyway. Exploited max skill chars 1v10'ing people makes people quit, not hard too see that isnt a good thing if you actually want the game to succeed.

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So you a exploiter ?  because if you ever have been in game you must have exploited according to your statement.
If you exploited and you played on and off you with those pople who have
1) exploited
2) don't supported DF with a continouusly subscription all the 3 years
 
but nevertheless you demand  a
3) wipe
 
= Exploiters are also within those who want to wipe.
How are chances those exploiters don't cheat again in DF 2.0 ?

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Yeah myself, my entire clan, my entire alliance and the vast majority of rival clans exploited various mobs to macro on. I would afk macro on mobs for days at a time while not even being at home. There was a constant flow of people afk'ing at spawns and people protecting the afkers. Rival clans/alliances would come to the exploitable spawns to kill our guys to take their reagents so they could claim the spawn as their own and afk macro on them. Why did people go to such lengths to cheat? Because 99% of the server was doing it in one form or another and you and your clan didnt stand a chance in hell if you didnt. I think we exploited one particular minotaur spawn for months before anything official was done about it. Looking back though, it was a kinda 'sandbox feature' that the players created for themselves, you cant image the in game wars and forum wars surrounding such events, it was actually pretty fun.

Hopefully AV learns for this and puts in systems to not only prevent this type of thing but actualy make it as fun as exploiting things was.

 

Thanks for admitiing it in the open. It was just as i thought.

No only did pro wipers exploit  and ruined the gameplay for many of us who did not. Now they demand a server wipe on top and shit on the legit players a second time !

What are chances you min maxers and insta gratification kiddies do not exploit again ?  on the slightest sign of a bug you will jump on the oppurtunity to exploit and cheat !  If they wipe this time they have to wipe every often and randomnly so you never have a chance to max your chars by exploiting !

What if it doesn't take you a year to become viable in a legit way?  I can see your anger now, but what if it takes three months of playing to be at the 'end-game'?  Everyone around you will be doing the same thing.  Equipment restricting skills and spells is a decent solution.  It will require you, in most cases, to focus on a small set of skills rather than be highly skilled in everything to succeed.  That will lessen the grind significantly.

How is that related to the discussion you quoted ?

Exploiters are within pro wipers. They exploited, got bored ,left  and now they want to see my invested playtime nullified because they feel like they will be behind rejoining years later.

Its a MMORPG, you WILL be behind if you join 3 years later then those who started and play constinuously for 3 years.  YOu CAN'T demand to have same like vets of a game joining 3 years later. 

It is shocking how so few people see the inopportuneness in what they demand here.

About you "reduced time" at 3 months to max, why not. The end game talk is not very sandboxy but if they allow for just few skills being allowed active and many much more obtainable no problem there. I think thats what they try to achieve with their armor spec and prestge stat system . D'accord with it.    

Just so you know nothing in the EULA of any game guarantees your character all it does is guarantee you're able to play the game.   AV is dammed if they do and dammed if they dont here.

Originally posted by William12

Just so you know nothing in the EULA of any game guarantees your character all it does is guarantee you're able to play the game.   AV is dammed if they do and dammed if they dont here.

Wanna enter the discussion of legally  vs morally ?

What may be legal (whats not  even ensured since they HAVE TO store your progress and keep a copy)  can be and is immoral in this case.  Its a unwritten MMORPG law  that you dont even change the gamemachnics too much (NGE)  let alone wipe (Darkfall). 

Its a bahaviour worser then being trash in this society. Is like to piss at someones documents he worked for years (example diploma thesis). To come with a bulldozer and destroy someones home so you make someone homeless.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by karmath

 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by karmath
A wipe in DF is a good thing. Every single player that played it for more than a month has exploited in someway to a varying degree. Why whinge about it since keeping old toons is going to result in the same low pop anyway. Exploited max skill chars 1v10'ing people makes people quit, not hard too see that isnt a good thing if you actually want the game to succeed.

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So you a exploiter ?  because if you ever have been in game you must have exploited according to your statement.
If you exploited and you played on and off you with those pople who have
1) exploited
2) don't supported DF with a continouusly subscription all the 3 years
 
but nevertheless you demand  a
3) wipe
 
= Exploiters are also within those who want to wipe.
How are chances those exploiters don't cheat again in DF 2.0 ?

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Yeah myself, my entire clan, my entire alliance and the vast majority of rival clans exploited various mobs to macro on. I would afk macro on mobs for days at a time while not even being at home. There was a constant flow of people afk'ing at spawns and people protecting the afkers. Rival clans/alliances would come to the exploitable spawns to kill our guys to take their reagents so they could claim the spawn as their own and afk macro on them. Why did people go to such lengths to cheat? Because 99% of the server was doing it in one form or another and you and your clan didnt stand a chance in hell if you didnt. I think we exploited one particular minotaur spawn for months before anything official was done about it. Looking back though, it was a kinda 'sandbox feature' that the players created for themselves, you cant image the in game wars and forum wars surrounding such events, it was actually pretty fun.

Hopefully AV learns for this and puts in systems to not only prevent this type of thing but actualy make it as fun as exploiting things was.

 

Thanks for admitiing it in the open. It was just as i thought.

No only did pro wipers exploit  and ruined the gameplay for many of us who did not. Now they demand a server wipe on top and shit on the legit players a second time !

What are chances you min maxers and insta gratification kiddies do not exploit again ?  on the slightest sign of a bug you will jump on the oppurtunity to exploit and cheat !  If they wipe this time they have to wipe every often and randomnly so you never have a chance to max your chars by exploiting !

What if it doesn't take you a year to become viable in a legit way?  I can see your anger now, but what if it takes three months of playing to be at the 'end-game'?  Everyone around you will be doing the same thing.  Equipment restricting skills and spells is a decent solution.  It will require you, in most cases, to focus on a small set of skills rather than be highly skilled in everything to succeed.  That will lessen the grind significantly.

 

How is that related to the discussion you quoted ?

Exploiters are within pro wipers. They exploited, got bored ,left  and now they want to see my invested playtime nullified because they feel like they will be behind rejoining years later.

Its a MMORPG, you WILL be behind if you join 3 years later then those who started and play constinuously for 3 years.  YOu CAN'T demand to have same like vets of a game joining 3 years later. 

It is shocking how so few people see the inopportuneness in what they demand here.

About you "reduced time" at 3 months to max, why not. The end game talk is not very sandboxy but if they allow for just few skills being allowed active and many much more obtainable no problem there. I think thats what they try to achieve with their armor spec and prestge stat system . D'accord with it.    

The maxed players probably left the game, but the maxed characters are still in DF. They sell the maxed character for like 200-500 real life money. A lot of them easily get sold out.

Funny thing is, you dont seem to get that it only takes 2-3 years to catch up a vet for a legit player(For a full legit, its impossible, thats the truth) You have to be a cheater to catch up in a year. DF is a game full of cheaters and sold characters nowadays.

I know cuz i was one of these cheaters. I exploited the bugged mobs for months, almost a year to catch up to a vet. I got banned twice. 1 more ban and i was permanently banned. Did i stop exploiting because of these bans? No, cuz otherwise, i'd remain nothing for ever.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by William12

Just so you know nothing in the EULA of any game guarantees your character all it does is guarantee you're able to play the game.   AV is dammed if they do and dammed if they dont here.

 

Wanna enter the discussion of legally  vs morally ?

What may be legal (whats not  even ensured since they HAVE TO store your progress and keep a copy)  can be and is immoral in this case.  Its a unwritten MMORPG law  that you dont even change the gamemachnics too much (NGE)  let alone wipe (Darkfall). 

Its a bahaviour worser then being trash in this society. Is like to piss at someones documents he worked for years (example diploma thesis). To come with a bulldozer and destroy someones home so you make someone homeless.

Don't get started with that.

Hey guys, lets discuss the TOS.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Since months now they didn't clear this up for their customers and last official quote speaks about "both sides on the matter".

I wonder who the other side is if one side is that of a paying subscriber and customer.

To get sure and stay on the safe site the best is to assume that AV won't respect you investment and won't respect you as customer and will wipe your achievement when they switch to DF 20 without any compensation. The lack of information and ignore of repeated request  from the community strongly indicates this.

Be warned.  

 As a former Darkfall player all I can see AV moving towards is a full relaunch of the game.  This means in no uncertain terms and regardless of their pussyfooting around that there will be a wipe.  I assume there will be some form of compensation to those players that lose skills, items, etc. to the wipe, but much of the new system does not even sound the same as the original (modifying spell schools, new spells added, old removed, etc.).

They should just wipe and start out brand new with some perks provided to those who were previously customers.  Or they could launch 2.0 while leaving 1.0 up and running.  They could have a "Legacy" server with 2.0 where the characters are essentially unwiped, etc.  There's a ton of various possibilities on how this could go down, but I think it's inevitably with some form of wipe. 

Sadly it does not matter if this is the right, wrong, left right, up, down, neutral, or sideways thing to do to its existing customer base.  2.0 is a new game and needs to start fresh.  Some of the options I mentioned may work, but the wipe's coming.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by karmath

 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by karmath
A wipe in DF is a good thing. Every single player that played it for more than a month has exploited in someway to a varying degree. Why whinge about it since keeping old toons is going to result in the same low pop anyway. Exploited max skill chars 1v10'ing people makes people quit, not hard too see that isnt a good thing if you actually want the game to succeed.

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So you a exploiter ?  because if you ever have been in game you must have exploited according to your statement.
If you exploited and you played on and off you with those pople who have
1) exploited
2) don't supported DF with a continouusly subscription all the 3 years
 
but nevertheless you demand  a
3) wipe
 
= Exploiters are also within those who want to wipe.
How are chances those exploiters don't cheat again in DF 2.0 ?

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Yeah myself, my entire clan, my entire alliance and the vast majority of rival clans exploited various mobs to macro on. I would afk macro on mobs for days at a time while not even being at home. There was a constant flow of people afk'ing at spawns and people protecting the afkers. Rival clans/alliances would come to the exploitable spawns to kill our guys to take their reagents so they could claim the spawn as their own and afk macro on them. Why did people go to such lengths to cheat? Because 99% of the server was doing it in one form or another and you and your clan didnt stand a chance in hell if you didnt. I think we exploited one particular minotaur spawn for months before anything official was done about it. Looking back though, it was a kinda 'sandbox feature' that the players created for themselves, you cant image the in game wars and forum wars surrounding such events, it was actually pretty fun.

Hopefully AV learns for this and puts in systems to not only prevent this type of thing but actualy make it as fun as exploiting things was.

 

Thanks for admitiing it in the open. It was just as i thought.

No only did pro wipers exploit  and ruined the gameplay for many of us who did not. Now they demand a server wipe on top and shit on the legit players a second time !

What are chances you min maxers and insta gratification kiddies do not exploit again ?  on the slightest sign of a bug you will jump on the oppurtunity to exploit and cheat !  If they wipe this time they have to wipe every often and randomnly so you never have a chance to max your chars by exploiting !

What if it doesn't take you a year to become viable in a legit way?  I can see your anger now, but what if it takes three months of playing to be at the 'end-game'?  Everyone around you will be doing the same thing.  Equipment restricting skills and spells is a decent solution.  It will require you, in most cases, to focus on a small set of skills rather than be highly skilled in everything to succeed.  That will lessen the grind significantly.

 

How is that related to the discussion you quoted ?

Exploiters are within pro wipers. They exploited, got bored ,left  and now they want to see my invested playtime nullified because they feel like they will be behind rejoining years later.

Its a MMORPG, you WILL be behind if you join 3 years later then those who started and play constinuously for 3 years.  YOu CAN'T demand to have same like vets of a game joining 3 years later. 

It is shocking how so few people see the inopportuneness in what they demand here.

About you "reduced time" at 3 months to max, why not. The end game talk is not very sandboxy but if they allow for just few skills being allowed active and many much more obtainable no problem there. I think thats what they try to achieve with their armor spec and prestge stat system . D'accord with it.    

The maxed players probably left the game, but the maxed characters are still in DF. They sell the maxed character for like 200-500 real life money. A lot of them easily get sold out.

Funny thing is, you dont seem to get that it only takes 2-3 years to catch up a vet for a legit player(For a full legit, its impossible, thats the truth) You have to be a cheater to catch up in a year. DF is a game full of cheaters and sold characters nowadays.

 

I know cuz i was one of these cheaters. I exploited the bugged mobs for months, almost a year to catch up to a vet. I got banned twice. 1 more ban and i was permanently banned. Did i stop exploiting because of these bans? No, cuz otherwise, i'd remain nothing for ever.

 

Legit pro - wiper become more of a myth with more and more of you guys coming out of the bushes.

Instead of exploit, sell and buy chars (whats illegal btw ) and try to min max why you didnt play the game,report and  kill or drawn the afk macror's, report any bug and anyone using it instead of take advantage of it.

Its impossible ? It is very posiible, prooven by the few people who did everything for the server and Darkfall to become a good , bugfree and exploiter free game, unlike the exploiter quitters that  now come and demand a wipe for everyone.

You and the ones will cheat and and exploit DF 2.0 cause you dont grasp what it takes and the mindset thats required to belong even to the elligible people who would have right to ask for a wipe.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by zephermarkus

if you were really playing it for the competition then a wipe woudn't bother u at all. U sound like one the zerg gankers to me!

Wrong approach. Wiping a game 3 or 4 years later (DarkFall turned 3 this year), means erasing up to 3  years of time that players have spent into this game. Wiping at this point is saying that all those years spent were meaningless. It's like working in an company for 15 years, and then suddenly the employer shows up and say "You're all fired, but don't worry, you can always re-apply starting tomorrow." That's insanity.

Well, many games reset the playing field every so often.  I don't get the notion of being entitled to a 3 year advantage just because you played longer.  At some point it gets out of whack.  I would look at is like this.  "Hey, I played for 3 years and dominated.  Time to start over and see if I can dominate the next 3 years."

Again, many MMO's even the playing field every so often.  Either via expansions that require re-leveling and regearing or a cap which eventually lets newer players catch up to older players.

I just find it a bit selfish for old veterans in games to never let newer players have a chance of catching up.

The difference with those other games is that players know about to wipe either as they enter the game, or learn shortly after.  In DarkFall's case, there were no mention of a wipe until 2 years later, and still today there are no answers as to whether or not they will wipe.  Games like DarkFall (although may currently look line one) are not Call Of Duty-like games, they are MMORPGs. Building your characters, your clan, your standing in the world is what matters. It was the same in UO and other similar games. Whether players should start over after having spent 3 years of building their character into the world's story should not be up to the developers, but the player himself.

And that's not all, if a wipe does occur, the chance of yet another wipe will exist as small as it may be. This will just kill the playerbase even more.  It's simply a terrible move by Aventurine.

Years of exploiting down the tube!

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by zephermarkus

if you were really playing it for the competition then a wipe woudn't bother u at all. U sound like one the zerg gankers to me!

Wrong approach. Wiping a game 3 or 4 years later (DarkFall turned 3 this year), means erasing up to 3  years of time that players have spent into this game. Wiping at this point is saying that all those years spent were meaningless. It's like working in an company for 15 years, and then suddenly the employer shows up and say "You're all fired, but don't worry, you can always re-apply starting tomorrow." That's insanity.

its how the real world actualy works :P

games end and jobs end and yes there a whole lot of jobs that "end" once you get to expencive and they hire a younger person (less cost) or even go so far as to say hey youre job ends but we got this job starting next week, ofc the pay is lower but you still do about the same as you do now, cool eh.

Games end everyday, wiping DF1.0 and starting DF2.0 is basicly sutting down the server,ending the game, then starting the server back up again whit a new name and a new game.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by zephermarkus

if you were really playing it for the competition then a wipe woudn't bother u at all. U sound like one the zerg gankers to me!

Wrong approach. Wiping a game 3 or 4 years later (DarkFall turned 3 this year), means erasing up to 3  years of time that players have spent into this game. Wiping at this point is saying that all those years spent were meaningless. It's like working in an company for 15 years, and then suddenly the employer shows up and say "You're all fired, but don't worry, you can always re-apply starting tomorrow." That's insanity.

Well, many games reset the playing field every so often.  I don't get the notion of being entitled to a 3 year advantage just because you played longer.  At some point it gets out of whack.  I would look at is like this.  "Hey, I played for 3 years and dominated.  Time to start over and see if I can dominate the next 3 years."

Again, many MMO's even the playing field every so often.  Either via expansions that require re-leveling and regearing or a cap which eventually lets newer players catch up to older players.

I just find it a bit selfish for old veterans in games to never let newer players have a chance of catching up.

 

The difference with those other games is that players know about to wipe either as they enter the game, or learn shortly after.  In DarkFall's case, there were no mention of a wipe until 2 years later, and still today there are no answers as to whether or not they will wipe.  Games like DarkFall (although may currently look line one) are not Call Of Duty-like games, they are MMORPGs. Building your characters, your clan, your standing in the world is what matters. It was the same in UO and other similar games. Whether players should start over after having spent 3 years of building their character into the world's story should not be up to the developers, but the player himself.

 

And that's not all, if a wipe does occur, the chance of yet another wipe will exist as small as it may be. This will just kill the playerbase even more.  It's simply a terrible move by Aventurine.

If AV does wipe the server it will be because there aren't enough veterans to prevent it.  Darkfall veterans need to be in larger numbers and more vocal, like in EVE, if they want to keep their massive advantage.  AV is probably calculating they will make more money by wiping and hoping to get new players because many of the supposedly PVP focussed games coming out are carebear games like GW2.

CCP with EVE calculated they would lose more by pissing off the veterans so that game will forever be run by the veterans.  Darkfall, unfortunately for its veterans, is probably not successful enough with the current crop of veterans to do that.  Their best hope is probably they will partition off a server that the vets can stay on, but then they will lose interest because there will be no more noobs to pick on.

Originally posted by Nephaerius

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Since months now they didn't clear this up for their customers and last official quote speaks about "both sides on the matter".

I wonder who the other side is if one side is that of a paying subscriber and customer.

To get sure and stay on the safe site the best is to assume that AV won't respect you investment and won't respect you as customer and will wipe your achievement when they switch to DF 20 without any compensation. The lack of information and ignore of repeated request  from the community strongly indicates this.

Be warned.  

 As a former Darkfall player all I can see AV moving towards is a full relaunch of the game.  This means in no uncertain terms and regardless of their pussyfooting around that there will be a wipe.  I assume there will be some form of compensation to those players that lose skills, items, etc. to the wipe, but much of the new system does not even sound the same as the original (modifying spell schools, new spells added, old removed, etc.).

They should just wipe and start out brand new with some perks provided to those who were previously customers.  Or they could launch 2.0 while leaving 1.0 up and running.  They could have a "Legacy" server with 2.0 where the characters are essentially unwiped, etc.  There's a ton of various possibilities on how this could go down, but I think it's inevitably with some form of wipe. 

Sadly it does not matter if this is the right, wrong, left right, up, down, neutral, or sideways thing to do to its existing customer base.  2.0 is a new game and needs to start fresh.  Some of the options I mentioned may work, but the wipe's coming.

As long as they don't wipe what stay's in game i am ok.

Take this update alone and i will mark whats staying same..

"Minor and major incantations, are the only 2 schools a character with heavy armor can use spells from. Characters with medium armor will in addition to those two schools can use spells from witchcraft and spell chanting schools. Magic users, while not limited if they wear light armor, still need to choose their specific role- as opposing schools and attributes will affect their choices. Intelligence based casters will have Fire, Water, Air and Earth to choose from,"

So lets take magic schools :

Minor  incantation = Lesser magic, renamed

Major incantation = Greater magic, renamed

Witchcraft, sounds familiar

Spell chanting, sounds familiar,

Fire, remind me something

Water, hm also known i guess

Air, also very known

Earth, you get it ...

So six same schools in DF 2.0,  2 just renamed, 8  out of current 10 alone in magic.

PS : btw even the rules to armor restrictions / prestige specs  are in game right now. Melee specs that are now in game (destroyer) rule out  Fire, Water, Air and Earth like the the "Intel Prestige Title" will rule out in DF 2.0.. Not so different if you ask me.. 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by zephermarkus

if you were really playing it for the competition then a wipe woudn't bother u at all. U sound like one the zerg gankers to me!

I play MMORPGS because your progress get stored on the server else i would play FPS. I want my char to stay how i left him for my next gaming session. A very basic requirement for a MMORPG all MMORPG's fullfill without question. If for some reason i don't get my char like i left him the other day i want compensation and every MMORPG company  usually dont question this.

@caldrin Why is it that difficult for AV to come up with a stement  like

"you will keep everything what stays functional in DF 2.0"

and no they don't change everything, last update Tasos named some magic schools that stay for example, fire, water etc..

..since i can accept skills and items become absolet ...since they become so for EVERYONE..

But no..no information and AV ignores the wish of the community and their customers to clear this up..

You may want to ask SWg fans if mmo companies usually "compensate" you for changing your game on you......

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by zephermarkus

if you were really playing it for the competition then a wipe woudn't bother u at all. U sound like one the zerg gankers to me!

I play MMORPGS because your progress get stored on the server else i would play FPS. I want my char to stay how i left him for my next gaming session. A very basic requirement for a MMORPG all MMORPG's fullfill without question. If for some reason i don't get my char like i left him the other day i want compensation and every MMORPG company  usually dont question this.

@caldrin Why is it that difficult for AV to come up with a stement  like

"you will keep everything what stays functional in DF 2.0"

and no they don't change everything, last update Tasos named some magic schools that stay for example, fire, water etc..

..since i can accept skills and items become absolet ...since they become so for EVERYONE..

But no..no information and AV ignores the wish of the community and their customers to clear this up..

You may want to ask SWg fans if mmo companies usually "compensate" you for changing your game on you......

Remember how SWG's fate turned, after what $OE did there ?  Someone would think MMO companies didnt learned their lesson ..

read my sig..i WON OVER $OE muahahaha

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by zephermarkus

if you were really playing it for the competition then a wipe woudn't bother u at all. U sound like one the zerg gankers to me!

I play MMORPGS because your progress get stored on the server else i would play FPS. I want my char to stay how i left him for my next gaming session. A very basic requirement for a MMORPG all MMORPG's fullfill without question. If for some reason i don't get my char like i left him the other day i want compensation and every MMORPG company  usually dont question this.

@caldrin Why is it that difficult for AV to come up with a stement  like

"you will keep everything what stays functional in DF 2.0"

and no they don't change everything, last update Tasos named some magic schools that stay for example, fire, water etc..

..since i can accept skills and items become absolet ...since they become so for EVERYONE..

But no..no information and AV ignores the wish of the community and their customers to clear this up..

You may want to ask SWg fans if mmo companies usually "compensate" you for changing your game on you......

 

Remember how SWG's fate turned, after what $OE did there ?  Someone would think MMO companies didnt learned their lesson ..

No it didn't turn out good but it certainly didn't get companies to compensate players for changing the game and to be honest i don't think that would be a good idea anyway.  we are supposed to be playing for fun it's not like work or shouldn't be.

what i personally wish companies would do is explore the possibility of keeping atleast one server with the old rule set even if they refuse to update it from there.