Originally posted by FullLootPvp

if you are not playing, you got also no clue what's going on in DF currently...

just lets take one of the issues the game has since about 2 month, the server delay on EU.. and know lets adapt it to your glorious comparation....

imagine, you really love one tv series which is on air at one station only, it's the series you really love, you watch it since 2 years... now suddenly from one day to the next, you still see it on tv, but the audio is delayed, so you see the scene and hear the sound with a variable delay... sure you may continue to watch the series, but you will probably be really pissed off about the tv station when they are not able to fix the issue with their satellite connection.... now imagine that this continues 2 month...

if you can't imagine that, i suggest you take a movie of your choise and use a player with codecs where you may setup the audio stream timing (ie. ffdshow) and watch the movie with a 2 seconds deleay, afterwareds post how you liked it....

Oh...now I'm confused again. This is also a good point.

There was some insane cheating going on, too. This is very bad in a full-loot pvp game.

So....not having a crystal ball to accurately say the release date is considered lying these days?

Originally posted by Gdemami

So....not having a crystal ball to accurately say the release date is considered lying these days?

again someone who got no clue... just as examples:

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=308863&p=5291419

further if you refer about Darkfall 2010, aka Darkfall Arena, aka Darkfall 2.0... it's more like when you tell you almost all work is done, just missing some polishing.... then 3 months later they show you CONCEPT Art, so you may question, what was done? NOTHING.... thats lies, not about a date, even if annoucing something for August and then showing 8 seconds videoclips in december about nothing is, well... i suggest you look for a thread "broken promisses" on the forum... or if you like you may read all the AV messages yourself under

http://www.dfstuff.com/

$OE

Pretending to work  on  an update initially named like  "Combat upgrade and Rebalancing system" and even have Community representatives beta test it, they released  a by the community uncalled  for and not properly tested  "Combat Update" version that they pushed through the testserver in just 2 weeks.

and whats almost criminal behaviour (well without them offering refunds after the outcry it would be considered criminal)  was releasing a costly expansion that was nullified 2 weeks  later  after another  patch changed almost all in game mechanics and almost everything the expansion contained was useless.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

In a world which for the most part tells me exactly what to do , where to do it and how to dress while I am doing it for 40 hours of my life and for the rest of my hours in life provide me with a long series of boriing options of things to in addition to many things I would like to do I would have to ask the city permission to do and would likely be declined and finally with the limited options of DIFFERENT MMOs to play I am not about to not play the best MMO on the market because the company lies.

If I want to stand for sometimthing that involves me giving up something I enjoy I sure am going to select something far more important that a gaming company.

Try this formula.

Ignore everything and anything a game development company says to the point of maybe not even knowing who developed the game. Then, play the game you like and dont play the game you dont like.

 

I doubt when you watch TV you question the intergrity of the TV stations management do you?

^this :)

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

In a world which for the most part tells me exactly what to do , where to do it and how to dress while I am doing it for 40 hours of my life and for the rest of my hours in life provide me with a long series of boriing options of things to in addition to many things I would like to do I would have to ask the city permission to do and would likely be declined and finally with the limited options of DIFFERENT MMOs to play I am not about to not play the best MMO on the market because the company lies.

If I want to stand for sometimthing that involves me giving up something I enjoy I sure am going to select something far more important that a gaming company.

Try this formula.

Ignore everything and anything a game development company says to the point of maybe not even knowing who developed the game. Then, play the game you like and dont play the game you dont like.

 

I doubt when you watch TV you question the intergrity of the TV stations management do you?

What if we don't enjoy Darkfall in it's current state?

Not that I trust AV to make DF2.0 any more enjoyable, but I'm too tired of their piss-poor "updates" which are practically full of crap. I should stop following the blog for a couple of years but I just can't.

Originally posted by tom_gore

What if we don't enjoy Darkfall in it's current state?

 

 

Then you change the channel..

It is exactly as it is on TV. Dont like the show then your done, finished its over move on change the channel.

You dont change the channel and ALSO go to the library and do research on the business practices of the TV show you didnt like and then post how many the company is. Who does that?

no, at most you would just say 'your show s88ks!' and you would know if you started talking about the company itself people would just think your being silly.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

It is exactly as it is on TV. Dont like the show then your done, finished its over move on change the channel.

You dont change the channel and ALSO go to the library and do research on the business practices of the TV show you didnt like and then post how many the company is. Who does that?

no, at most you would just say 'your show s88ks!' and you would know if you started talking about the company itself people would just think your being silly.

Bad analogy.  If a TV station or newspaper has an article or story that has information that is incorrect, it is perfectly valid to pressure the organization for a retraction and correction.  In fact, many people actually do this.  Sitting by while less than truthful information gets presented is apathetic.  Now you may be right in that the majority is apathetic, but they are the ones who are silly.

Putting market pressure on a game company to be more forthcoming is fine, imo (i.e. through negative advertising).  In the case of AV, it's pretty clear they don't give a fuck either way...  you would need a complete boycott of the current game to get anything changed over there.  

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Originally posted by FullLootPvp

again someone who got no clue...

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Before you accuse someone of having no clue, you better understand what "lie" is...

Oh my . ... to be honest I feel that every company doesn't satisfy my needs in this way. Is honesty expecting too much? Well apparently it is when money and investors are involved but I do find that AV doesn't seem to worry about that as much as other companies and will talk about something even if it may lose subscriptions. If they flat-out lied without caring about the community than they would do things like say, 'No there will not be a wipe' . ... and then later on say, 'Unfortunately because of the new mechanics not compatible with the old, we will be wiping everything on the servers'. Its obvious that they won't lie to us for money because if they would than they could promise that there will be no wipe now (and then change their mind later). Withholding information is not lying. It seems like most of the hate is created from terrible ETAs (I work in IT too though with a small team and sometimes our ETAs are totally multiplied from different unforseen things that come up so I am a little more understanding than most) and also the fact that they haven't stated for sure whether or not there will be a wipe (but they already said that they are redoing the skills and that a wipe wouldn't matter so that works for me).

AV seems to make the mistake of talking about what they want to do or what they are dreaming of doing too much. People get excited and notice the potential and expect to get something that they have been dreaming about but then feel lied to if its not quite how they pictured or if AV abandoned the idea for some reason or another. Many of the things that people demand were already in the game before it was released but after testing and playing AV thought that it was a better choice to do it differently than the original intent. A good example would be NPC guards for player cities and death from fall damage and having no skill cap.

If you think about times before the game's beta when many people thought that the game was merely vaporware, how many people would say 'release it now! fix and add on later' if AV were to tell them that many of the features they have been working on are not ready to be implemented into the game yet? I know the answer to that . ... if they waited until they were done with prestige classes and NPC guards or what not than we may not have even had a game to begin with.

I am one of the few people who post here who loves AV. I love them more than other companies because they care about FFA PVP with full-loot more than most do. Most games do not care about PVP in the same way and most would never dare make a game that was this unforgiving. AV is fucking awesome in my book! I cannot tell you how many times I was disappointed in other companies for not focusing more on the PVP in their game or fixing things that were totally ruining it. Take the enchanted staff bug for example. If this happened in one of SOE's games than it would probably take them years to fix it . .... because they don't care about PVP like AV does! Its the same for most of those companies and they have money! AV doesn't have their money and still delivers more.

Have you even played other FFA PVP games? Most of the time its a PVE game that has a FFA PVP server which is pretty much ignored compared to the PVE servers. Don't even go into telling me that Shadowbane or something was able to deliver more .... you know its not true! The only exception is EVE and even that game was struggling during the first few years. Take a look at FE, Global Agenda, Warhammer, Age of Conan, etc. They don't really seem to have nearly as much potential as Darkfall and one of the biggest reasons for that which most of you will deny is that they aren't AV. Guildwars I was actually very happy with because of how fast they fix broken things in PVP when the game is mostly PVE but I mean WoW might be the same way? So there are companies that you can rely on more than AV but those companies have a lot more money and more importantly do not want the same things as me.

Oh and another thing that really screws AV is that they aim for a very hardcore player-base who have time to play a game a lot but cannot deliver new content fast enough to keep this crowd totally satisfied. I know a lot of people who would play this game if they had time too. I have always been behind hardcore gamers who don't have a job because I cannot play as much as them. Honestly I bet that one of the reasons that I still love Darkfall after almost 3 years of playing it is because I haven't burned myself out since I don't get a lot of time to play it. I would probably be a lot more anxious for an expansion if I have been playing everyday since release or even everyday all day for a few months. Unfortunately there are not many people out there like me who are satisfied with having 75 in most my skills while competing against people with 100. I win often enough that its really not a problem for me though . .. even on a fresh character. Darkfall is meant for hardcore players and the casual player doesn't get to be on top of the food chain as easily while hardcore players get burnt out from playing a video game too much.

this and many of these threads on "AV lies" and "CCP betrayed us" and "SOE ruined SWG" all of this falls back to you, the customer. Obviously venting your frustrating on a forum such as this is cathertic to you....but really YOU have the power. They don't.

I liked DF alot, played it for over a year. Disliked some things. I packed up and left. I liked some things about Age of Conan, disliked several things...i packed up and left. All of the bitching and moaning in the world doesn't do crap, particularly posting it here. Please make sure you post your displeasure as a complaint with AV, b/c ultimately they are the only ones who can fix it.

MMO's are run by companies that ultimately only care about money. Yes, some are better at providing customer service and other things, but it's about sales. If you don't understand that, you aren't living in reality.

Vote with your wallet. Don't like something...post one complaint on their official forums and see what happens. Don't like the answer? Cancel your sub. It's really as simple as that.

Move on to something else or go outside. Enjoy your day.

Originally posted by psykobilly

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

It is exactly as it is on TV. Dont like the show then your done, finished its over move on change the channel.

You dont change the channel and ALSO go to the library and do research on the business practices of the TV show you didnt like and then post how many the company is. Who does that?

no, at most you would just say 'your show s88ks!' and you would know if you started talking about the company itself people would just think your being silly.

 

Bad analogy.  If a TV station or newspaper has an article or story that has information that is incorrect, it is perfectly valid to pressure the organization for a retraction and correction.  In fact, many people actually do this.  Sitting by while less than truthful information gets presented is apathetic.  Now you may be right in that the majority is apathetic, but they are the ones who are silly.

Putting market pressure on a game company to be more forthcoming is fine, imo (i.e. through negative advertising).  In the case of AV, it's pretty clear they don't give a fuck either way...  you would need a complete boycott of the current game to get anything changed over there.  

 

 

 

 

 

A game is not news, its the entertaiment shows...

developers also dont post what they are doing INSIDE THE GAME!

the TV show = The game itself not the gaming website try to understand the difference.

Do you run off to the tv website reading what the producers say and then get ticked off and not watch the show anymore if they lie? or do you watch the show if you are having a good time and not watch the show if you are not having a good time.and just leave it at that?

That is what I thought.

People still debating this?

AV has lied from the start. They lied year after year to people about when it would be released and then they lied about what features would be in the game come release that still have not been put in. 

Feature complete! 

A fool and his money...

Originally posted by Domesto

People still debating this?

 

AV has lied from the start. They lied year after year to people about when it would be released and then they lied about what features would be in the game come release that still have not been put in. 

 

Feature complete! 

 

A fool and his money...

nobody cares..

play the game you like and dont play that game you dont like. Only fools listen to a developer team. production code is all that matters

Not sure about all the lying bs but I do know that AV is likely one of the worst dev teams around as far as communication goes. The way they treat their playerbase is the main reason I dont play anymore. I've no interest in giving a terribad dev team my money each month if they havent earned it. AV can fix their game and improve communication or they can suck my nuts lol 

Originally posted by Ethian

Not sure about all the lying bs but I do know that AV is likely one of the worst dev teams around as far as communication goes. The way they treat their playerbase is the main reason I dont play anymore. I've no interest in giving a terribad dev team my money each month if they havent earned it. AV can fix their game and improve communication or they can suck my nuts lol 

A lot of people say that and how I see it is this.

You: can play a game you like or you can play hello kitty online (at least this is how I see WoWLOTREQ2 and others.

Me: I am not about to stop playing a game I do like and start playing a game I dont like because some developer didnt tell me what he is doing this week.....oh hell no!

FunCom has turned lying into an artform.