Originally posted by Lawlmonster

You simply level everything, because that's what everyone else does, and to enter PvP without a character who's sufficiently capable with archery, magic, or melee is going to get yourself killed more times than not.

This sums up what is wrong with Darkfall imo.

So people (like myself) just don't like to be a magic user in any game. I like to roll a char that kills magic users using either range or melee.

It is not fun if I can't specialise and have an identity but instead have to be good at everything to compete - because in that case you feel the same as any other player who has the same setup. If that is the case, why play MMO? FPS have everyone's character on equal ground anyways - with the only difference between players is how long you've played :/

Money are number one enemy to the independent mmo developers thease days. MMOs sadly are very very expensive to be made and most of the cases games close, because they did not have enough money to finish the game, they rush it and they bankrupt after that, because ofcourse who would play bad unfinished game. 

A lot of people don't like the game because it looks cheap, again money problem. Not enough devs for game developing - guess what, money problem. 99% of the problems are based on money.

If combat was more like oblivion or skyrim and less like Morrorwind beta (animations,smoothness etc)

If macroing was out

If skills decay or cant get somehow max every skill to cap

Originally posted by Khealler

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by Loke666

DFs problem is really that it is buggy, badly coded and miss the polish of AAA MMOs. It also have badly dated graphics.

The rest of the game can be the best ever but most people can't really look past that. If the game had a great programmer and some better art it would be a lot more popular.

 For the life of me I cannot see how they could screw up the coding but they did.  UE3 engine is one of the best engines out there and still they mucked it up. 

 

DF has the most stable code of any indepedend developer title and in fact i did experience more crashes with $OE games then with DF.  Of course it makes a difference if you have 100 programmer working on bugs and polish or 10 or less like in case of  DF .

It is also factual wrong  about them using UE3 engine. They did code their own engine.

Their code is a mess:

1. Security is still a big issue. First day hacks are still being used!
2. Gamemasters can be detected by thirdparty software.
3. Player stat database can not be altered.
4. Devs can not change the most simple items, without risking to corrupt their entire database.
5. DF 2.0, why do they have to redo their own game if a normal patch or expansion could fix/improve things?
6. People still crash on serverlines.

 

Best of the independent studios? All studios started independent; Valve, CCP and even Blizzard.

 

1. A few days a go a ban wave hit the most "recent" hackers and hacks. "First day" hacks is a sure ban, if you don't believe try to teleport or speedhack and kiss your account goodbye.  Since security is a ongoing battle that never ends there will be new attempts of hackers but one thing is certain, there is no way  someone try a known hack and get away.

2. You refer to passive radar hack ?  Even these are detectable by AV and get people banned  at least you would have to use newest versions i don't know of  to get away.

3. How do you know of  internal data structure of DF.  Sources ? 

4. Again....Sources ?   It is in the nature of creating data structures and databases that tey are not easy to change without corrupting the whole data structure and every developer can assure you this. 

5. The  term "DF 2.0"  is more of a marketing stance if you ask me. But if you change the skill progression system, the weapon and armor functionality and introduce new armor types, char stats, char animations and even  change every world mob spawn and redesign every location and rebuild  the UI on top it could be even justifying the term  "DF 2.0".

6. Also people like me barely ever crash. Could be i am lucky  ? The server almost never crash, there is times they can crash and that times are around when new patches are implemented, beside those the server run very reliable. Most "crashes" that being reported are more of  routing issues between the client and the server but...  oh deer AV can't own the whole internetz and been responsible for every machine on the interwebz.

90% of people who are reading this would just love the experience of mailing me money. Dont be closed minded, dont say you wont like it till youve tried it at least once (10 or 15 dollars would do, but i wont get angry if you mail me larger sums)

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

Originally posted by Orious

After they get 2.0 out? :D

After 2.0 you won't need as many spells/skills used by everyone so my setting up your keyboard wouldn't matter as much.

 

Seriously though this game is really fun how it is once you have a good setup for it and once you get used to it you may find it much harder to log into other games because they don't have nearly as many buttons to press.

 

 

^ This is the funnest keyboard to use in my opinion.

Other games are so slow in comparison . ..

^^^Same keyboard im on and i love it for all my rpg's/mmo's. I have one like yours only with red directional keys(older model i think) and the merc z stealth with luminated keys.Its all Black but some of the keys are faded so i dont use it.

As Far as Darkfall goes i thought it seemed really fun but i didnt really play it that long. The people arent as big a pricks as most people would have you believe.I died in a goblin camp near one of the starter towns and while looting my stuff back a veteran player was kind enough to tell me to always loot the important stuff first(gold,resources,etc) since this is/was my first full loot pvp game. He could have easily jacked all my stuff and laughed just to be rude but it wasnt the case. There was also tons of people around helping protect/show people which ways to go. I might give it another run soon. All depends how other games are doing  and what im playing.

1) Put in a skill cap, force people to chose their roles, so that everyone isn't a fighter/mage/archer/healer

2) Get rid of full loot and adopt a system more like Shadowbane's where the gear you've equipped is safe from being looted however the gear/gold in your backback is fair game.

3) More ability to control risk, a la EVE, and make sure there's very real consequences for flagging as a murderer.

OP probably wouldn't like my version of DF very much.

I tried the trial, but I hated the UI, im sure I could of got use to it, but it just didn't grab me, and the UI probably made me cut it short.

I was also put off some, by all the macroing.

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

Originally posted by Orious

After they get 2.0 out? :D

After 2.0 you won't need as many spells/skills used by everyone so my setting up your keyboard wouldn't matter as much.

 

Seriously though this game is really fun how it is once you have a good setup for it and once you get used to it you may find it much harder to log into other games because they don't have nearly as many buttons to press.

 

 

^ This is the funnest keyboard to use in my opinion.

Other games are so slow in comparison . ..

I can't see using that keyboard layout on my gaming laptop.....  

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

Originally posted by Orious

After they get 2.0 out? :D

After 2.0 you won't need as many spells/skills used by everyone so my setting up your keyboard wouldn't matter as much.

 

Seriously though this game is really fun how it is once you have a good setup for it and once you get used to it you may find it much harder to log into other games because they don't have nearly as many buttons to press.

 

 

^ This is the funnest keyboard to use in my opinion.

Other games are so slow in comparison . ..

I can't see using that keyboard layout on my gaming laptop.....  

I can't take that serious. Gaming laptop? There's no such thing..

Gaming should be done on a stationary comp.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Khealler

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by Loke666

DFs problem is really that it is buggy, badly coded and miss the polish of AAA MMOs. It also have badly dated graphics.

The rest of the game can be the best ever but most people can't really look past that. If the game had a great programmer and some better art it would be a lot more popular.

 For the life of me I cannot see how they could screw up the coding but they did.  UE3 engine is one of the best engines out there and still they mucked it up. 

 

DF has the most stable code of any indepedend developer title and in fact i did experience more crashes with $OE games then with DF.  Of course it makes a difference if you have 100 programmer working on bugs and polish or 10 or less like in case of  DF .

It is also factual wrong  about them using UE3 engine. They did code their own engine.

Their code is a mess:

1. Security is still a big issue. First day hacks are still being used!
2. Gamemasters can be detected by thirdparty software.
3. Player stat database can not be altered.
4. Devs can not change the most simple items, without risking to corrupt their entire database.
5. DF 2.0, why do they have to redo their own game if a normal patch or expansion could fix/improve things?
6. People still crash on serverlines.

 

Best of the independent studios? All studios started independent; Valve, CCP and even Blizzard.

 

 

1. A few days a go a ban wave hit the most "recent" hackers and hacks. "First day" hacks is a sure ban, if you don't believe try to teleport or speedhack and kiss your account goodbye.  Since security is a ongoing battle that never ends there will be new attempts of hackers but one thing is certain, there is no way  someone try a known hack and get away.

2. You refer to passive radar hack ?  Even these are detectable by AV and get people banned  at least you would have to use newest versions i don't know of  to get away.

3. How do you know of  internal data structure of DF.  Sources ? 

4. Again....Sources ?   It is in the nature of creating data structures and databases that tey are not easy to change without corrupting the whole data structure and every developer can assure you this. 

5. The  term "DF 2.0"  is more of a marketing stance if you ask me. But if you change the skill progression system, the weapon and armor functionality and introduce new armor types, char stats, char animations and even  change every world mob spawn and redesign every location and rebuild  the UI on top it could be even justifying the term  "DF 2.0".

6. Also people like me barely ever crash. Could be i am lucky  ? The server almost never crash, there is times they can crash and that times are around when new patches are implemented, beside those the server run very reliable. Most "crashes" that being reported are more of  routing issues between the client and the server but...  oh deer AV can't own the whole internetz and been responsible for every machine on the interwebz.

1. Those are "Googled" hacks, used by obvious kids. Trust me when I say that certain old hacks are still working and used on a daily scale. I will not tell you who or what, but I still am speaking to people from my former alliance and former enemy alliances, and none of them have been banned.
2. Radar hack is still working and part of a combination not getting caught when GMs try to investigate.
3. GMs have confirmed this off the record, when they could not solve certain issues. Btw ever heard of rollback in stats for a single player/hacker/exploiter?
4. Again GMs confirmed this off the record. Plus common sense, how long does it take them to hotfix an issue? How long does it take to patch something? i still remember the serverwide character rollbacks, when things went a little bad.
5. Sure marketing, but also they have been working on DF 2.0 since the release of DF 1.0. They had to release due to financial troubles. You wont do that if you believe your current engine is the good enough.
6. A good work around is still to run the game on the lowest settings. Memory leaks are still a big issue. Try to run from east to west and see how many serverlines you can cross. Sure you can cross 3-7 without a problem... And yes they are responsible for the gaming rigs as they "recommend" a certain setup. Make sure the game run smooth for these machines or adjust your recommendations!

Originally posted by Claes

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

Originally posted by Orious

After they get 2.0 out? :D

After 2.0 you won't need as many spells/skills used by everyone so my setting up your keyboard wouldn't matter as much.

 

Seriously though this game is really fun how it is once you have a good setup for it and once you get used to it you may find it much harder to log into other games because they don't have nearly as many buttons to press.

 

 

^ This is the funnest keyboard to use in my opinion.

Other games are so slow in comparison . ..

I can't see using that keyboard layout on my gaming laptop.....  

I can't take that serious. Gaming laptop? There's no such thing..

Gaming should be done on a stationary comp.

Not if one wishes to stay married and keep gaming......

I cannot understand the keyboard thing because I want all my attacks on my right hand. I use my left for navigating. So having all the hotkeys on the left will throw me I therefore use a programmable mouse which allows me to use my right hand and thumb. I can block with the shift programmed to one of the mouse controls and about 10 programamble buttons do the trick. 

My left hand looks after wasd ,strafing and 1-3 buttons. This way I have 13 or so controls at the tip of both hands . Of course having to mouse turn too is a bit unwieldly but manageable.

AV could actually stop cheaters from playing the game.

Shit just kills a game like this and AV has no clue

Originally posted by Khealler

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Khealler

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by Loke666

DFs problem is really that it is buggy, badly coded and miss the polish of AAA MMOs. It also have badly dated graphics.

The rest of the game can be the best ever but most people can't really look past that. If the game had a great programmer and some better art it would be a lot more popular.

 For the life of me I cannot see how they could screw up the coding but they did.  UE3 engine is one of the best engines out there and still they mucked it up. 

 

DF has the most stable code of any indepedend developer title and in fact i did experience more crashes with $OE games then with DF.  Of course it makes a difference if you have 100 programmer working on bugs and polish or 10 or less like in case of  DF .

It is also factual wrong  about them using UE3 engine. They did code their own engine.

Their code is a mess:

1. Security is still a big issue. First day hacks are still being used!
2. Gamemasters can be detected by thirdparty software.
3. Player stat database can not be altered.
4. Devs can not change the most simple items, without risking to corrupt their entire database.
5. DF 2.0, why do they have to redo their own game if a normal patch or expansion could fix/improve things?
6. People still crash on serverlines.

 

Best of the independent studios? All studios started independent; Valve, CCP and even Blizzard.

 

 

1. A few days a go a ban wave hit the most "recent" hackers and hacks. "First day" hacks is a sure ban, if you don't believe try to teleport or speedhack and kiss your account goodbye.  Since security is a ongoing battle that never ends there will be new attempts of hackers but one thing is certain, there is no way  someone try a known hack and get away.

2. You refer to passive radar hack ?  Even these are detectable by AV and get people banned  at least you would have to use newest versions i don't know of  to get away.

3. How do you know of  internal data structure of DF.  Sources ? 

4. Again....Sources ?   It is in the nature of creating data structures and databases that tey are not easy to change without corrupting the whole data structure and every developer can assure you this. 

5. The  term "DF 2.0"  is more of a marketing stance if you ask me. But if you change the skill progression system, the weapon and armor functionality and introduce new armor types, char stats, char animations and even  change every world mob spawn and redesign every location and rebuild  the UI on top it could be even justifying the term  "DF 2.0".

6. Also people like me barely ever crash. Could be i am lucky  ? The server almost never crash, there is times they can crash and that times are around when new patches are implemented, beside those the server run very reliable. Most "crashes" that being reported are more of  routing issues between the client and the server but...  oh deer AV can't own the whole internetz and been responsible for every machine on the interwebz.

1. Those are "Googled" hacks, used by obvious kids. Trust me when I say that certain old hacks are still working and used on a daily scale. I will not tell you who or what, but I still am speaking to people from my former alliance and former enemy alliances, and none of them have been banned.
2. Radar hack is still working and part of a combination not getting caught when GMs try to investigate.
3. GMs have confirmed this off the record, when they could not solve certain issues. Btw ever heard of rollback in stats for a single player/hacker/exploiter?
4. Again GMs confirmed this off the record. Plus common sense, how long does it take them to hotfix an issue? How long does it take to patch something? i still remember the serverwide character rollbacks, when things went a little bad.
5. Sure marketing, but also they have been working on DF 2.0 since the release of DF 1.0. They had to release due to financial troubles. You wont do that if you believe your current engine is the good enough.
6. A good work around is still to run the game on the lowest settings. Memory leaks are still a big issue. Try to run from east to west and see how many serverlines you can cross. Sure you can cross 3-7 without a problem... And yes they are responsible for the gaming rigs as they "recommend" a certain setup. Make sure the game run smooth for these machines or adjust your recommendations!

Do not get me wrong, in potential Darkfall is a good game. The first 6 months was the best game experience so far. After that the design decisions, work arounds, bugs, exploits, hacks, harry potter online feel, took away the joy for me.

This guy actually knows what he is talking about.

1 & 2 are spot on.

Even after the "ban wave"  hacking is an everyday part of DF.  Pixel detection macros (drops spell on mouse over), radar hacks, lag switching etc.  It is clear AV isn't cabale of stopping them or they would have long ago.

Which completely ruins a certain percentage of the fun of the game.  A certain percentage of the fights you get in you cannot win when the other party is cheating.

OP is spot on. But I'm not sure if thats a indictment  of DF piss poor UI. A good autoIT script can make or break your pvp play.

But nobody mentioned the worst part of DF. How much ping effects your pvp and how bad the game engine allows it.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I can't see using that keyboard layout on my gaming laptop.....  

I can't take that serious. Gaming laptop? There's no such thing..

Gaming should be done on a stationary comp.

Not if one wishes to stay married and keep gaming......

You're doing it wrong,  as an example. what am I doing? Looking at forums, what is my better half doing? Playing Oblivion...

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Kyleran

I can't see using that keyboard layout on my gaming laptop.....  

I can't take that serious. Gaming laptop? There's no such thing..

Gaming should be done on a stationary comp.

Not if one wishes to stay married and keep gaming......

You're doing it wrong,  as an example. what am I doing? Looking at forums, what is my better half doing? Playing Oblivion...

I am definitely doing it wrong, but not for a want of trying to get my wife interested in gaming..... she just won't do it.

Addicted to TV....  sigh....

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Kyleran

I can't see using that keyboard layout on my gaming laptop.....  

I can't take that serious. Gaming laptop? There's no such thing..

Gaming should be done on a stationary comp.

Not if one wishes to stay married and keep gaming......

You're doing it wrong,  as an example. what am I doing? Looking at forums, what is my better half doing? Playing Oblivion...

I am definitely doing it wrong, but not for a want of trying to get my wife interested in gaming..... she just won't do it.

Addicted to TV....  sigh....

 

Ha!, yeah that can be worse than gaming addictions. I feel your pain.

Originally posted by CactusJack

if they would fix the goddamn bunnyhopping nonsense. Then I would resub tomorrow.  Localized banking would make traveling around require more forethought and with the amount of people playing now, that might not be a good thing.

DF has/had alot of promise, but that damn bunnyhopping shit is terrible.

Looking forward to what they implement in 2.0.

I do not understand why people would rather hit the auto-run key and wait as we do in other MMORPGs.

Don't you get bored of holding forward or waiting for your character to auto-run to your destination?

Originally posted by Kyleran

I can't see using that keyboard layout on my gaming laptop.....  

Yeah . ... I do not see a person enjoying this game nearly as much with a laptop.

Originally posted by stux

Originally posted by Khealler

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

1. A few days a go a ban wave hit the most "recent" hackers and hacks. "First day" hacks is a sure ban, if you don't believe try to teleport or speedhack and kiss your account goodbye.  Since security is a ongoing battle that never ends there will be new attempts of hackers but one thing is certain, there is no way  someone try a known hack and get away.

2. You refer to passive radar hack ?  Even these are detectable by AV and get people banned  at least you would have to use newest versions i don't know of  to get away.

1. Those are "Googled" hacks, used by obvious kids. Trust me when I say that certain old hacks are still working and used on a daily scale. I will not tell you who or what, but I still am speaking to people from my former alliance and former enemy alliances, and none of them have been banned.
2. Radar hack is still working and part of a combination not getting caught when GMs try to investigate.

This guy actually knows what he is talking about.

 

1 & 2 are spot on.

 

Even after the "ban wave"  hacking is an everyday part of DF.  Pixel detection macros (drops spell on mouse over), radar hacks, lag switching etc.  It is clear AV isn't cabale of stopping them or they would have long ago.

 

Which completely ruins a certain percentage of the fun of the game.  A certain percentage of the fights you get in you cannot win when the other party is cheating.

I've seen people lag switch when almost dead but I do not see an end-game character willing to risk doing that much as it doesn't make them play better as much as it helps them escape death when losing. I do not buy the pixel detection macro nonsense because even the best of the best miss their rays sometimes. If that is not the case than name a good player who uses it.

Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

Originally posted by Lawlmonster

You simply level everything, because that's what everyone else does, and to enter PvP without a character who's sufficiently capable with archery, magic, or melee is going to get yourself killed more times than not.

This sums up what is wrong with Darkfall imo.

So people (like myself) just don't like to be a magic user in any game. I like to roll a char that kills magic users using either range or melee.

It is not fun if I can't specialise and have an identity but instead have to be good at everything to compete - because in that case you feel the same as any other player who has the same setup. If that is the case, why play MMO? FPS have everyone's character on equal ground anyways - with the only difference between players is how long you've played :/

You can compete with blocking magic for melee/archery. During many of the team vs team PVP matches I have been in, the team with a couple destroyers won more often than not. Playing solo with them can be difficult though . .. especially against a good mage with infernal boots, helm, and gloves who can get up or away easily using stormblast/explosion but one of the best players on NA rolls destroyer. I actually prefer archery/melee myself and favor indesctructible a lot of the time because it seems to help me 1vs1 more than destroyer. A couple times I have seen a god-like toon come out of nowhere with leet armor that tore through mages easily.

Originally posted by tazarconan7

If combat was more like oblivion or skyrim and less like Morrorwind beta (animations,smoothness etc)

If macroing was out

If skills decay or cant get somehow max every skill to cap

Darkfall combat is dozens of times funner than any Elder Scrolls game . .. you can't even switch spells or weapons without getting out of combat in those games so not sure how that could be any funner. Totally boring compared to Darkfall's combat and there is also nothing to lose, no PVP, and the PVE is too easy in those games.

Originally posted by Yalexy

If it was only about the keys...

Lack of content is the main-reason why noone wants to play this game. And if I wanna play a shooter I can do so without a monthly sub.

And go away with your shitty keyboard and buy yourself an Ergodex DX-1, a Logitech G13 or a Razor Nostromo, if you wanna brag with your hardware.

There is nothing to lose in FPS games so no adrenaline rush but some have made me break a sweat before . ... battlefield 3 is totally awesome with the classes and stuff and is totally what I have been looking for but still cannot replace Darkfall as a main game because there is no risk and with the insta-spawn the battles do not feel as meaningful.

Those keyboards would not work with my setup. Not enough bottons and not as cool of a feel.