Originally posted by salenger

I'm sorry, but you are suffering from what is known as blind fanboism.  You vehimently protect your game even when it is near death.  You claim that it's our fault, you tell us not to play if we don't like it, you tell us that we are all carebears.  In the meantime, we offer you many suggestions and you outright refuse them at every turn.  Your mind-set is exactly what is killing your game.  You have no ability to compromise no matter what the situation is and it's downright silly in my opinion.

 

Change the wardecking feature to only allow war between two agreeing guilds.  Easy solution.  People DONT play Darkfall for PvP because people DONT play Darkfall, PERIOD.  That is the whole problem, yet you can't seem to grasp the concept.  The game will still be about PvP, just add other things to the game that encourage non-PvP activities and balance the grind by way of skill point/attribute caps.  This is not a difficult concept. 

 

I played UO for five years, so you can shelf the newbie to sandbox game bit.  I played before Trammel and took my lumps and gave them back.  Drop the hardcore elitest attitude, it has no place here.  Look at your game bro, it's dying and everyone knows it.  We offer solutions, you offer hate.  See the problem?

Wow, did i insult you or call you anything? no.

What you want is a game that is not Darkfall, keep an eye on Arche age and Gnostaria (i am closely watching this on), but Darkfall attracted its player base because of its open world pvp not because of people wanting a flagged pvp game, that makes no sense i played UO as well but it was an entirely different game you cannot compare apples to oranges.  Darkfall is meant to be pvp oriented not PVE...what your asking like i said is for a different game.  Im one of the players that has asked for many improvments to be made and AV has delivered on soem alignment system was changed, lawless/lawful areas implemented way harsher alignment penalty is now in place...

The game is so low im pop atm not due to people disliking the open world pvp but due to people getting bored that is plain  as day, i just dont see how you can rage on me cause i am disagreeing with you and this idea that will never happen or make sense to me or anyone that plays this game.  But again how long have you played this game? and if you would allow yourself the time to grow as a character youll get to the point where you will welcome the pvp at spawns cause it makes the game having the worry of being killed while farming is what makes Darkfall.

Okay dude, your game is near death because the sky is blue.  We'll just go with that, that's how much sense you're making and there's no point in even discussing this any further.  You even shoot down the idea of a new PvE server that in no way will affect the PvP server in any negative way.  That's not a problem with me, it's a problem with you and people like you.

Good luck, I hope you have a nice view.  It should be a good show watching DF implode and close the doors.

To the OP and the people who thinks this game will work fine in a PvE-Server: What are we supposed to tell these guys when the new PvE server comes in and every sheep is protected by a invisible armor of rulesets?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSo_wh-fMc&fmt=22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPQwfKzV4-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMR4PyqnMHw&fmt=22

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Jesus Christ do people still not grasp that the ffa pvp isn't the reason DF is dying on it's arse? Do people still not realise that DF is meant to be a heavily pvp centric game?

 

Darkfall could do with massive changes to it's grind/skill system. It could do with a hell of a lot more content shovelled into it. It could do with bug fixes and polish and a reworking of the pvp system in terms of "content" for higher skilled chatacters. It could even do with some form of npc protection around starter towns.

 

But no, a pve server for a fucking pvp centric game is a dumbass idea. I still can't quite believe that people are trying to advocate the idea, how can people fail to grasp that (it's a frigging pvp game) and that adding a pve server could well be a death blow to the pvp side of the game.

 

"Hurr but you would getz more monehs durr" Yes and you think all those new pve players on that shiny new pve server would be happy about their money being spent on pvp updates they would never see? Do you think the company would keep investing in it's original path or would it pander to it's new found cash cow? How can people not see the issues involved here?

 

Darkfall could do very well if it appeals to the PVP crowd, it just happens to balls that up for the main part.

Because focusing on PvP has done wonders for Darkfall.. right?

A PvE server was simply a suggestion.  Nearly every system within the game would have to be changed in order to NOT make that happen.  You can decide which is easier.  If Aventurine designed the game properly form the beginning., there wouldn't be a problem would there?

If that's what makes Darkfall and Darkfall is failing, then maybe it's time to reassess what Darkfall really is.

Darkfall is a PVP game if it fails it fails, it is not going to change....Darkfall 2.0 will tell the games future so many players have unsubbed until it comes out or until Aventurine decides 100% what is happening with the possible character wipe, AV's decisions is why Darkfall is so dead atm.

IDK im even have this converation if you dont like it, cant handle getting killed then the game is not for you dont expect a PVE server in your lifetime.

Okay dude, your game is near death because the sky is blue.  We'll just go with that, that's how much sense you're making and there's no point in even discussing this any further.  You even shoot down the idea of a new PvE server that in no way will affect the PvP server in any negative way.  That's not a problem with me, it's a problem with you and people like you.

 

Good luck, I hope you have a nice view.  It should be a good show watching DF implode and close the doors.

Sure thing, 

PVE server would attract no one. it would kill whatever is left of Darkfall and no one would play on it period, if it ever did happen you would be alone in a huge world pveing....which is the worst part of Darkfall.  but if you actually played more than 2 weeks you would get this.

Again answer my question how long have you played?  Just cause you dont like the game dont think that this stupid idea of a PVE server for a game that is advertised solely as a PVP game would work....Hell lets go make a BF2 PVE server....dumb idea.

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by bunnyhopper
 

Because focusing on PvP has done wonders for Darkfall.. right?

 

A PvE server was simply a suggestion.  Nearly every system within the game would have to be changed in order to NOT make that happen.  You can decide which is easier.  If Aventurine designed the game properly form the beginning., there wouldn't be a problem would there?

Focusing on pvp has not been an issue for the game... at all. Cocking up the implemention of the systems has been the issue. In a pvp centric game with ffa loot having a massively long grind is a balls up. Having no interesting higher end pvp is a balls up. Change those factors and all of a sudden you have more pvpers.

Adding a pve server and running two development lots is easier than simply adding npcs around cities and reducing the grind? I don't mean to cause offense but are you high on crack?

Yes talk of a pve server was merely a suggestion, a pretty badly thought out one in all fairness.

 

Because focusing on PvP has done wonders for Darkfall.. right?

 

A PvE server was simply a suggestion.  Nearly every system within the game would have to be changed in order to NOT make that happen.  You can decide which is easier.  If Aventurine designed the game properly form the beginning., there wouldn't be a problem would there?

Again i know 100% you have not played long so shut up already,  you dont have a clue about this game or how it works or how fun the pvp aspect an be your talking without any knowledge whatsoever.  Sure a PVE server suggestion is cool but when peopel give you feedback and you comeback with calling us fanbois ragers, etc playing a dead game so on i take offence, Darkfall for 2 years solid had a great population and if you actually knew a damn thing about the game is that 2/3 of the pop left when AV changed their tone on DF2010 and called it a new game with a possible character wipe on the way.

Give it up and go play a PVE game.

Originally posted by Lukooone

To the OP and the people who thinks this game will work fine in a PvE-Server: What are we supposed to tell these guys when the new PvE server comes in and every sheep is protected by a invisible armor of rulesets?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSo_wh-fMc&fmt=22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPQwfKzV4-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMR4PyqnMHw&fmt=22

 

Maybe they should have declared a guild war, like Zylaxx suggested?

I mean, if you really really need to go PK miners, bakers and herb gatherers that weren't geared for and likewise weren't looking for combat, then there's always a way to code that in or allow for it. Hell, in EVE, some players make killing in the "safe" zone an art form.

There are plenty of ways tor PVPers to engage in world-affecting wars without having to slaughter the PvE crowd in the process.

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Jesus Christ do people still not grasp that the ffa pvp isn't the reason DF is dying on it's arse? Do people still not realise that DF is meant to be a heavily pvp centric game?

 

Darkfall could do with massive changes to it's grind/skill system. It could do with a hell of a lot more content shovelled into it. It could do with bug fixes and polish and a reworking of the pvp system in terms of "content" for higher skilled chatacters. It could even do with some form of npc protection around starter towns.

 

But no, a pve server for a fucking pvp centric game is a dumbass idea. I still can't quite believe that people are trying to advocate the idea, how can people fail to grasp that (it's a frigging pvp game) and that adding a pve server could well be a death blow to the pvp side of the game.

 

"Hurr but you would getz more monehs durr" Yes and you think all those new pve players on that shiny new pve server would be happy about their money being spent on pvp updates they would never see? Do you think the company would keep investing in it's original path or would it pander to it's new found cash cow? How can people not see the issues involved here?

 

Darkfall could do very well if it appeals to the PVP crowd, it just happens to balls that up for the main part.

Because focusing on PvP has done wonders for Darkfall.. right?

 Ok, I'll try once more since people keep missing it somehow:

The game fails because its CRAP.

Thats it. The game is riddled with broken systems, malfunctioning rule-sets, bugs and non-existant features. From the start. Until present day. Aventurine seems to have "focused" on nothing... almost nothing has really improved from launch. Even most of the fans agree that the games real bane is Aventurine. Even just a skill cap that would take 2 months to reach, implemented from the START, and the game would have been in an entirely different situation now.

How people is going on about how the pvp ruined it is like someone complaining that the door to his new house is pink... when theres NO FREAKING ROOF on the damn thing.

A PvE server was simply a suggestion.  Nearly every system within the game would have to be changed in order to NOT make that happen.  You can decide which is easier.  If Aventurine designed the game properly form the beginning., there wouldn't be a problem would there?

Well, D'UH! Of course it would be a better game if it was a BETTER GAME (as in "not broken from the start 'til forever"), developed by people who werent INCOMPETENT.

As it is though: the ship has sailed, the bridge is burned, the cat is out of the bag, etcetra... Its dead, Jim. (Though Im still following it a bit: the shitstorm when "Darkfall 2.0" hits, if it ever does, will be horrendous to witness, mark my words.)

 

Candyland lol.

I actually play Warhammer, Rift on a PvP server and TF2 along with UO. The reason why i still play UO is because of the quality and depth of a Sand Box game.

I do not like Full Loot PvP games.

The reason why i care about Darkfall is because i would like to play it and enjoy another sandbox title. But only if there was not poorly design FFA full loot PvP.

In UO i still PvP quite a bit... I raid champ spawns, i war other guilds, we as a community organize PvP events all the time! It's called player made content and the ability to do what we want whenever we see fit the way we want to play(a true sandbox game).

As of right now i don't find Darkfall to be a very well made true Sandbox title, as it is now it's linear PvP themepark game.

If you do not like Full Loot PvP games as you said (and I certainly believe you) Then why would you care about Darkfall? why would that ever be on your radar?

Its very creation and purpose has always been FULL LOOT open world free for all PVP in the most extreme manner possible.

You wanting to change DF to be the opposite of what it was created for makes zero since. Your basically saying "I don't like that game at all, but if you completely change it to match the game I like, then I will like it, so please disregard the audience you created it for and complely change it to fit my preferance"

Anyways, I don't begrudge you your preferance in games, I am glad your happy with the current state of UO and all the other games you play, I simple would prefer that the people that don't like the type of game DF is, to continue playing the multitude of games they have at their disposal and stop trying to lobby for DF to be changed.

Originally posted by PhillipVIII

FFA PvP is a turn off to most gamers today.  We have to face the music.  They knew it, we knew it too.  There's no pride if game is gonna tank.

DF is not designed for MOST gamers. 

Nothing will pop... where are 3 pve giants comming next months (SWTOR,GW2,SW).

DF should just concentrate in keeping its outsider comminity happy.

Originally posted by Mari2k

Nothing will pop... where are 3 pve giants comming next months (SWTOR,GW2,SW).

DF should just concentrate in keeping its outsider comminity happy.

The full looters have their game!  The OP's suggestion would be the NGE of DF.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Lukooone

To the OP and the people who thinks this game will work fine in a PvE-Server: What are we supposed to tell these guys when the new PvE server comes in and every sheep is protected by a invisible armor of rulesets?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSo_wh-fMc&fmt=22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPQwfKzV4-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMR4PyqnMHw&fmt=22

 

 

Maybe they should have declared a guild war, like Zylaxx suggested?

I mean, if you really really need to go PK miners, bakers and herb gatherers that weren't geared for and likewise weren't looking for combat, then there's always a way to code that in or allow for it. Hell, in EVE, some players make killing in the "safe" zone an art form.

 

There are plenty of ways tor PVPers to engage in world-affecting wars without having to slaughter the PvE crowd in the process.

 

 

Rofl you didnt see the videos, right? They are alliance wars with some neutral people helping one side or another and hired mercenaries to defend cities!

You guys have no idea of what you are talking about... I doubt you ever played Darkfall outside your NPC capital/town, thats the problem, you played it but never saw the real game...

Originally posted by Quicksand

Candyland lol.

I actually play Warhammer, Rift on a PvP server and TF2 along with UO. The reason why i still play UO is because of the quality and depth of a Sand Box game.

I do not like Full Loot PvP games.

The reason why i care about Darkfall is because i would like to play it and enjoy another sandbox title. But only if there was not poorly design FFA full loot PvP.

In UO i still PvP quite a bit... I raid champ spawns, i war other guilds, we as a community organize PvP events all the time! It's called player made content and the ability to do what we want whenever we see fit the way we want to play(a true sandbox game).

As of right now i don't find Darkfall to be a very well made true Sandbox title, as it is now it's linear PvP themepark game.

If you do not like Full Loot PvP games as you said (and I certainly believe you) Then why would you care about Darkfall? why would that ever be on your radar?

 

Its very creation and purpose has always been FULL LOOT open world free for all PVP in the most extreme manner possible.

 

You wanting to change DF to be the opposite of what it was created for makes zero since. Your basically saying "I don't like that game at all, but if you completely change it to match the game I like, then I will like it, so please disregard the audience you created it for and complely change it to fit my preferance"

 

Anyways, I don't begrudge you your preferance in games, I am glad your happy with the current state of UO and all the other games you play, I simple would prefer that the people that don't like the type of game DF is, to continue playing the multitude of games they have at their disposal and stop trying to lobby for DF to be changed.

 

 

I understand now and your right... After getting a better understanding of the soul purpose of DF's existence i've come to the conclusion that a PvE or even a non full loot server has no bareing on the state of the game.

I would even say now that introducing a PvE server to a purely(at it's core) PvP game is a completly ridiculous idea...

I have seen the light...

But i will add you guys are an odd bunch. To only focus 100% of your time PvPing and full looting players in a Open World sand box MMO is very stange to me. Theres so much more to sandbox games then just looting people.

Why not play BF3?

What is it about looting a player that is so exciting? Theres so many games out there with territorial control and massive sieging of towns and bases.

Is Darkfall really in such bad shape that it might close down ? So why bother making these suggestions if it is doing fine ?

Originally posted by BlackUhuru

I have seen the light...

But i will add you guys are an odd bunch. To only focus 100% of your time PvPing and full looting players in a Open World sand box MMO is very strange to me. Theres so much more to sandbox games then just looting people.

Why not play BF3?

What is it about looting a player that is so exciting? Theres so many games out there with territorial control and massive sieging of towns and bases.

 

It's FFA PvP at core but usually FFA is more of a griefer's wet dream.  To add different servers mean people will go there and these can't gank anybody.  No more victims to go around as someone stated.  It's the bane of this type genre.

Originally posted by BlackUhuru

Originally posted by Quicksand

Candyland lol.

I actually play Warhammer, Rift on a PvP server and TF2 along with UO. The reason why i still play UO is because of the quality and depth of a Sand Box game.

I do not like Full Loot PvP games.

The reason why i care about Darkfall is because i would like to play it and enjoy another sandbox title. But only if there was not poorly design FFA full loot PvP.

In UO i still PvP quite a bit... I raid champ spawns, i war other guilds, we as a community organize PvP events all the time! It's called player made content and the ability to do what we want whenever we see fit the way we want to play(a true sandbox game).

As of right now i don't find Darkfall to be a very well made true Sandbox title, as it is now it's linear PvP themepark game.

If you do not like Full Loot PvP games as you said (and I certainly believe you) Then why would you care about Darkfall? why would that ever be on your radar?

 

Its very creation and purpose has always been FULL LOOT open world free for all PVP in the most extreme manner possible.

 

You wanting to change DF to be the opposite of what it was created for makes zero since. Your basically saying "I don't like that game at all, but if you completely change it to match the game I like, then I will like it, so please disregard the audience you created it for and complely change it to fit my preferance"

 

Anyways, I don't begrudge you your preferance in games, I am glad your happy with the current state of UO and all the other games you play, I simple would prefer that the people that don't like the type of game DF is, to continue playing the multitude of games they have at their disposal and stop trying to lobby for DF to be changed.

 

 

I understand now and your right... After getting a better understanding of the soul purpose of DF's existence i've come to the conclusion that a PvE or even a non full loot server has no bareing on the state of the game.

I would even say now that introducing a PvE server to a purely(at it's core) PvP game is a completly ridiculous idea...

I have seen the light...

But i will add you guys are an odd bunch. To only focus 100% of your time PvPing and full looting players in a Open World sand box MMO is very stange to me. Theres so much more to sandbox games then just looting people.

Why not play BF3?

What is it about looting a player that is so exciting? Theres so many games out there with territorial control and massive sieging of towns and bases.

 

THATS WHAT IM TALKINMG ABOUT!!!!!!

DF IS BROKEN!!!! I love PvP i love FFA Full LOOT but DF LACKS EVERYTHING ELSE and thats why I DONT PLAY IT and im sure many more too...

PVE wont make it better, Adding territory control sieging, bases or improving their half arsed system is what will bring people in

who cares about full loot by the time you are lvl 2 you will have 12 sets of the armor you just lost...

ist not world of warcraft raiding AH economy, we are talking about  player run economy here....(another thing DF should improve on to make me play it)

I understand now and your right... After getting a better understanding of the soul purpose of DF's existence i've come to the conclusion that a PvE or even a non full loot server has no bareing on the state of the game.

I would even say now that introducing a PvE server to a purely(at it's core) PvP game is a completly ridiculous idea...

I have seen the light...

But i will add you guys are an odd bunch. To only focus 100% of your time PvPing and full looting players in a Open World sand box MMO is very stange to me. Theres so much more to sandbox games then just looting people.

Why not play BF3?

What is it about looting a player that is so exciting? Theres so many games out there with territorial control and massive sieging of towns and bases.

 

Your sarcasim aside, its not the ganking and full looting other players that draws most of us, its the threat of it happening to you while your gaming, Thats what I love about DF the most, the non stop threat at any and every turn. And more enjoyable than the threat, is when someone trys to gank you and you win the fight and they lose everything!

If you don't know the thrill I am talking about then DF is simply not for you, there are some folks that just want to grief people, but now and then, while your out hunting orcs or whatever, and you see a shimmer of light off in the distance, maybe a players armor reflecting the moon light, just for a moment... Then you have to stop what your doing and go and investigate just on the off chance its a ganker, then when you meet up face to face with someone you dont know... Is he about to attack, is he waiting for you to attack... then finally you both realize your both just hunting so you group up ....

Man, I don't know how to explain it if you dont get it. Just leave DF to us oddballs and play any of a hundred other choices you have.

I am not mad at you for not seeing what I see or liking what I like, but I dont want to change whatever game you play, Leave DF alone. Please!

Full loot pvp is hardly the reason I choose not to resub (and I have given it serious thought lately). I lost so many mats and items to gankers hanging around alfar starting area's that after a few times it becomes a non-issue and you learn not to carry what you can't afford to loose. For me it's the mountain of skill ups I'd be facing going back to DF, not to mention the farming of mats to skill up with.

And yes I understand it's a bit better than it used to be. The way I see it, it's still not worth a sub until the skill system is revamped.