http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-12-darkfall-2-0-may-wipe-current-characters

Internet whispers suggest Aventurine will make Darkfall 2.0 free-to-play. Current Darkfall players will not have to pay for Darkfall 2.0, promised Flambouras, and those loyal fans will also be invited to test Darkfall 2.0 as well as conclude Darkfall 1.0.

Listen, DF will never go F2P. There's a 15 day trial, one time per IP. Try the trial. If you dont like it, dont ever expect DF to be free. So either try it again by swithcing IP or buying it, or face the fact that DF is simply not for you.

Im not mad, its just funny to see how Eurogamer website hate DF. 1st, 2/10 review. Then 4/10 review. These reviewrs are some wow players so they dont deserve DF anyway.

For those who dont know, this is a news reporter tacitc. They cant express their opinion so they use random ppl to voice their opinion for them. They pick up the one they want to most and there you go. I just dont know what Eurogamer got against DF, but its just funny to see how much they hate that game.

Yeh....ummmm...don't say "never".

Pretty much every other game is going F2P.....F2P Darkfall probably isn' t far away...especially if DF2 doesn't bring more players.

Originally posted by japo

Yeh....ummmm...don't say "never".

 

Pretty much every other game is going F2P.....F2P Darkfall probably isn' t far away...especially if DF2 doesn't bring more players.

The reason why other mmo's go F2p, its because there's already wow. Every mmo are pretty much like wow. Like we always say, dont try to fix it when its not broken. Instead, they try to cpoy pass and make it better . They fail and go F2P afterwards.

As for Darfkall, there's nothing like that game. There's probably only 2 fps mmorpg with open world full loot conquest pvp. Thats why we got a strong player base from old school games like Ultima online. Even me, my 1st mmorpg was wow and when i found out about DF, i coulndt get off that game because of how fun it is. So yeah, our loyal fans like the game enough to stay.

DF wont go F2P, you can be sure of that. AV dont even advertis their, so they can make some profit from the low community left. So many of our loyal fans got more then 2 acounts too.

darkfall wont go f2p....

the reason we wont have to pay for df2 is because its just an expansion coupled with a relaunch and hopefully a boxed release to bring in more players

There is no way to make DF free to play without screwing it up.  Item shop in a full loot game? Heh...

Another piece of misinformation spread by  this trashzine.

Who remember that review eurotrashsite did, and do you believe these themepark lovers?

From beginning most sites try mash down Darkfall so far they all failed(including all trolls/haters) and eurotrash should stick to there crappy themeaparks instead making claims they can't prove.

They hate games like Darkfall why do they care even?

There bunch of clowns who dont know shit about Darkfall.

Originally posted by 2can

darkfall wont go f2p....

 

the reason we wont have to pay for df2 is because its just an expansion coupled with a relaunch and hopefully a boxed release to bring in more players

Boxes version would be awesome to have Darkfall in my collections of other gameboxes.

Eurogamer just does bad reviews.  They seem to review games like they are a fine wine or cheese harping on idiotic pompous abstract points.

DF won't be going Free to Play.

Eurogamer is one of the worst review websites there is.

Originally posted by gotha

Eurogamer just does bad reviews.  They seem to review games like they are a fine wine or cheese harping on idiotic pompous abstract points.

They actually do review games like they would actually deserve being called an art form. There is already a great(ish) number of sites doing the reviews where praise is the only mode of writing. That is in layman's terms called advertising. Hence, if you wish to find out why you are an intelligent fellow for playing a given game, then look no further than IGN. Too bad that they will give similar praise to that other game you despise.

If you look at the original Eurogamer review of Darkfall you do actually realise that it does stress quite a number of those shortcomings that the game ran into. Ed Zitron wrote: "You see, everything in Darkfall is based on attrition. You slowly but surely gain stats in everything as you do it, ranging from running to wood-chopping to sword-fighting to spell-casting. This sounds as if it would make for an incredibly individual and adaptable experience, but the lacklustre presentation of the game melds with the tortoise-slow skill-up speed to make the experience quintessentially painful."

And he continues with nearly Nostradamian statement. "Many avid fanboys defend Darkfall by saying that it's 'just not made for the average or casual player'. In reality, this is just an excuse for Aventurine's inability to create a balanced, playable game. When I swing a sword, I want to be able to hit something. When I start my first quest, I don't want a three-minute run to kill goblins, only to get killed by a six-foot wolf called BarBArIaX WooFKilLer. If you give me a sandbox, by God, give me something to play with in it.

I genuinely wish that this was a case of me not getting what Darkfall is trying to do. Sadly, it's all too obvious. Its skill system is like a twisted version of EVE Online's, without the intricacy or CCP's talent. Its mise-en-scène is somewhere between the grittiness of Conan and WAR's orcs and humans. Underneath the lack of originality, there's a hole where the game should be: a loose, incongruous mess of bad controls, horrible user interface, and broken combat system."

It does actually appear that all the bemoaning of inaccuracies and lack of playtime by Mr Zitron are clouded by the dark shadow of his clairvoyance. He was able to see past the lacklustre systems and stories of grandeur and review the game for what it was worth. Sure, he did not find the way to hide the UI to take screenshots nor a way to quickly change his weapons around but he sure was clever enough to figure out that the game was and, to an extent, is a mess. Silly thing. In all his pompousiness he managed to be tenfolds the reviewer than the rest of the pack.

Hark, this is your problem and eurogamer's problem. You just cant get pass the bad part of DF that is the start of the game. The worst thing is, what you hate is what we like. Dont call me a fan boy just because i like a diferent type of game. I dont consider DF to be like any other mmprg on the market. In fact, this game mostly attract fps competitive gamers while ed is from wow.

The stuff you dont even praise is:

FPS, open world pvp full loot, conquest, boats, 0 instances...

Ed zitron could not talk about these stuff because he was still naked when he was done. He only used 9 hour + time wasted during character creation. There's no way you can review an mmorpg in 9 hour, its not even a full trial.The gui is indeed bad, but with time, it becomes bearable. In the longrun, you just cant recall how bad it was if you use the proper tools too.

If you complain because you get kill at the goblin, you are probably doing something wrong. By simply asking questions, you can get some good advice to not do the same obvious mistakes. Thats how you can keep going in DF. Bank often was one of them. Jon a clan early and more.

The problem with the Eurogamer review was not the tone or opinion, but that it was factually incorrect.  They simply made stuff up.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-12-darkfall-2-0-may-wipe-current-characters

Internet whispers suggest Aventurine will make Darkfall 2.0 free-to-play. Current Darkfall players will not have to pay for Darkfall 2.0, promised Flambouras, and those loyal fans will also be invited to test Darkfall 2.0 as well as conclude Darkfall 1.0.

 

Listen, DF will never go F2P. There's a 15 day trial, one time per IP. Try the trial. If you dont like it, dont ever expect DF to be free. So either try it again by swithcing IP or buying it, or face the fact that DF is simply not for you.

Im not mad, its just funny to see how Eurogamer website hate DF. 1st, 2/10 review. Then 4/10 review. These reviewrs are some wow players so they dont deserve DF anyway.

For those who dont know, this is a news reporter tacitc. They cant express their opinion so they use random ppl to voice their opinion for them. They pick up the one they want to most and there you go. I just dont know what Eurogamer got against DF, but its just funny to see how much they hate that game.

Haha. Maybe they just think the game is lacking. 

Originally posted by Harkkum

Originally posted by gotha

Eurogamer just does bad reviews.  They seem to review games like they are a fine wine or cheese harping on idiotic pompous abstract points.

They actually do review games like they would actually deserve being called an art form. There is already a great(ish) number of sites doing the reviews where praise is the only mode of writing. That is in layman's terms called advertising. Hence, if you wish to find out why you are an intelligent fellow for playing a given game, then look no further than IGN. Too bad that they will give similar praise to that other game you despise.

If you look at the original Eurogamer review of Darkfall you do actually realise that it does stress quite a number of those shortcomings that the game ran into. Ed Zitron wrote: "You see, everything in Darkfall is based on attrition. You slowly but surely gain stats in everything as you do it, ranging from running to wood-chopping to sword-fighting to spell-casting. This sounds as if it would make for an incredibly individual and adaptable experience, but the lacklustre presentation of the game melds with the tortoise-slow skill-up speed to make the experience quintessentially painful."

And he continues with nearly Nostradamian statement. "Many avid fanboys defend Darkfall by saying that it's 'just not made for the average or casual player'. In reality, this is just an excuse for Aventurine's inability to create a balanced, playable game. When I swing a sword, I want to be able to hit something. When I start my first quest, I don't want a three-minute run to kill goblins, only to get killed by a six-foot wolf called BarBArIaX WooFKilLer. If you give me a sandbox, by God, give me something to play with in it.

I genuinely wish that this was a case of me not getting what Darkfall is trying to do. Sadly, it's all too obvious. Its skill system is like a twisted version of EVE Online's, without the intricacy or CCP's talent. Its mise-en-scène is somewhere between the grittiness of Conan and WAR's orcs and humans. Underneath the lack of originality, there's a hole where the game should be: a loose, incongruous mess of bad controls, horrible user interface, and broken combat system."

It does actually appear that all the bemoaning of inaccuracies and lack of playtime by Mr Zitron are clouded by the dark shadow of his clairvoyance. He was able to see past the lacklustre systems and stories of grandeur and review the game for what it was worth. Sure, he did not find the way to hide the UI to take screenshots nor a way to quickly change his weapons around but he sure was clever enough to figure out that the game was and, to an extent, is a mess. Silly thing. In all his pompousiness he managed to be tenfolds the reviewer than the rest of the pack.

UUUMMMM????  Most of what you call review as art is a general layman observations lingustially fluffed up.   A lot like your post.  Many people agreed with observation of game it was his ignorance of the systems other aspects that flush him down the tubes as a crap reviewer.

And nostradomous and eurogamer is a nice comparison.  

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Hark, this is your problem and eurogamer's problem. You just cant get pass the bad part of DF that is the start of the game. The worst thing is, what you hate is what we like. Dont call me a fan boy just because i like a diferent type of game. I dont consider DF to be like any other mmprg on the market. In fact, this game mostly attract fps competitive gamers while ed is from wow.

The stuff you dont even praise is:

FPS, open world pvp full loot, conquest, boats, 0 instances...

First I have to remind that I was simply trying to point out that much of the animosity against Eurogamer is tad ill-founded. On the merits of the game, I guess that I can agree that there is no lacking courage on Aventurine for trying to fulfill their vision. Nonetheless, I have said quite a few times on this forum as well, that as it currently stands there are better FPS games and better RPG games and the amalgam that is Darkfall does not entice me.

Also, it is somewhat simplistic to state that a dislike of the core design would be a hatred towards the type of gaming. At no point did I refer to any of you as a fanboy or anything like, the sole reference to fans being made by Mr Zitron whom I quoted. His argument actually was just the one you are posting: "I am not the one who should be playing this game. I am doing it all wrong if I fail to enjoy it." However, I do like FPS and I do like RPG and the most I would love to play a sandbox MMO with an FPS combat-system. Too bad what Darkfall has to offer is falling short from my expectations, be they unrealistic or not.

And the reasons I find Darkfall lying somewhere south of my expectations echo those concerns raised by Mr Zitron on his review. The game does feel more like a chore or a tedious exercise in dullness. The only advantage joining a guild does provide is a chance to participate somewhat more on the PvP (if you're lucky), but as that PvP is not as enthralling as what you can find from pure FPS games it does not salvage the game.

I'll promise to try the game once again when they finally release DF 2.0, but if the ruleset will remain the same even after the release of this shinier version of Darkfall, I am relatively certain that the new dungeons and prettier armours won't keep me interested and everything else is still offly vague.

We also read around the Internet about Darkfall going free-to-play: Rumor has it that if you start a sentence with “rumor has it…” you can say pretty much anything you want. Not true.

http://www.darkfallonline.com/blog/update-and-qa/

Eurogamer is a trash website.  They trash everything possible to get people to talk about how bad they are so they get more visits and ad money.  The vocal minority is always the loudest.  Its win win for them.

Originally posted by Harkkum

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Hark, this is your problem and eurogamer's problem. You just cant get pass the bad part of DF that is the start of the game. The worst thing is, what you hate is what we like. Dont call me a fan boy just because i like a diferent type of game. I dont consider DF to be like any other mmprg on the market. In fact, this game mostly attract fps competitive gamers while ed is from wow.

The stuff you dont even praise is:

FPS, open world pvp full loot, conquest, boats, 0 instances...

First I have to remind that I was simply trying to point out that much of the animosity against Eurogamer is tad ill-founded. On the merits of the game, I guess that I can agree that there is no lacking courage on Aventurine for trying to fulfill their vision. Nonetheless, I have said quite a few times on this forum as well, that as it currently stands there are better FPS games and better RPG games and the amalgam that is Darkfall does not entice me.

Also, it is somewhat simplistic to state that a dislike of the core design would be a hatred towards the type of gaming. At no point did I refer to any of you as a fanboy or anything like, the sole reference to fans being made by Mr Zitron whom I quoted. His argument actually was just the one you are posting: "I am not the one who should be playing this game. I am doing it all wrong if I fail to enjoy it." However, I do like FPS and I do like RPG and the most I would love to play a sandbox MMO with an FPS combat-system. Too bad what Darkfall has to offer is falling short from my expectations, be they unrealistic or not.

And the reasons I find Darkfall lying somewhere south of my expectations echo those concerns raised by Mr Zitron on his review. The game does feel more like a chore or a tedious exercise in dullness. The only advantage joining a guild does provide is a chance to participate somewhat more on the PvP (if you're lucky), but as that PvP is not as enthralling as what you can find from pure FPS games it does not salvage the game.

I'll promise to try the game once again when they finally release DF 2.0, but if the ruleset will remain the same even after the release of this shinier version of Darkfall, I am relatively certain that the new dungeons and prettier armours won't keep me interested and everything else is still offly vague.

Of course an FPS game is gonna be better then darkfall on the FPS aspect. FPS games use small maps, instant pvp, not more then 8vs8 for the majority of them while DF can hangle 100vs100. FPS games to me personally, they get old after an hour of gameplay i give up on them sooner then expected. They specially start becoming boring when you max out their progression system since the game becomes more easy then ever.

As for the RPG, you dont get what DF is trying to be. As a sandbox mmorpg, the players are the one making the stories. You shouldnt be guided by quests. Sandbox are not known for having a good lore, linken quests and stuff that the developers expect every single player to do like in an amusemant park. They are known for the unpredictable random factor that makes everyday gameplay different everytime. In other words, sandbox never ends while mmorpg like wow, once you are done with all the raids, there's nothing to do untill the next patch. When you got the best gears in game, there's no point to keep playing.

Yes, i understand that darkfall is lacking. What you dont understand and what the eurogamer reviewers dont get is, you shouldnt review a niche game with a small amount of developers + low resource the same way you would review a mainstream mmorpg. While a niche game needs time to get everything in place before advertising, a mainstream one will always try to be perfect for the launch day. In fact, darkfall 2.0 is gonna be a relaunch. When darkfall 1st launched, it was a pay to play beta and the worst launch ever. They just didnt have enough resource to keep going and they use to delay way too much time. Most players left and came back later because we all knew it would take so long to fix the game, but we had faith on them unlike eurogamers that thinks a niche game will never become good one day. I dont even expect them to do a 3rd review since they dont even care.

Its your choice to play darkfall like doing a chore. You are not forced to do some of these tedious things. If you hate the grind, you can simply chose to play as a destroyer. They got few skills to raise and all you need is quickness and VIT with them. 2 stats only. Archery is the fastest skill to raise. You can kill a vet with that only if you can kite well. If you hate mining, logging and overall crafting, skip them. I dont even do that myself. even before destroyers existed, players who hated the grind would go full on melee archery. They would simply work on getting their gears to go pvp early.

Anyway, for 2.0, i hope you will like the game. My 1st mmorpg was wow and i left DF after 3 days only. It took me sometime to like darkfall. I watched some end game pvp videos, thats where i wanted to be to have fun and it is fun as hell. Thats why i keep playing that game.

Originally posted by Harkkum

Originally posted by gotha

Eurogamer just does bad reviews.  They seem to review games like they are a fine wine or cheese harping on idiotic pompous abstract points.

They actually do review games like they would actually deserve being called an art form. There is already a great(ish) number of sites doing the reviews where praise is the only mode of writing. That is in layman's terms called advertising. Hence, if you wish to find out why you are an intelligent fellow for playing a given game, then look no further than IGN. Too bad that they will give similar praise to that other game you despise.

If you look at the original Eurogamer review of Darkfall you do actually realise that it does stress quite a number of those shortcomings that the game ran into. Ed Zitron wrote: "You see, everything in Darkfall is based on attrition. You slowly but surely gain stats in everything as you do it, ranging from running to wood-chopping to sword-fighting to spell-casting. This sounds as if it would make for an incredibly individual and adaptable experience, but the lacklustre presentation of the game melds with the tortoise-slow skill-up speed to make the experience quintessentially painful."

And he continues with nearly Nostradamian statement. "Many avid fanboys defend Darkfall by saying that it's 'just not made for the average or casual player'. In reality, this is just an excuse for Aventurine's inability to create a balanced, playable game. When I swing a sword, I want to be able to hit something. When I start my first quest, I don't want a three-minute run to kill goblins, only to get killed by a six-foot wolf called BarBArIaX WooFKilLer. If you give me a sandbox, by God, give me something to play with in it.

I genuinely wish that this was a case of me not getting what Darkfall is trying to do. Sadly, it's all too obvious. Its skill system is like a twisted version of EVE Online's, without the intricacy or CCP's talent. Its mise-en-scène is somewhere between the grittiness of Conan and WAR's orcs and humans. Underneath the lack of originality, there's a hole where the game should be: a loose, incongruous mess of bad controls, horrible user interface, and broken combat system."

It does actually appear that all the bemoaning of inaccuracies and lack of playtime by Mr Zitron are clouded by the dark shadow of his clairvoyance. He was able to see past the lacklustre systems and stories of grandeur and review the game for what it was worth. Sure, he did not find the way to hide the UI to take screenshots nor a way to quickly change his weapons around but he sure was clever enough to figure out that the game was and, to an extent, is a mess. Silly thing. In all his pompousiness he managed to be tenfolds the reviewer than the rest of the pack.

All Eddieboy did was to take a day off to  drink beer and scam eurogamer of money pretending to "work".

He then give a misinformed biased write up that was filled even with factual errors.

See i play  this game almost since almost launch. Turned out Eddieboy can't play such games probably he lacks mental capabilities or i don't know why else  DF can cause him that headache  he obviously had trying to figure out how to even run.

To me it looks like as if a disabled person would try to do something HIS way, fail and then moan about how something is broken because a healthy and normal person succeeds.  

Originally posted by Harkkum

Originally posted by gotha

Eurogamer just does bad reviews.  They seem to review games like they are a fine wine or cheese harping on idiotic pompous abstract points.

They actually do review games like they would actually deserve being called an art form. There is already a great(ish) number of sites doing the reviews where praise is the only mode of writing. That is in layman's terms called advertising. Hence, if you wish to find out why you are an intelligent fellow for playing a given game, then look no further than IGN. Too bad that they will give similar praise to that other game you despise.

If you look at the original Eurogamer review of Darkfall you do actually realise that it does stress quite a number of those shortcomings that the game ran into. Ed Zitron wrote: "You see, everything in Darkfall is based on attrition. You slowly but surely gain stats in everything as you do it, ranging from running to wood-chopping to sword-fighting to spell-casting. This sounds as if it would make for an incredibly individual and adaptable experience, but the lacklustre presentation of the game melds with the tortoise-slow skill-up speed to make the experience quintessentially painful."

And he continues with nearly Nostradamian statement. "Many avid fanboys defend Darkfall by saying that it's 'just not made for the average or casual player'. In reality, this is just an excuse for Aventurine's inability to create a balanced, playable game. When I swing a sword, I want to be able to hit something. When I start my first quest, I don't want a three-minute run to kill goblins, only to get killed by a six-foot wolf called BarBArIaX WooFKilLer. If you give me a sandbox, by God, give me something to play with in it.

I genuinely wish that this was a case of me not getting what Darkfall is trying to do. Sadly, it's all too obvious. Its skill system is like a twisted version of EVE Online's, without the intricacy or CCP's talent. Its mise-en-scène is somewhere between the grittiness of Conan and WAR's orcs and humans. Underneath the lack of originality, there's a hole where the game should be: a loose, incongruous mess of bad controls, horrible user interface, and broken combat system."

It does actually appear that all the bemoaning of inaccuracies and lack of playtime by Mr Zitron are clouded by the dark shadow of his clairvoyance. He was able to see past the lacklustre systems and stories of grandeur and review the game for what it was worth. Sure, he did not find the way to hide the UI to take screenshots nor a way to quickly change his weapons around but he sure was clever enough to figure out that the game was and, to an extent, is a mess. Silly thing. In all his pompousiness he managed to be tenfolds the reviewer than the rest of the pack.

Its obvious all who want casual and easy gameplay will agree with ed eurotrash zitron and thats main reason why so many players avoid the game or talk shite about it and developers have dumb down the game alot.

Sinds last 6 years all you gamers want a easy walk in the park. ED was totally wrong with his review he just like themeparks and hate indie sandbox games specially with hardcore gameplay and free for all pvp.

I still disagree with all ED and you say about Darkfall i enjoy Beta and the launch early months alot sure was hard and slow but thats what i wanted a hardcore game for true PVP lovers of sandbox mmo that majority did not like it becouse many came from games like WoW lol you should all have stayed away and leave this game to those who like such games.