Again some of the best players don't use scripts and many decent players don't. You don't have to have scripts to be good, only players who are bad try to pin the blame on something - anything.

Ray scripts, most people don't spam several rays, useless script if you only use impale or pungent.

360 script, most top players have very high DPI and can turn around with a flick of the mouse.

Sword and shield script is always going to be a useful one but lets face it, you can do the same in two click or block with a 2h.

Summary - Scripts don't make players good, they merely allow them to press fewer buttons for ray spam.

rolf... this post is just laughable..

Half of posters in this thread, accoroding to the content of the poster, either don't play darkfall or tried the trial for 3/4 days and are keep bumpin the forums, darkfall sucks blabla no skill whatever..

Darkfall is skill player based.. END OF STORY

Players set up there own bindings ( + autohotkey) to fit there needs ( this is compleetly your own choice. some people don't use script's and get along fine, others needs scripts to get better experience.)

Armor is maybe 20% of the dmg reduction or whatever

There are players ingame don't ever wear any kind of armor and still kill every one around.

people can wear full infernal set or dragon and get killed by a player in robe..

Everything is possible in this game

Players like awesomefusion are rare ingame.. he is a really good pvp'er but he ain't the only one ingame.

AND As i already posted in another thread:

Poeple who try it out and can't kill goblins or don't know what to do just quit the game and start bashing the forums..

darkfall ain't easy mode simple is that. you  can not get a good experience by trying the trial for 10 days!! darkfall have alot  more to offer.

Teh danger of darkfall:
 

Once you have the darkfall experience and are hooked to the combat. there is no turning back. All the others mmo's out there are just dull and not  enjoyable anymore.

Darkfall problem is atm. there alot of trial's going on but not many players are subbing for it because of failure of info

Start naked, no direction etc..

TIP to the curieus: don't give up to fast. 10 days ain't an experience sub the game join a friendly clan and get your adventure.

Originally posted by Greymoor

Again some of the best players don't use scripts and many decent players don't. You don't have to have scripts to be good, only players who are bad try to pin the blame on something - anything.

Ray scripts, most people don't spam several rays, useless script if you only use impale or pungent.

360 script, most top players have very high DPI and can turn around with a flick of the mouse.

Sword and shield script is always going to be a useful one but lets face it, you can do the same in two click or block with a 2h.

Summary - Scripts don't make players good, they merely allow them to press fewer buttons for ray spam.

i don't know witch people your refearing to, and its the other way around many people uses scripts, the people who don't afk grind or use scripts are the minority...

after how many year's their finnaly doing something for non macroers but why is 1 hander and shield still on 2 different bouttons. 

if people wanna compare it to something think off how much macros (= scripts in DF) helped play your character in world of warcraft. its no different then darkfall. you not gonna suffer much being a destroyer, magekiller without scripts but going hybrid or mage...

and for your summary, of course it dosent make good players, but you can end up with 7 bouttons to press instead of what i have for instance 29 binds without scripts 

Originally posted by Snoepie

rolf... this post is just laughable..

 

Half of posters in this thread, accoroding to the content of the poster, either don't play darkfall or tried the trial for 3/4 days and are keep bumpin the forums, darkfall sucks blabla no skill whatever..

 

Darkfall is skill player based.. END OF STORY

 

Players set up there own bindings ( + autohotkey) to fit there needs ( this is compleetly your own choice. some people don't use script's and get along fine, others needs scripts to get better experience.)

Armor is maybe 20% of the dmg reduction or whatever

There are players ingame don't ever wear any kind of armor and still kill every one around.

people can wear full infernal set or dragon and get killed by a player in robe..

Everything is possible in this game

 

Players like awesomefusion are rare ingame.. he is a really good pvp'er but he ain't the only one ingame.

AND As i already posted in another thread:

 

Poeple who try it out and can't kill goblins or don't know what to do just quit the game and start bashing the forums..

 

darkfall ain't easy mode simple is that. you  can not get a good experience by trying the trial for 10 days!! darkfall have alot  more to offer.

Teh danger of darkfall:
 

Once you have the darkfall experience and are hooked to the combat. there is no turning back. All the others mmo's out there are just dull and not  enjoyable anymore.

 

Darkfall problem is atm. there alot of trial's going on but not many players are subbing for it because of failure of info

Start naked, no direction etc..

 

TIP to the curieus: don't give up to fast. 10 days ain't an experience sub the game join a friendly clan and get your adventure.

 Why cant you just admit that YOU THINK its a great game. Again its terribly low subscriptions numbers carry the burden of proof, not your opinion.

I haven't read all of the 3 pages but after reading the first the debate seems to be script vs no scripts and the variety of play styles people actually play.

In my year and a half this is my experience:

90% of the vets play the exact same hybrid type character.  Who wins is determined by a wide variety of things:

Ping and FPS are VERY important for sticky backing and weapon switching

Macroes do matter a TON for 98% of the player base.

Character matter for 99% of the player base (great gear which is a heavy grind combine with great fps, ping and player skill can make up some for the character)

Gear matters

Having a ton of buffs, bebuffs, and utility spells goes a long way.

Cross healing and buffing is huge

Numbers and terrain 

Distance, blinds, bunny hopping and weapon changes and know how and WHEN to use them make a huge difference.

Cheating does still happen most prelevantly lag switchers.

Outside of pvp:

The game is a huge grind for character skills, players skills, and keeping enough gear/gold/regs to pvp.

There isn't much to do outside of pvp other then grind for gold/mats which often turns into pvp.

The crafting system isn't bad but requires a lot of grind.

Most people have multiple alt to hit nodes and macro on.

The siege system is pretty broken.

The alignment system is pretty broken.

The game is extremely hard on newer players.

The most  of epic mobs usually aren't worth the trouble for the gear you risk, the likelyhood of pvp, the number of people  you have to divide it with, and the time.

The dev team works etremely slowly.

Overall, it is a fun game that I enjoy but I can see a lot of people not making it past the faults.

Originally posted by stux

I haven't read all of the 3 pages but after reading the first the debate seems to be script vs no scripts and the variety of play styles people actually play.

 

In my year and a half this is my experience:

 

90% of the vets play the exact same hybrid type character.  Who wins is determined by a wide variety of things:

 

Ping and FPS are VERY important for sticky backing and weapon switching

Macroes do matter a TON for 98% of the player base.

Character matter for 99% of the player base (great gear which is a heavy grind combine with great fps, ping and player skill can make up some for the character)

Gear matters

Having a ton of buffs, bebuffs, and utility spells goes a long way.

Cross healing and buffing is huge

Numbers and terrain 

Distance, blinds, bunny hopping and weapon changes and know how and WHEN to use them make a huge difference.

Cheating does still happen most prelevantly lag switchers.

 

Outside of pvp:

The game is a huge grind for character skills, players skills, and keeping enough gear/gold/regs to pvp.

There isn't much to do outside of pvp other then grind for gold/mats which often turns into pvp.

The crafting system isn't bad but requires a lot of grind.

Most people have multiple alt to hit nodes and macro on.

The siege system is pretty broken.

The alignment system is pretty broken.

The game is extremely hard on newer players.

The most  of epic mobs usually aren't worth the trouble for the gear you risk, the likelyhood of pvp, the number of people  you have to divide it with, and the time.

The dev team works etremely slowly.

 

 

Overall, it is a fun game that I enjoy but I can see a lot of people not making it past the faults.

 A very concise breakdown. kudos.

Are people still using "radar" type hacks, where they can see where other players are, even when the other player is completely obscured from line of sight?

That's what resulted in me ultimately cancelling my sub, as much as I was enjoying the game otherwise.

I accept that it's an open PvP MMO. I accept that PvP will happen. I accept that PvP will not always, and in fact, will seldom be "fair" until I'm better equipped and more skilled... If I'm out exploring, questing, harvesting or what-have-you and someone comes along to attack me because I was being careless and not aware enough of my surroundings... fine. My fault. I'll lick my wounds and get back to it.

Will I will not abide, however, is the following:

I'm resting and completely obscured on all sides - my back to a large boulder, a large tree to one side, another boulder to the other, and very thick hedges surrounding the entire spot. I'm resting, on my way to a city to, ideally, join up with a clan.

About 2 minutes after I sit down, and have not moved, I hear another player approaching on mount. They come into view, name bright red, and continue riding by, about 20' directly out from where I'm sitting. From their location, one of the boulders and/or part of the tree would be blocking their view of me, not to mention the thick hedges. They abruptly stop and hop off their mount. They make a bee-line to my location, go around to the opening in the hedges I had to come in through, proceed to kill, gank and loot me (I was carrying a few items of food, and a newbie staff... completely naked otherwise). They then stand there laughing.

Oh, and it was one of my own race doing it. Hooray for the useless faction system.

40 minutes of running time wasted... by a cheating scumbag. No one is going to tell me that they were not using a hack to see where I was. There is no other way they could have known. No one else was in the area who could have "spotted me". It was empty of all but mobs.

I logged out and cancelled my sub. I will not abide that kind of crap in a MMO with stakes like DF's.

Before anyone says it, yes, I know... "all MMOs have cheaters". All MMOs, however, are not open PvP will full loot and the expansive travel times DF has, particularly on foot. At best, I tolerate them in other MMOs. In a MMO like DF, however.. no way. I won't tolerate dealing with cheating assholes in a setting like that.

Should they ever manage to eliminate or render such hacks obsolete (which I doubt would happen), I'd be back to play more as I did enjoy my time playing the game. 'til then, I'll just keep it at arm's length.

Too much jumping around in pvp for my taste.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Are people still using "radar" type hacks, where they can see where other players are, even when the other player is completely obscured from line of sight?

That's what resulted in me ultimately cancelling my sub, as much as I was enjoying the game otherwise.

I accept that it's an open PvP MMO. I accept that PvP will happen. I accept that PvP will not always, and in fact, will seldom be "fair" until I'm better equipped and more skilled... If I'm out exploring, questing, harvesting or what-have-you and someone comes along to attack me because I was being careless and not aware enough of my surroundings... fine. My fault. I'll lick my wounds and get back to it.

Will I will not abide, however, is the following:

I'm resting and completely obscured on all sides - my back to a large boulder, a large tree to one side, another boulder to the other, and very thick hedges surrounding the entire spot. I'm resting, on my way to a city to, ideally, join up with a clan.

About 2 minutes after I sit down, and have not moved, I hear another player approaching on mount. They come into view, name bright red, and continue riding by, about 20' directly out from where I'm sitting. From their location, one of the boulders and/or part of the tree would be blocking their view of me, not to mention the thick hedges. They abruptly stop and hop off their mount. They make a bee-line to my location, go around to the opening in the hedges I had to come in through, proceed to kill, gank and loot me (I was carrying a few items of food, and a newbie staff... completely naked otherwise). They then stand there laughing.

Oh, and it was one of my own race doing it. Hooray for the useless faction system.

40 minutes of running time wasted... by a cheating scumbag. No one is going to tell me that they were not using a hack to see where I was. There is no other way they could have known. No one else was in the area who could have "spotted me". It was empty of all but mobs.

I logged out and cancelled my sub. I will not abide that kind of crap in a MMO with stakes like DF's.

Before anyone says it, yes, I know... "all MMOs have cheaters". All MMOs, however, are not open PvP will full loot and the expansive travel times DF has, particularly on foot. At best, I tolerate them in other MMOs. In a MMO like DF, however.. no way. I won't tolerate dealing with cheating assholes in a setting like that.

Should they ever manage to eliminate or render such hacks obsolete (which I doubt would happen), I'd be back to play more as I did enjoy my time playing the game. 'til then, I'll just keep it at arm's length.

 Dunno when this happened to you but i think it was some months back AV banned a wave of "undetactable" radar hackers and since then those "passive hacks" are considered unsafe.

Of course it could be you was victim to hackers but then the spawned mobs at least HAVE give your presence away and just a crack in the wall could have give your position too. (the 3 person view on a mount gives also a very good view on the surrounding area)

All in all how was your impression about hacking -beside this unfortunate single occasion ? i don't think DF has real big hacker problem (hard hackers not macro'r ).

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

 Dunno when this happened to you but i think it was some months back AV banned a wave of "undetactable" radar hackers and since then those "passive hacks" are considered unsafe.

Of course it could be you was victim to hackers but then the spawned mobs at least HAVE give your presence away and just a crack in the wall could have give your position too. (the 3 person view on a mount gives also a very good view on the surrounding area)

There's no question it was a hack.

They wouldn't have been able to see me legitimately. The boulders were taller than me while standing up. The tree was a large one. The hedges, as you know, grow pretty high and are pretty dense and, anyway, they were mostly on the side I entered that spot from, which was almost opposite the direction the hacker approached from.

Also keep in mind that he was a good distance out from my spot, riding by at full speed on a mount. Their PoV, even at that height, would have been way too narrow to see me themselves, especially given the height of the objects around me. They didn't even slow down first as though they were "scouting" or looking for other players. They went from full-speed run to dead stop, hopped off the mount and ran straight to my location, as though I was standing out in broad daylight wearing a dayglow orange jumpsuit and a blinking neon "kill me" sign over my head.

There were no mobs in the immediate area that would have alerted them to me. Nothing that would have aggroed and nothing that would have fled away from me. It was completely quiet for about 2 minutes 'til the hacker came riding up.

All in all how was your impression about hacking -beside this unfortunate single occasion ? i don't think DF has real big hacker problem (hard hackers not macro'r ).

Couldn't say.

1. I was still new to the game and wouldn't necessarily immediately recognize a hacker from a legit player... unless they were using very obvious hacks like in my case, came floating by overhead, popped up out of the ground, etc.

2. There were never that many people around the starting area I was in. Those who were, were mostly passing through or just staring at the bank vault.

I may just give it another go and see how it pans out. I really, really can not tolerate that kind of crap in a game like that, though. I could be ganked and griefed for hours straight by another player.. It would be annoying as hell, yes and I'd find it very lame. But I wouldn't quit over it, because it's to be expected... even if lame and not at all appreciated. If they're clearly using hacks to get an unfair advantage that I couldn't meet without cheatinng also (which I won't do), such as in my case.. Forget it, I'm gone.

In a valiant effort to clean up this thread some . ...

I have not seen or heard of anyone using a hack in over a year.

I have been beaten by people who do not have a gaming keyboard and do not use macro scripts.

If you are lazy and do not want to use scripts than its really not a big deal having to press a button after pulling out your staff to cast a spell or pressing an extra button when pulling out a 1hd melee with a shield . .. lol you people are totally over-exaggerating the importance of scripts. Player skill is still most important. Some asain dude I used to play with had a freakin laptop and was total pro for a bit. Not to mention that there are reasons to play this game primarily for the PVE and freedom even if you hate the PVP because no other game offers the awesome PVE that this game has. People don't admit that the PVE is awesome in this game for being a MMORPG because they are pretending to be leet PVPers but its so true.

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

In a valiant effort to clean up this thread some . ...

 

I have not seen or heard of anyone using a hack in over a year.

I might have meet a lag switcher once but not sure, thats the closets i ever belived someone hacking on darkfall, oh they also was a guy running on mounts underwater at sea tower but he was frapsed and banned.

 

I have been beaten by people who do not have a gaming keyboard and do not use macro scripts.

 

If you are lazy and do not want to use scripts than its really not a big deal having to press a button after pulling out your staff to cast a spell or pressing an extra button when pulling out a 1hd melee with a shield . .. lol you people are totally over-exaggerating the importance of scripts. Player skill is still most important.

bye that logic its okay to ebay cause your lazy

its okay to macro cause you dont wanna raise your skills

its okay to hack because your to lazy to get new stuff if you lose it...

and if you think its 1 less boutton to press with scripts well go to your clans forum and press search, then type in scripts and hit search...

for player skill of course its important, but just like other games, how devolped your character is, and gear matters to

Originally posted by Sorrowho

 

bye that logic its okay to ebay cause your lazy

its okay to macro cause you dont wanna raise your skills

its okay to hack because your to lazy to get new stuff if you lose it...

and if you think its 1 less boutton to press with scripts well go to your clans forum and press search, then type in scripts and hit search...

 

for player skill of course its important, but just like other games, how devolped your character is, and gear matters to

I meant that if you are too lazy to setup some scripts than it is not going to be a game killer because all you will have to do is hit an extra button. Big fucking deal. I can think of many people who were good and did not use scripts or a gaming keyboard and it would not have been considered cheating by anyone if they did because it is perfectly legal.

If you do not like macroing than do not do it. I haven't since I rerolled this character. Its not like I am going to die because I don't like to keep my character macroing all night. I die from making stupid mistakes . ... everytime its my fault and has nothing to do with my playing legitimately.

A victim is going to be a victim whether you use scripts or not. You don't need scripts to stop being a victim and win fights. Knowing the landscape and having the ability to predict where people are and will be without actually knowing is the biggest fight winner . ... no scripts for that. I am not sure where you are headed with this. It sounds to me like you are making this out to be a game killer for people without a gaming keyboard. Its not.

okay, if you belive scripts only mean 1 less boutton to press, and how devolped your character is, means nothing if your skilled, i guess the majority off darkfalls comminuty disagree with your ideals, since they use both macros and scripts...

Originally posted by Sorrowho

okay, if you belive scripts only mean 1 less boutton to press, and how devolped your character is, means nothing if your skilled, i guess the majority off darkfalls comminuty disagree with your ideals, since they use both macros and scripts...

Yes they do . .. or did. They no longer play for the most part. I have more fun than them anyways. Think what you want. Lots of new blood coming in and having more fun than they did too.

Most people only use one script if any and that is to pull out a 1hd melee weapon with a shield. What script are you talking about?

player skill > scripts

Its nice to have the staff loaded with a ray when its pulled out . ... I wouldn't think that I can't play without that script though.

Are you talking about the one for drinking a pot every refresh? Who cares! Player skill is better. What if you drink too many and run out? What if you need to drink the other kind instead?

Maybe you are talking about the perma-run script? Sometimes I walk in battle to regen my stam faster but I guess its pretty rare. Perma-sprint just seems stupid though.

I doubt that there is a bunny-hopping script. All you have to do is know when to hit jump. Its hard but I wouldn't want to have a script that drains all of my stamina (thats what happens when you hit jump too many times).

Can you give an example?

I can understand that you read these forums or whatever and saw how people complained about people AFK macroing or whatever but it was always a pain in the arss to AFK macro because its expensive as hell and you take a risk only to be heavily nerfed later on.

Do you really think any head start that happened a year or two years ago matters now? Well guess what?!

I guarantee that 99% of the vets all use the new meditation because the grind has been reduced that much and most of their macroing was all done to be ahead during that time but now that time is over.

There is always going to be something to grind for. People who think that they are done with the grind don't know anything about how this game works. They will have to grind again. I guarantee it. I would recommend that you have fun instead of grinding or worrying about AFK macroing like I have because its hell of a lot better and I still kill more than I am killed so what do I care when coming across a vet with all these BS scripts that you think exist never really happens . ... at least it hasnt for about 3 months? There are good players out there all over the place I am sure but sometimes it can be months before I come across one . ... just one. So you people complain over nothing. LOL its funny.

i find it kinda hard to reply to your posts, becuase mostly i dont get what your trying to say.

Originally posted by Sorrowho

i find it kinda hard to reply to your posts, becuase mostly i dont get what your trying to say.

Mainly I was wondering what script that you were talking about and was hoping that you could give an example.

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

Originally posted by Sorrowho

i find it kinda hard to reply to your posts, becuase mostly i dont get what your trying to say.

Mainly I was wondering what script that you were talking about and was hoping that you could give an example.

[Mod Edit]

but for scripts i dont use em, as I said so don't know all off em, and the ones you listet sounds weird. 

i do know some but the best i can think of is the 7 rays to 1 boutton, then just useing the strongest first and lesser ones after when their on cooldown.

since i anwsered why don't you go to your clan forums, and serach for the word scripts and tell me how many topics you find about it?

Originally posted by Sorrowho

[Mod Edit]

but for scripts i dont use em, as I said so don't know all off em, and the ones you listet sounds weird. 

i do know some but the best i can think of is the 7 rays to 1 boutton, then just useing the strongest first and lesser ones after when their on cooldown.

since i anwsered why don't you go to your clan forums, and serach for the word scripts and tell me how many topics you find about it?

0 topics about it in my clan forums .. .

The best script is the sword and shield one in my opinion.

7 ray macro .. . hehehehehe

People did run around with a macro for spamming all of their rays but LOL it has never killed me and friends of mine who have tried to use it always go back to just depending on player-skill because its not worth the macro messing you up during combat and dying beacuse you cant stop casting rays.

I wish that all of my opponents had that script and used it as much as they could so that I could win more fights.

That script doesn't even work anymore anyways and it was never the best. Having a couple buttons with a few rays in each was much better but they put a bandaid on it so it doesn't really matter anymore.

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

Originally posted by Sorrowho

then everything else is just you trolloing or what where your trying to point out?

but for scripts i dont use em, as I said so don't know all off em, and the ones you listet sounds weird. 

i do know some but the best i can think of is the 7 rays to 1 boutton, then just useing the strongest first and lesser ones after when their on cooldown.

since i anwsered why don't you go to your clan forums, and serach for the word scripts and tell me how many topics you find about it?

0 topics about it in my clan forums .. .

 

The best script is the sword and shield one in my opinion.

 

7 ray macro .. . hehehehehe

People did run around with a macro for spamming all of their rays but LOL it has never killed me and friends of mine who have tried to use it always go back to just depending on player-skill because its not worth the macro messing you up during combat and dying beacuse you cant stop casting rays.

I wish that all of my opponents had that script and used it as much as they could so that I could win more fights.

That script doesn't even work anymore anyways and it was never the best. Having a couple buttons with a few rays in each was much better but they put a bandaid on it so it doesn't really matter anymore.

I can back this up by saying that its true. No one cycle 7 rays anymore. You only need 3 nowadays. More then that and you simply put on more grind to get reed of a useless addition during pvp. You now have 1 sec cooldown between rays so you cannot shoot them off like a 7 bullets M16

The worst ray of them all was pungment mist. Before the last patch, you could spam it none stop only to lose a small amount of mana. You could perma blind your opponent untill death. Now, it cost around 40 mana so eather, no one use pungment mist anymore or we only use it during specific situations like when you need to retreat or to finish off an opponent.

In conclusion, any good player can win a fight with just 1 ray. Check out Try hard videos. One of the best player(Also a cheater) and he use only 1 ray that is insect swarm. Most Hybrid only use 2. Impale and pungment mist.

Me personally, i still use a 3 rays cycle script linked with the strongest staff i can manage to carry. I only spam 1 at time. I never spam all the 3 when my opponent is zigzagging or something since they drain a lot of mana in the long run.

The only reasons why ray cycles are still useful is because of Wall of Force and Fire spells knock up. In a WOF, all you can do is parry. If you got a destroyer or a bow user in your team with disabling shot or if you surround your enemies, you can easily land all your 3 rays on them. Sure, you can always use stormblast, but base on the amount of enemies you are facing, you will get WOFed as much. Stormblast coodown is way too long to rely on it. As for Fire spell knock up, you are just way too predictible when you fly in the air. There is no way someone can miss a ray up there. While you get knocked up, you can receive 1 fire ball in the air, 1 ray and an other ray when you land.

Anyway, my list of script are: sword/shield, rays, heal other, R90 nukes, heal self. Im a hybrid and its impossible to use everything. Its when i started using debuffs that i had to get more then a sword/shield and ray script.