So you've started your new character, you're keen to compete! But how? Will it take long? I bet I won't be able to beat the vets!

To compete in the shortest amount of time possible you can forget about leveling higher magic skills for the moment, with a handful of spells combined with archery and melee you'll be ready for combat.

Inform yourself of how the game works and join a helpful guild established guild asap with a holding, the more you understand how to earn gold and level the faster it'll be.

KEY ASPECT OF GETTING VIABLE QUICKLY. Put atleast 5000 gold into meditation points daily, you'll struggle to do this straight off the bat but after a week of playing or if you're assisted by a friend/guild it shouldn't be a problem if you actively play a few hours a day.

Vitality, Quickness, Strength are the the first things to meditate, if you plan to be more magic orientated within the future you'll be needing 75 intelligence at some point. Aim to get a good base HP of around 350+ (I pvp with 380-390 base), bloodcrafted items, vitality and hp enchanted equipment afterwards will boost you up if required.

When ingame you should be concentrating on making gold using melee and archery, to be competitive you'll be needing 50+ mastery and 75+ sharpshooter. Don't forget to be using transfers regulary as they are key to combat (that comes under informing yourself on how the game works)

Essential spells to be gained; You can still go Destroyer and utilise these spells!

Lesser Magic: All the transfers, heal self, heal mount

Greater Magic: Shrapnel, Begone, Confusion (Confusion isn't really essential), Heal other, Unburden

Witchcraft; Witchesbrew

Spellchanting: Sacrifice

Optional:

Elemental magic selfbuffs, str, quickness, arrow shield, fireshield ect. All however not necessary to compete.

There you have it, with the above you are ready to PvP. Unless you're very good with the twitch/fps combat do not go trying to PvP v.s. higher up vets (vets that are also skilled) they will have more tools than you at their disposal. However as proven by Darkfall veteran AwesomeFusion who made his new character (Currently matching what I've said above in character level) it is possible to be better than 95% of the server.

However it's not about competiting with the best, the majority of the server has eaither a semi developed character / are simply bad at PvP. Homing your skills with the above build you'll be able to defeat all of these types with ease.

How long will it take? A month of none power gaming but actively playing 4-5 hours a day.

For inspiration new players I'd watch some of his videos of PvPing with a character weaker than I suggest you should be above.

With meditation getting your stats will come naturally overtime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JffWLo-yYCE&hd=1

In this first video you'll see him fighting and competiting against some of the servers elite from Z5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2NhIeviBo&feature=channel_video_title

Here is a huge siege situation.

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As you can see you can compete fine without spending many months grinding several magic schools.

Sadly every single person would have do this exact same thing, have the exact same experience, because everyone in Darkfall plays the exact same template.

Gee. What fun.

Originally posted by Arcken

Sadly every single person would have do this exact same thing, have the exact same experience, because everyone in Darkfall plays the exact same template.

Gee. What fun.

Not really, you can not be playing the game and hold that opinion.

Heavy mages mostly using magic, R90s, heavy AoEs, WoF.

Those who prefer doing a mix of Melee and Magic, quiet a few decent players stick to using rays if possible and blinds whilst pushing with melee. Some cycle rank 50s, others like to juggle opponents.

Destroyers who can only use basic magic and archery + melee in their heavy armour.

Hybrids who focus on melee and archery mainly keeping elemental schools for buffs and stormblast.

Many less favourable builds.

I only use earth/fire + melee for example. I use disintrigrate, others will use air R90 or fire R90.

So what you're saying doesn't hold true in the actual game but is an exaggerated version of alot of people including simular spells into their cycles.

I was going to watch the videos to see how the game has changed, and consider playing it again.  Glad I watched the videos first.  It appears just as chaotic and random as I recall.  I don't see how any skill set can ever be competative in the game when it all seems like luck-based combat - IE Who can spam the most things in the shortest time.

I played Warband for the past year and got a nice, healthy taste of what twitched based medieval/fantasy combat could and should be.  Going back and seeing Darkfall's excuse for a combat system seems... bad.  Just, bad.

I can deal with poor combat mechanics; I have before.  Just top it off though with what the post above mine (as I was writing this one at least) pointed out.  Everyone would be going through the character devlopment making the exact cookie-cutter you described.  There's no variation in the game, no playing certain character's strengths vs other's weaknesses.

In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!

Originally posted by Lerxst

I was going to watch the videos to see how the game has changed, and consider playing it again.  Glad I watched the videos first.  It appears just as chaotic and random as I recall.  I don't see how any skill set can ever be competative in the game when it all seems like luck-based combat - IE Who can spam the most things in the shortest time.

 

I played Warband for the past year and got a nice, healthy taste of what twitched based medieval/fantasy combat could and should be.  Going back and seeing Darkfall's excuse for a combat system seems... bad.  Just, bad.

 

I can deal with poor combat mechanics; I have before.  Just top it off though with what the post above mine (as I was writing this one at least) pointed out.  Everyone would be going through the character devlopment making the exact cookie-cutter you described.  There's no variation in the game, no playing certain character's strengths vs other's weaknesses.

 

In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!

Chaotic - Yes. Random? Absolutely not. The players skill and capability of being aware of what's going on around him is absolutely key. Spam and you'll soon find yourself out of mana, stamina and then hit points. (Plus you'll probably miss more or do friendly fire)

Warbands combat system is more refined / better perhapes, not played but people always commend warband on its combat. However DFs combat is still extremely fun and adrenaline inducing.

'In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!'

Read my retort to Arken, my guide will take you down a fast route to being competitive. It isn't the only means of fighting.

Originally posted by Lerxst

I was going to watch the videos to see how the game has changed, and consider playing it again.  Glad I watched the videos first.  It appears just as chaotic and random as I recall.  I don't see how any skill set can ever be competative in the game when it all seems like luck-based combat - IE Who can spam the most things in the shortest time.

 

I played Warband for the past year and got a nice, healthy taste of what twitched based medieval/fantasy combat could and should be.  Going back and seeing Darkfall's excuse for a combat system seems... bad.  Just, bad.

 

I can deal with poor combat mechanics; I have before.  Just top it off though with what the post above mine (as I was writing this one at least) pointed out.  Everyone would be going through the character devlopment making the exact cookie-cutter you described.  There's no variation in the game, no playing certain character's strengths vs other's weaknesses.

 

In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!

You guys obviously buy into what most of the detractors spew around here. I'm actually not sure why they even enter the DF forum if they don't play the game. [mod edit - no personal attacks please]

Anyway, you probably think it looks chaotic because you haven't played enough to understand the fighting. It would look chaotic to an outsider. Many times it is because your adreninline is pumping and hearts racing. Never got that feeling in Warband. At any rate, it's very strategic based and there are many factors to keep aware of:

your stats

their gear

their numbers

their weapon usage

their skills

ability to escape

Honestly, I could go on and on. Terrain is a huge part. There are so many factors to consider in each fight, it's stupid to say everyone has one class. Not everyone plays the same. Although a lot of people have similar skills, many people use them in unique ways and have preferences. You'll notice this when you fight someone. Each persons play style is very different.

Originally posted by xanphia

Originally posted by Lerxst

I was going to watch the videos to see how the game has changed, and consider playing it again.  Glad I watched the videos first.  It appears just as chaotic and random as I recall.  I don't see how any skill set can ever be competative in the game when it all seems like luck-based combat - IE Who can spam the most things in the shortest time.

 

I played Warband for the past year and got a nice, healthy taste of what twitched based medieval/fantasy combat could and should be.  Going back and seeing Darkfall's excuse for a combat system seems... bad.  Just, bad.

 

I can deal with poor combat mechanics; I have before.  Just top it off though with what the post above mine (as I was writing this one at least) pointed out.  Everyone would be going through the character devlopment making the exact cookie-cutter you described.  There's no variation in the game, no playing certain character's strengths vs other's weaknesses.

 

In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!

You guys obviously buy into what most of the detractors spew around here. I'm actually not sure why they even enter the DF forum if they don't play the game. I think they're just miserable fucks, really.

Anyway, you probably think it looks chaotic because you haven't played enough to understand the fighting. It would look chaotic to an outsider. Many times it is because your adreninline is pumping and hearts racing. Never got that feeling in Warband. At any rate, it's very strategic based and there are many factors to keep aware of:

your stats

their gear

their numbers

their weapon usage

their skills

ability to escape

Honestly, I could go on and on. Terrain is a huge part. There are so many factors to consider in each fight, it's stupid to say everyone has one class. Not everyone plays the same. Although a lot of people have similar skills, many people use them in unique ways and have preferences. You'll notice this when you fight someone. Each persons play style is very different.

 Let me break it down for ya.

If everyone is given a white piece of paper and told to make something with it, regardless of what they do within those confines, theyre all still gonna end up with something still made out of that white piece of paper.

Now, if you give someone clay, someone else bronze, someone else paint, and someone else fabric, theres going to be a far wider spectrum of creativity than just the medium of a plain white piece of paper.

You can try to spin it with terrain, and everyone plays different, but youre all using the same white piece of paper either way.

Originally posted by Greymoor

Originally posted by Lerxst

I was going to watch the videos to see how the game has changed, and consider playing it again.  Glad I watched the videos first.  It appears just as chaotic and random as I recall.  I don't see how any skill set can ever be competative in the game when it all seems like luck-based combat - IE Who can spam the most things in the shortest time.

 

I played Warband for the past year and got a nice, healthy taste of what twitched based medieval/fantasy combat could and should be.  Going back and seeing Darkfall's excuse for a combat system seems... bad.  Just, bad.

 

I can deal with poor combat mechanics; I have before.  Just top it off though with what the post above mine (as I was writing this one at least) pointed out.  Everyone would be going through the character devlopment making the exact cookie-cutter you described.  There's no variation in the game, no playing certain character's strengths vs other's weaknesses.

 

In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!

Chaotic - Yes. Random? Absolutely not. The players skill and capability of being aware of what's going on around him is absolutely key. Spam and you'll soon find yourself out of mana, stamina and then hit points. (Plus you'll probably miss more or do friendly fire)

Warbands combat system is more refined / better perhapes, not played but people always commend warband on its combat. However DFs combat is still extremely fun and adrenaline inducing.

'In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!'

Read my retort to Arken, my guide will take you down a fast route to being competitive. It is by far the only means of fighting.

 "It is by far the only means of fighting"

Exactly.

Originally posted by Greymoor

There you have it, with the above you are ready to PvP. Unless you're very good with the twitch/fps combat do not go trying to PvP v.s. higher up vets (vets that are also skilled) they will have more tools than you at their disposal. However as proven by Darkfall veteran AwesomeFusion who made his new character (Currently matching what I've said above in character level) it is possible to be better than 95% of the server.

However it's not about competiting with the best, the majority of the server has eaither a semi developed character / are simply bad at PvP. Homing your skills with the above build you'll be able to defeat all of these types with ease.

How long will it take? A month of none power gaming but actively playing 4-5 hours a day.

 

dont really think its proof of anything, on his main he has macroed/autoclicked and uses scripts for pvp (third party software), not trying to rain on his parade, since almost every darkfall player does it

but trying to follow that guide if you wont take the same questionable steps its more likely to not end well...

dont really think you should follow any guide either just play the game to have fun instead of burning yourself out and just ask a clannie for help once in a while.

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

There you have it, with the above you are ready to PvP. Unless you're very good with the twitch/fps combat do not go trying to PvP v.s. higher up vets (vets that are also skilled) they will have more tools than you at their disposal. However as proven by Darkfall veteran AwesomeFusion who made his new character (Currently matching what I've said above in character level) it is possible to be better than 95% of the server.

However it's not about competiting with the best, the majority of the server has eaither a semi developed character / are simply bad at PvP. Homing your skills with the above build you'll be able to defeat all of these types with ease.

How long will it take? A month of none power gaming but actively playing 4-5 hours a day.

 

 

dont really think its proof of anything, on his main he has macroed/autoclicked and uses scripts for pvp (third party software), not trying to rain on his parade, since almost every darkfall player does it

but trying to follow that guide if you wont take the same questionable steps its more likely to not end well...

 

dont really think you should follow any guide either just play the game to have fun instead of burning yourself out and just ask a clannie for help once in a while.

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

macros = afk macroing auto clicking ?, then hes stil useing scripts or? i just wanna be sure what you mean since wow macros are the equal thing to scripts for darkfall, but scripts are thirdparty software in darkfall not something, you can make without it.

hes still a very good player but darkfall does take time to be able to compete, it might not be much for a destroyer, magekiller but you need support to do well, but going for mage kinda character still takes a long time.

edit again: even if you mean only sword and shield script, our opinion is still different, but its defintly possible to play without scripts just very few people do it 

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

macros = afk macroing auto clicking ?, then hes stil useing scripts or? i just wanna be sure what you mean since wow macros are the equal thing to scripts for darkfall, but scripts are thirdparty software in darkfall not something, you can make without it.

hes still a very good player but darkfall does take time to be able to compete, it might not be much for a destroyer, magekiller but you need support to do well, but going for mage kinda character still takes a long time.

 

edit: okay if you meant scripts after all, i guess our opinon is different

He is not using scripts in PvP on Anma Oakglade except for sword and shield swapping perhapes.

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

edit again: even if you mean only sword and shield script, our opinion is still different, but its defintly possible to play without scripts just very few people do it 

1st of all, everyone in darkfall use scripts. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb. In other words, every hybrid use scripts. Without autohotkey, it would be way too hard to use everything and the G15 users would own the game.

The main reasons to use scripts: Ray cycles, Sword/shield. Thats it. I personally use script more for much more stuff, but script and sword/shield are a must.

If you see a good hybrid player that can kill a bunch of players without the need of any script like soloing or in a small group, he is probably a vet with over 100 on every stats like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XXs43YSfc

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by xanphia

Originally posted by Lerxst

I was going to watch the videos to see how the game has changed, and consider playing it again.  Glad I watched the videos first.  It appears just as chaotic and random as I recall.  I don't see how any skill set can ever be competative in the game when it all seems like luck-based combat - IE Who can spam the most things in the shortest time.

 

I played Warband for the past year and got a nice, healthy taste of what twitched based medieval/fantasy combat could and should be.  Going back and seeing Darkfall's excuse for a combat system seems... bad.  Just, bad.

 

I can deal with poor combat mechanics; I have before.  Just top it off though with what the post above mine (as I was writing this one at least) pointed out.  Everyone would be going through the character devlopment making the exact cookie-cutter you described.  There's no variation in the game, no playing certain character's strengths vs other's weaknesses.

 

In short, after watching the video and reading through your guide, Darkfall looks more and more like a First Person Shooter... with only one class!

You guys obviously buy into what most of the detractors spew around here. I'm actually not sure why they even enter the DF forum if they don't play the game. I think they're just miserable fucks, really.

Anyway, you probably think it looks chaotic because you haven't played enough to understand the fighting. It would look chaotic to an outsider. Many times it is because your adreninline is pumping and hearts racing. Never got that feeling in Warband. At any rate, it's very strategic based and there are many factors to keep aware of:

your stats

their gear

their numbers

their weapon usage

their skills

ability to escape

Honestly, I could go on and on. Terrain is a huge part. There are so many factors to consider in each fight, it's stupid to say everyone has one class. Not everyone plays the same. Although a lot of people have similar skills, many people use them in unique ways and have preferences. You'll notice this when you fight someone. Each persons play style is very different.

 Let me break it down for ya.

If everyone is given a white piece of paper and told to make something with it, regardless of what they do within those confines, theyre all still gonna end up with something still made out of that white piece of paper.

Now, if you give someone clay, someone else bronze, someone else paint, and someone else fabric, theres going to be a far wider spectrum of creativity than just the medium of a plain white piece of paper.

You can try to spin it with terrain, and everyone plays different, but youre all using the same white piece of paper either way.

Let me break it down for ya.

There is no endless variety in class based games with inherent skill restrictions. Pvp players/groups (not lolpugs) tend to use the same templates with the same gear and the same mix of classes in the group.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

edit again: even if you mean only sword and shield script, our opinion is still different, but its defintly possible to play without scripts just very few people do it 

1st of all, everyone in darkfall use scripts. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb. In other words, every hybrid use scripts. Without autohotkey, it would be way too hard to use everything and the G15 users would own the game.

The main reasons to use scripts: Ray cycles, Sword/shield. Thats it. I personally use script more for much more stuff, but script and sword/shield are a must.

If you see a good hybrid player that can kill a bunch of players without the need of any script like soloing or in a small group, he is probably a vet with over 100 on every stats like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XXs43YSfc

I don't use any form of macro or script, I defeat a lot of players except higher up vets.

Anma doesn't use all these magic spells that 'everyone elses cookie cutter everybody same cry cry' that people are making up here nor scripts, Anma does not have good stats.

People who play Darkfall and are relatively bad to some players always blame things like ray scripts ect. But at the end of the day it's you who needs to get better at the game.

Originally posted by Greymoor

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

edit again: even if you mean only sword and shield script, our opinion is still different, but its defintly possible to play without scripts just very few people do it 

1st of all, everyone in darkfall use scripts. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb. In other words, every hybrid use scripts. Without autohotkey, it would be way too hard to use everything and the G15 users would own the game.

The main reasons to use scripts: Ray cycles, Sword/shield. Thats it. I personally use script more for much more stuff, but script and sword/shield are a must.

If you see a good hybrid player that can kill a bunch of players without the need of any script like soloing or in a small group, he is probably a vet with over 100 on every stats like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XXs43YSfc

I don't use any form of macro or script, I defeat a lot of players except higher up vets.

Anma doesn't use all these magic spells that 'everyone elses cookie cutter everybody same cry cry' that people are making up here nor scripts, Anma does not have good stats.

People who play Darkfall and are relatively bad to some players always blame things like ray scripts ect. But at the end of the day it's you who needs to get better at the game.

I did not click on the videos before i made my post. Now, i just clicked on it. what i see?

Darkfall Online - Anma Oakglade Destroyer

So let me repeat myself. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb.

Myself and a lot of other players, the reason why we wont be a destroyer as long that we are average, its because its expensive to play as one and owning at the same time. Soloing as a destroyer, unless you got 100 quickness is way too hard unless you are Itwas luck. Itwasluck is like the script master of darkfall anyway.

Now, time to watch the whole video...

Ok let me stop at 0:10. I just cant take you seriously anymore when i see him wearing high end gears like infernal.

Last thing, amna is using script BTW. I watched enough pvp videos to see when someone is using a script. Look at her hotbar, notice how fast she can do a 180 spin. So please...

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Greymoor

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

edit again: even if you mean only sword and shield script, our opinion is still different, but its defintly possible to play without scripts just very few people do it 

1st of all, everyone in darkfall use scripts. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb. In other words, every hybrid use scripts. Without autohotkey, it would be way too hard to use everything and the G15 users would own the game.

The main reasons to use scripts: Ray cycles, Sword/shield. Thats it. I personally use script more for much more stuff, but script and sword/shield are a must.

If you see a good hybrid player that can kill a bunch of players without the need of any script like soloing or in a small group, he is probably a vet with over 100 on every stats like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XXs43YSfc

I don't use any form of macro or script, I defeat a lot of players except higher up vets.

Anma doesn't use all these magic spells that 'everyone elses cookie cutter everybody same cry cry' that people are making up here nor scripts, Anma does not have good stats.

People who play Darkfall and are relatively bad to some players always blame things like ray scripts ect. But at the end of the day it's you who needs to get better at the game.

I did not click on the videos before i made my post. Now, i just clicked on it. what i see?

Darkfall Online - Anma Oakglade Destroyer

So let me repeat myself. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb.

Myself and a lot of other players, the reason why we wont be a destroyer as long that we are average, its because its expensive to play as one and owning at the same time. Soloing as a destroyer, unless you got 100 quickness is way too hard unless you are Itwas luck. Itwasluck is like the script master of darkfall anyway.

Now, time to watch the whole video...

Ok let me stop at 0:10. I just cant take you seriously anymore when i see him wearing high end gears like infernal.

Last thing, amna is using script BTW. I watched enough pvp videos to see when someone is using a script. Look at her hotbar, notice how fast she can do a 180 spin. So please...

I'm not a destroyer and I don't use scripts yet I do well in combat. Yes scripts make some things easier to do but don't blame bad player skill on a lack of scripts. Such scripts are so easy to get hold of there's no reason a new player wouldn't find them if they looked however.

When you've been playing for a month or maybe a little more there is no reason why you can't farm mobs to afford such gear, I don't feel I posses the skill level to go around in Infernal but 3-4 piece FP set is so easy to get. 180 script... using a high sensativity, both achieve the same thing. Lets say he is using that script, by learning the game any player is welcome to use the same script, which isn't cheating.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

edit again: even if you mean only sword and shield script, our opinion is still different, but its defintly possible to play without scripts just very few people do it 

1st of all, everyone in darkfall use scripts. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb. 

Funny how you have to use third party utilities in a game not to be considered noobs. Maybe it is the devs who are "noobs" to implement a UI which requires you to use third party utilities to be competetive?

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Greymoor

He's not using any macros when he's pvping on the character shown there.

edit again: even if you mean only sword and shield script, our opinion is still different, but its defintly possible to play without scripts just very few people do it 

1st of all, everyone in darkfall use scripts. If you dont use scripts, you are either a destroyer/mage killer or a newb. 

Funny how you have to use third party utilities in a game not to be considered noobs. Maybe it is the devs who are "noobs" to implement a UI which requires you to use third party utilities to be competetive?

The devs obviously dont even play darkfall themself so its a good point to consider them as noobs.

In the upcoming expension, DF Arena, they will work on the UI so soon, it might become fair for the players who dont use scripts.