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Darkfall Forum » General Discussion raquo; PVP video: Cheat or not? Make your own conclusion.

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  Realbigdeal

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4/15/11 9:29:51 AM#1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzPcCGamjE8

I call it cheating. Its impossible to do all that while blind. But again, he posted this video publicly and he is not even banned yet, so im really confuse.

Played DF trial for 2 weeks none stop. Check out my pvp video during trial.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJnU_JEqKRM
So you can stop posting that i played DF only for 2 weeks over and over again.

  MadnessRealm

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4/15/11 10:14:01 AM#2

The "first evidence" does seem a little shady, although when he gets blinded, he appears to move to try to avoid (as he does get hit by what is most likely a whirlwind.. But the 3 others I didn't see any issue with them, it really didn't look like hacking/cheating to me.

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  Sid_Vicious

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4/17/11 9:16:43 PM#3

Doesn't look like hacking to me. Probably just plays this game . .. a lot! And has headphones obviously. Its not that uncommon to keep DPS going while blind as you can just circle until your crosshair hits a name or just fire in the general direction that you can hear him. Sight in Darkfall is only part of it. A lot of player skill comes from hearing and having eyes in back of your head. People can know the exact moment when to zig-zag when running away even though the chaser cannot be seen because you can just listen to the spell or bow release behind you.

 

It was luck on one of those clearly lol

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  cosy

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4/18/11 7:32:49 AM#4
gamma correction ?

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  Valerien

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4/18/11 7:40:01 AM#5

combination of knowing the terrain and fighting in it enough to know which direction a person would be running and sound I would imagine.

 

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

 

edit: 2nd 'evidence' is him just releasing the shot he was already in progress of knocking when the blind goes off and then he casts stam to mana lol.

 

3rd one he is obviously trying to make the enemy health bar appear before release.

 

i think you're looking too hard for him to cheat, anything can appear that way to you when you're staring at every frame looking for it.

  MadnessRealm

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4/18/11 9:59:58 AM#6
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

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  DarthRaiden

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4/18/11 10:41:43 AM#7
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

But even the "pixel detection" requires you to aim on a valid target as far as they have been discussed on the forums they just "release" a shot if in the "target window" is a target - if i understood it right.

If you already are aiming around in mid action then there is no point using it, the max you get is you would probably release a shot faster then what you would manualy.  I think this pixel detection macros have been made up for afk magic macroing to make sure there is a target and dont waste reagenz at least i can see their "usefullness"  in that case. 

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  Gadzy

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4/18/11 3:13:27 PM#8
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

You can't use pixel detection when your entire screen is white.

  Sid_Vicious

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4/18/11 8:56:45 PM#9
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

player skill > pixel detection

 

Thanks to no strafe-sprinting.

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  DarkEnergy

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4/18/11 9:35:56 PM#10

It doesn't look as a cheat to me iether... >.<

  MadnessRealm

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4/18/11 10:16:12 PM#11
Originally posted by Gadzy
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

You can't use pixel detection when your entire screen is white.

Of course you can. If you're aiming at a player while blinded by Confusion, the health bar will shows up, and it will trigger pixel detection.

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  Gadzy

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4/19/11 3:07:43 AM#12
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Gadzy
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

You can't use pixel detection when your entire screen is white.

Of course you can. If you're aiming at a player while blinded by Confusion, the health bar will shows up, and it will trigger pixel detection.

But the health bar will always be directly in the middle of the screen. It can't be used by programs to track players.

  DarthRaiden

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4/19/11 4:08:11 AM#13
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Gadzy
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

You can't use pixel detection when your entire screen is white.

Of course you can. If you're aiming at a player while blinded by Confusion, the health bar will shows up, and it will trigger pixel detection.

I forgot the best argument why pixel detection won't help you much midst fight, if enemys move around you need to lead your shot and often  aim ahead and/or above of the target so the time you release the shot there is no target bar.

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  mrw0lf

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4/19/11 4:36:21 AM#14

Cheat imo.

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  MadnessRealm

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4/19/11 6:34:08 AM#15
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Gadzy
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Valerien

if that was a cheat it would be well incredibly programmed that I would give him a roudn of applause just for that.

There "is" a hack in DarkFall known as Pixel Detection. It can be used like an auto-aim and that's what OP seems to be thinking of. Albeit, auto-aim hack is very rare and most of the time where it seems like it's a hack, it's not, but I've seen it a couple of times.

You can't use pixel detection when your entire screen is white.

Of course you can. If you're aiming at a player while blinded by Confusion, the health bar will shows up, and it will trigger pixel detection.

I forgot the best argument why pixel detection won't help you much midst fight, if enemys move around you need to lead your shot and often  aim ahead and/or above of the target so the time you release the shot there is no target bar.

Aiming isn't really hard though. Anyone that's played FPS can do it easily. The biggest issue players can face would be the ping difference, but that's about it. So in that regard, Pixel Detection can become a powerful tool to be efficient in all situations, wether you are blinded or not. But again, Pixel Detection isn't really common, it's quite rare to be more accurate so hardly a factor. Still doesn't change the fact that it exist and is being used to win battles by a few players, but anyway, it's not the case for Itwas Luck.

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  byz4ntinian

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4/27/11 12:36:45 PM#16

Itwasluck is a known hacker, exploiter, and overall cheater, and you know this just as well as anyone else on the DF Forums RealBigDeal. In case anyone thinks anything Itwasluck does isn't a hack/cheat/exploit, he even posts PvP videos of himself exploiting and winning fights just to gloat. Don't believe me? Here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EidI7Irt5D0&feature=channel_video_title

 

In this one he's using an exploit to allow himself to have two Q5 Staff enchantments (Stamina Efficiency and Magic Encumbrance reduction) WITHOUT HAVING A STAFF out. (Have an enchanted staff out, get knocked to the ground, revived, and BAM you keep the active enchants up even with swithcing weapons). I'm posting the method of exploit because it's already been patched and you can't do it anymore. Not that it didn't take MONTHS for AV to patch it. He even thinks it's so hilarious and cute he cover's up the black boxes with smiley faces.

So yes, these are all hacks. There are no assumptions, or valid alternate opinions/conclusions other than Itwasluck is a cheater.

  Sid_Vicious

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4/27/11 1:24:01 PM#17
Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Aiming isn't really hard though. Anyone that's played FPS can do it easily. The biggest issue players can face would be the ping difference, but that's about it. So in that regard, Pixel Detection can become a powerful tool to be efficient in all situations, wether you are blinded or not. But again, Pixel Detection isn't really common, it's quite rare to be more accurate so hardly a factor. Still doesn't change the fact that it exist and is being used to win battles by a few players, but anyway, it's not the case for Itwas Luck.

I used to duel someone who tried to perfect pixel detection and he couldn't beat me once. The only time that it actually worked for him was when I didn't know where he was for a second but as soon as the shots landed cover was between us and I was dodging crazy like I always do and his program ended up messing him up more than helping him yet again. Its because that there is no strafe-sprint that it totally sucks and also the fact that there is lag and having to aim before or above someone in almost all cases. People move in an unpredictable manner and you have to shoot where you suspect his next move will be which that program cannot do.

Originally posted by byz4ntinian

Itwasluck is a known hacker, exploiter, and overall cheater, and you know this just as well as anyone else on the DF Forums RealBigDeal. In case anyone thinks anything Itwasluck does isn't a hack/cheat/exploit, he even posts PvP videos of himself exploiting and winning fights just to gloat. Don't believe me? Here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EidI7Irt5D0&feature=channel_video_title

 

In this one he's using an exploit to allow himself to have two Q5 Staff enchantments (Stamina Efficiency and Magic Encumbrance reduction) WITHOUT HAVING A STAFF out. (Have an enchanted staff out, get knocked to the ground, revived, and BAM you keep the active enchants up even with swithcing weapons). I'm posting the method of exploit because it's already been patched and you can't do it anymore. Not that it didn't take MONTHS for AV to patch it. He even thinks it's so hilarious and cute he cover's up the black boxes with smiley faces.

So yes, these are all hacks. There are no assumptions, or valid alternate opinions/conclusions other than Itwasluck is a cheater.

He is not a known hacker. Those are not hacks. AV didn't fix it for months. Everyone in a larger clan was doing it. It was an exploit that you explained yourself and I almost guarantee that the guy he fought in that video had the same buffs . .. I know that whenever he would come raiding our cities most of the guys that would go out after him would have those buffs because it was a known bug in the game at that time and not a hack. AV would have banned people for it if it was a hack of any kind. You might as well call anyone playing the game during that time a hacker because most people in the top clans did it.

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  byz4ntinian

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4/27/11 1:34:39 PM#18

Wow imagine that, another vet using the same lame ass excuse as Itwasluck did. "Everyone is probably doing it so I should definitely do it just to compete", and "he could be using it too so I should as well". You're all failures. Carry on with your DamnCheaters clients with radar and stickyback, pixel detection aim bots, and whirlwind melee scripts leveled up by wall hacking and mob bugging. Cuz those make you legit. Your type has been here since day one and infect this game as a disease.

  maskedweasel

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4/27/11 1:49:55 PM#19

I don't play darkfall anymore, and didn't play it for long, but I play enough FPS games to say, if this ISN'T a hack, it very closely mimicks what a usual aim-bot would do.  I've played with many fantastic FPS players and I have to say only bots are infallible, especially in situations with little to no visual confirmation of a target.

 

Is it possible to do what was seen in the video?  Yeah its possible,  especially if sound is that much of a factor and is the player can use it accurately but,  still seems somewhat improbable with the way some of those shots appear.

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  xanphia

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4/27/11 2:36:41 PM#20
Originally posted by byz4ntinian

Wow imagine that, another vet using the same lame ass excuse as Itwasluck did. "Everyone is probably doing it so I should definitely do it just to compete", and "he could be using it too so I should as well". You're all failures. Carry on with your DamnCheaters clients with radar and stickyback, pixel detection aim bots, and whirlwind melee scripts leveled up by wall hacking and mob bugging. Cuz those make you legit. Your type has been here since day one and infect this game as a disease.

You do realize none of what you just said happens anymore? Maybe the mob bugging but pixel detection, aim bots, radar, none of that.

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