Hello all,

I could not sleep last night and started thinking of Darkfall and how good it could have been. I loved the game PlanetSide and was hoping that this was going to be a fantasy version of it but with lots more depth. 

Well It kind of is in that the combat is just perfect, real FPS style combat, twitch based action but ... it is all about being in a clan and having high skill. There is too much emphasis on character skills and stats. What was great about PS was that there was no hidden dice rolls. So anyway :

Here is my suggestion:

- All new players are automatically part of a racial clan. This would work in the same way as the starter corporations in Eve. This way everyone gets starter help and is involved in racial wars from the start.

- Leaders are elected and operate in a similar manner to the Command Rank 5 in PS (global and regional commanders)

- You can opt out of the starter clan at any time and join a player made clan.

- All cities can be captured by different races like the bases are captured in PlanetSide giving benefits to being in that race.

- ARAC guilds can still exist but are on the fringes of the racial war doing there own thing owning cities if they choose.

This would give the game some much needed purpose and make it much easier to pick up the game and be involved in an ever present war. I have not thought about how the mechanics would work such as what happens if one race captures all an enemy races bases. 

I would love to see this in Darkfall. I would play it from now till the servers shut. But they must reduce drastically the effects of having high skill. Also the economics needs a massive overhall as as it stands it does not exist.

But racial wars are a must !

Originally posted by Saorlan

Hello all,

I could not sleep last night and started thinking of Darkfall and how good it could have been. I loved the game PlanetSide and was hoping that this was going to be a fantasy version of it but with lots more depth. 

Well It kind of is in that the combat is just perfect, real FPS style combat, twitch based action but ... it is all about being in a clan and having high skill. There is too much emphasis on character skills and stats. What was great about PS was that there was no hidden dice rolls. So anyway :

Here is my suggestion:

- All new players are automatically part of a racial clan. This would work in the same way as the starter corporations in Eve. This way everyone gets starter help and is involved in racial wars from the start.

- Leaders are elected and operate in a similar manner to the Command Rank 5 in PS (global and regional commanders)

- You can opt out of the starter clan at any time and join a player made clan.

- All cities can be captured by different races like the bases are captured in PlanetSide giving benefits to being in that race.

- ARAC guilds can still exist but are on the fringes of the racial war doing there own thing owning cities if they choose.

This would give the game some much needed purpose and make it much easier to pick up the game and be involved in an ever present war. I have not thought about how the mechanics would work such as what happens if one race captures all an enemy races bases. 

I would love to see this in Darkfall. I would play it from now till the servers shut. But they must reduce drastically the effects of having high skill. Also the economics needs a massive overhall as as it stands it does not exist.

But racial wars are a must !

 The mechanical differences between the races aren't significant enough to support factional warfare. It's a skin and a few minor attribute changess and very little else. This would be a very major change at a very late stage in the game and that's never a good idea.

The game needs a massive change or it is going to fall off the radar completely, it is never too late for that.

Who cares if the races are not that different? It is the massive scale organised combat that this can offer that will draw people in like PlanetSide.

I am suprised that know one else feels this way. Perhaps people have had enough of this games idea,  I hope not as it really is the best engine/game out there for a sandbox game.

I mean Mortal Online is basically a fail and Xsyom or whatever it is called is also looking like a fail, it does not give us too much hope. The only hope at the moment is Darkfall changing.

Well hopefully Darkfall 2010 will change the broken ARAC mechanics they have at the moment.

You can tell that this was part of the original plan as one of the starter quests is to kill 3 Orc players when you are human. 

Originally posted by Saorlan

The game needs a massive change or it is going to fall off the radar completely, it is never too late for that.

Who cares if the races are not that different? It is the massive scale organised combat that this can offer that will draw people in like PlanetSide.

 

I am new to Darkfall. The trial they just released got me to try the game and I have to say so far it is great. Its been a bit of a lonesome journey so far becouse Im in Europe and had to install the US version...for some reason EU was corrupt everytime I downloaded. Anyway the only change this game needs as in immediatly is to get more recognition outside of its community and forums such as this. I mean this game is to be found nowhere but the official site. I dont understand why its not on D2D or even Steam. A Free Steam weekend would get massive numbers to try the game. Putting the game in an online store such as the two mentioned would also make  people more willing to actually buy the game, becouse there undoubtedly would be sales and such. Right now I and some friends that I got to try the game are most likely not going to buy the game, simply becouse the 50 euro asking price is pretty much twice as much as a standard game in Poland. This is a problem that I asked about on the official forums but never got a useful response. You also mentioned changes that would benefit new players such as myself. I like your idea very much becouse right now the first minutes after you log in, leave a very bad taste in the mouth of alot of poeple I know who are trying the game. They create their character and enter this new world and what do they find there? A barren starter city with a couple npcs and nothing else. Its give the impression that the devs put no effort into making the world believable.

I agree 100%. There should be more emphasis on the factions. I was disappointed to see that this was not the case. Hopefully they will fix it.

This is a perfect idea. I dont why why someone should disagree with you.

Racial or factional warfare also solves a big part of the zerg problem.  If the factions were wolf/orc    human/dwarf/elf   and emo elf, then it would be constant battle with shifting power without a chance to totally dominate and ruin the fun.  Unfortunately, this should have been done from release.  Of course attacking your own race should be allowed as well, but you should turn red and be outcast from towns.  Red players should only be able to form small guilds and use rogue outposts.  Of course, this could be discussed and revised.  Still, I doubt a change like this is on the table, no matter how many people might return.

I am hoping that Darkfall 2010 will bring this. 

Either that or they open a new server with different rule sets. Because there simply is no other MMO out that offers what Darkfall does, Mortal Online might have done once but it is a bugged out mod of an engine and not really a game at all. 

If Darkfall was given some direction and story then it really would be the best MMO out there.

Originally posted by Saorlan

I am suprised that know one else feels this way. Perhaps people have had enough of this games idea,  I hope not as it really is the best engine/game out there for a sandbox game.

I mean Mortal Online is basically a fail and Xsyom or whatever it is called is also looking like a fail, it does not give us too much hope. The only hope at the moment is Darkfall changing.

Actually you will find a ton of old DFO fans that felt this way. The problem is many moved on as this didin't and doesn't seem like something that will ever come to the game.

It's one of several reasons many left.

Moved onto where though?

Seems nowhere to go MMO wise anymore. I can't play the EQ/WOW point and click themepark shite anymore. Actually I have found a temporary home in World War 2 Online, it is not bad at all.

I still have hope that Darkfall will come through in the end :)

I feel your pain bro.

There is an update coming for DF but I don't think it adds anything substantial to the game.

Where are things like roaming bands of NPCs?

Where are NPCs that level up?

Where are dynamic spawns?

Where is all the lore, history, racial politics?

This is only half the game that we originally wanted.

I was one of those people that followed Darkfall for years and years.  At release it seemed to be the game they promised once they ironed out some server kinks.  Unfortunately, they lost their vision somewhere and forgot to flesh out what they wanted the game to be.  If they wanted it to just be a free for all, they should have made one race.  To include so much lore and all these races and only have them amount to a cosmetic difference, was a huge let down and a waste of time.  To all those who cry about guilds being split up if this were changed, a simple and free one time race change would solve that instantly.

Honestly though, the people who stayed, many of whom are not long term followers of the game and so have no idea what it was supposed to be orginally, are content and scared of any changes.  Since they are the income, I really doubt Aventurine will have the balls to pull their baby up to the standards they promised so long ago. 

Lets not even get into the massive grind this game has which was promised would not be there...

TBH, I think DF has seen its short lived glory days already and its just waiting to fade away or settle into mediocrity fully. 

Set your sights on something else if you want your wishes to come true.  Check back on DF on the off chance.

All this talk of Darkfall 2010 makes me wonder if they are finally going to add meaning to race and perhaps make the game not based around clan wars.

Personally I do agree.  More stress on race would be awesome.  I mean sure still allow people to go rouge against thier own race but it's they shouldn't be able to join clans outsite of their race/faction.  And, they do have a starter clan that you can join called NEW(but it's not default as it is run by the players).

And, like city control and that stuff would be amazing too but I doubt it will happen a now over a year after release.

Originally posted by Saorlan

I feel your pain bro.

There is an update coming for DF but I don't think it adds anything substantial to the game.

Where are things like roaming bands of NPCs?

Where are NPCs that level up?

Where are dynamic spawns?

Where is all the lore, history, racial politics?

This is only half the game that we originally wanted.

There are already some roaming mobs right now. Mobs are being controlled by GMs. There are reports of brownies following people around and stuff like that. The GM controlled events will surely get better with the amount of control over the mobs that they have. It is pretty amazing if you think about it. Who knows where they will take this? People haven't even figured out how to unlock any dynamic quests yet. I have some really good ideas of what someone is supposed to do from studying the lore but I am not sharing any since I want it to be me!

Every NPC in Agon currently levels up. Have you not noticed this? I have and been killed a few times because of it . .. especially after a friend is taken down by mobs and I am trying to res while the tougher mobs keep me away from my boddy.

So far the only reports of dynamic spawns have happened very close to player cities. Nothing too epic yet, but at least they have shown us what they are capable of!!

Recently the lore has been updated every week or two as part of the dynamic quests to unlock. Most people just gank or do other things. I doubt many have tried to find the hints in the lore and set out to unlock these quests.

This is only half of the game that we originally wanted but it was only a quarter of the game that we originally wanted a couple years ago and look how far it has come.

You want race wars? Than make them!! It is a sandbox game and there is nothing stopping you.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=267909

You have some good ideas and there is nothing stopping the players from controlling this. Maybe your next step would be to talk to the leaders of NEW or other clans for support and more brainstorming ideas. You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk? o_O

It's always a bad sign when a game has to force pvp by encouraging race wars.  The problem is, race wars will always be inherently meaningless because there's no way the devs will allow any side to get the upper hand!

This will never work. You can hardly trust players in blue in darkfall. So do you think they are gonna start trusting random clanned players just because they are the same race? I dont think so. The system willl simply get exploited even more.

Darkfall got friendly fire. You cannot just go and suggest anything from other games with FF in.

Coming from a player that only played for 2 weeks what can I expect.

Anyway the racial wars was in the original plan for the game. It makes being an Orc, Human, elf actually mean something. It also prevents the need for people to being in clans and stops the game becoming clanfall llike it is now.

There would have to be measures in the same what that PlanetSide has measures to stop one race totally owning the whole map, but that would be impossible as long as the who server pop was not playing one race.

I just read the plans for 2011 and there is nothing like this planned :(

Oh well Darkfall could have been so good.