Originally posted by Holgranth

Originally posted by JTBanker

Originally posted by Holgranth

 However I have questioned almost every other decision they have made since Febuary.

 

Wow do I feel old. I have been questioning the decisions or really lack thereof since the days of Razorwax when I signed up on their boards back in the 2001 timeframe.

Should be interesting to see the patch / expansion tomorrow. In fact don't you European players have it already for your EU client? After all it is the 6th over there already and we don't have an NA client available yet so we can't have the expansion yet. ROFLMAO..........

 

I for one don't really consider it an expansion unless it is adding a LARGE new Landmass new race/classes or other suitably big content updates. I'm sure there will be heated arguments about what exactly it is tomorrow IF it goes live. Big IF in my opinion.

Nor would most other people consider it an expansion without such additions.

My guess is it's going to be an update with possibly some new stuff... likely things that were hyped on their site for years but never made it in - the things their loyal defenders attempted to dismiss as "meaningless fluff", even as AV themself portrayed them as being far more significant in interviews, on the website, etc (the fans conveniently ignore such "minor details", of course). Wouldn't be surprised if they pull a Funcom with AoC, pretending it's all new content.

Also, it seems to me they're using the word "expansion" because it makes it sound more impressive than "update" and carries more positive implications for the game. For exampe, a game receiving an expansion is assumed (by those who don't know better) to be doing well enough to justify it... Releasing an expansion means that the game is growing substantially (again, to those who don't know better). In this scenario, putting out an expansion "so soon" conveys the message (again, to those who don't know better) that AV are really on the ball.

To put it another way...
I don't think "expansion" means what AV is pretending it does.

It's just more marketing spin and BS from them.

Of course, sadly, the only people who will buy it are those who put on the Tasos-colored lenses a long time ago and refuse to remove them.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Otiro

No, You mean to say "More money does not equal better games for me". Don't assume that everyone here thinks like you do, or likes the same things you do.

But for what you are replying to. See if Darkfall gets more money they can have the chance to hire more developers, or increase their servers to handle more and better game mechanics ( I mean code for you). In which case you could have an even more fulfilling gaming experience.

Do you understand? But of course you don't care about making the game better, that would mean we arenot talking about the game.

Ow well like Darkfall 1 step forward 2 steps back.

 

More money does not equal better game for me...correct

I personally have not been impressed with the big studio games, I assume you are. If that assumption is correct then it means you have a much larger selection of games YOU like to play then I do. Which begs the question...why are you here?

 

About 2 weeks ago, quite coincidentally, I reinstalled this game called Neverwinter Nights.  I kid you not.  I really did.  Yes, I threw up a little when I read that you've taken a break from DFO to play with NwN.

So,
You've taken a break from DFO.
You're playing NwN.

NwN was made by this studio called Bioware.
I have these other games.  Baldur's gate.  Both one and two, plus the expansions.  They were also made by that studio Bioware. 
All of these excellent games.

Care to say again that you aren't impressed with big studio games?

You're also wrong.
More money doesn't GUARANTEE a better game.  But for a lot of studios it def. improves thier chances of developing one.  More money doesn't just mean more devs.  It can mean BETTER devs, more EXPERIENCED devs.  Better and more experienced artists, etc. etc.

More money often means better games, but doesn't always guarantee it.
BTW, the "big studios" have been consistantly putting out award winning games.  They also put out a lot of crap too. 

CAUSE THEY HAVE MORE MONEY. 
More money also means that a studio can produce more games.

DFO is crap because it's crap.  Av is a horrible company that produced a bad game.  Give them more money and they would be a horrible company with more money to produce a bad game.  Money has nothing to do with Av producing a bad game.   A little or a lot, the game is the game, and it sucks.

And it's not an expansion.  It's a patch.
They are only calling it an expansion because it's taking them a month and a half to put it out. 
Maybe if they had more money they could hire more people to code and the patch could have made it out on time and sooner. 

ROFL! Funny you just happened to mention the three games I just recently dusted off and reinstalled :} BG1-2 And NWN lol.

Got tired of FO2, the lost content mod is nice thought if you havnt tried it, it introduced content that didnt make the game release.

Originally posted by WSIMike

To put it another way...
I don't think "expansion" means what AV is pretending it does.

It's just more marketing spin and BS from them.

Of course, sadly, the only people who will buy it are those who put on the Tasos-colored lenses a long time ago and refuse to remove them.

I'm glad the general populace isn't letting Tasos lipservice stand.

Darkfall does not have an expansion.. it's a patch and a new server.  Big deal.

Originally posted by junzo316

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rhinok

It amazes me that 5 days before the NA launch was supposed to happen we still don't know anything about the publisher or any other details of the launch. If I had to guess, I'd say they're withholding launch info until post expansion in order to hopefully ride the coat tails of the expansion euphoria.

I still have a sinking feeling the North American expansion is going to be more of the same "Mickey Mouse" publisher/billing/account shenanigans we've seen with the European server. Unfortunately, Aventurine isn't doing any damage control at all.

~Ripper

 

In all fairness and sarcasm aside I am not exactly sure I understand why you want to know the publisher.

Could you (and I again an honest question) why it matters that you know who the publisher is?

I think because Tasos explained that the reason that there will be a charge for the NA client is because there is a different publisher, so licensing and such is added in.  If there is no new publisher, then Tasos has lied yet again and this just becomes a money grab.

They probably in the hasty process of registering a phony bussiness to cover that up and pretend there is a different publisher.. but the registration process takes longer then expected and so they are forced to delay.

Now that would be a good one. But frankly I would even be suprised one bit, as it would be totally in the deceiving style of Tasos and Co.

Cheers

Originally posted by shukes33

 

Not just an expansion but a FREE expansion, so you tell me now what other games release an expansion for free? with the exception of VG..which was also content that was missing from release.

Lineage 2 has never charged for any of their expansions, since Day 1. Prelude, Chronicles 1-5, Interlude and now the Gracia expansions... all included for the subscription fee. NC have grown the game world, and the game itself, considerably. And they do count as expansions. Each one has included some combination of new skills, new activities, entire new regions/continents... creatures.. game systems... etc. etc... One introduced a new race with their own unique classes. The game is going to continue to get larger.

And we all read the notes didn't we, when he was explaining that they prefer to call it an expansion because it is so large! but were all adults here and realise that it is still technically just another patch dont we :) or do we? ok i am speaking for myself here and can't judge others.

Then they should call it a patch or an update, not an expansion. The terms have completely different meanings and should not be used interchangeably.

As I stated in an earlier post... an expansion is a much bigger deal than an update or patch. Updates are an expected part of any MMO, as are patches. They don't get as much attention because they're the norm. An expansion, however, carries much more significance as they don't come as often. They are indicative of the game being successful, allowing and warranting an entire expansion's worth of content to be created and released. They're big news.

It might seem like "only semantics"... until you consider what AV are actually releasing.. and what they are hyping it as.

As usual, they're being dishonest... spinning like tops.

In several ways, they remind me of a start-up indie game company I was working with some years back. A few of us, including myself, were focused on creating as good of a game as we could, letting our work speak for itself. Others, including the owners, found it more important to hype us up (at E3, no less) as a "kick-ass game company" who was creating "revolutionary" and "award winning" games, etc. etc. We hadn't put out anything yet to prove ourselves as even capable of releasing a *good* game, much less a "revolutionary" or "award winning" one. We barely had a working tech demo.

It was all hype, no substance. Sound familiar?

Fortunately things fell apart before we'd gotten much exposure. It saved us a lot of embarrassment.

Point is, the shenanigans from Tasos and AV reminds me all too much of some of what was going on back then... and I'm pretty much certain the outcome would have been similar if we'd continued.

As of yet there is STILL no info on the main site regarding the upcoming "expansion". However there IS a increasingly large number of Locked threads demanding "Somthing!, Anything!" about it and rehashing what is already known.

As other people have more or less said"Expansion" adding "All new content" and "Redefining the game" sounds a lot more exciting than "Largish patch to put in some (but not all) of the stuff we pretended to have up and running right up to launch." And while the big "E" word might draw a few people back and make others look into the game unless it truely DOSE redefine the game they won't be staying long.

Especially if the NA launch is PLAGUED by the sort of buggyness that large patches are prone to having even WITH copious amounts of public testing. Blizzard I seem to remember pushed the massive PvE/PvP rebalancing patch 3.03 MONTHS before the release of Wrath of the Litch King. Public tested the snot out of Litch King and still had to apply a fair number of bandaids in short order to both the patch and the expansion.

And they have A LOT more experience and rescources to bring to bear on fixing things.

 Good luck Aventurine Fools may walk where Angels dare not tread.

Originally posted by Holgranth

As of yet there is STILL no info on the main site regarding the upcoming "expansion". However there IS a increasingly large number of Locked threads demanding "Somthing!, Anything!" about it and rehashing what is already known.

As other people have more or less said"Expansion" adding "All new content" and "Redefining the game" sounds a lot more exciting than "Largish patch to put in some (but not all) of the stuff we pretended to have up and running right up to launch." And while the big "E" word might draw a few people back and make others look into the game unless it truely DOSE redefine the game they won't be staying long.

Especially if the NA launch is PLAGUED by the sort of buggyness that large patches are prone to having even WITH copious amounts of public testing. Blizzard I seem to remember pushed the massive PvE/PvP rebalancing patch 3.03 MONTHS before the release of Wrath of the Litch King. Public tested the snot out of Litch King and still had to apply a fair number of bandaids in short order to both the patch and the expansion.

And they have A LOT more experience and rescources to bring to bear on fixing things.

 Good luck Aventurine Fools may walk where Angels dare not tread.

www.darkfallonline.com/expansion/