Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Kyleran

No, the end user license agreements might be a good reason why people will never win a lawsuit against AV, but they certainly do have a right to be pissed off being asked to pay 2 times.

And as others have mentioned, they have a  right to stop paying AV anything going forward.

RIP Darkfall, we hardly knew ya

 

Laugh..

With the total tonnage of crappy games in this industry piling up so high one cant even find one game worth playing if you are willing to quit a game you like because you have to pay twice more power to you!

Yeah, that's an issue for people with a backbone and a modicum of self-respect.   You needn't worry, princess.

A lot of people actually don't like the game in its current state - paying twice for it just seals the deal on them leaving for good.

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Laugh..

With the total tonnage of crappy games in this industry piling up so high one cant even find one game worth playing if you are willing to quit a game you like because you have to pay twice more power to you!

 

Yeah, that's an issue for people with a backbone and a modicum of self-respect.   You needn't worry, princess.

Neither of those traits are serious problems for those who put up (and even defend) the arrogant attitudes Aventurine has displayed toward the community from before release.     I think masochism is a pre-requisite for the game.  

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Laugh..

With the total tonnage of crappy games in this industry piling up so high one cant even find one game worth playing if you are willing to quit a game you like because you have to pay twice more power to you!

 

Yeah, that's an issue for people with a backbone and a modicum of self-respect.   You needn't worry, princess.

 

Neither of those traits are serious problems for those who put up (and even defend) the arrogant attitudes Aventurine has displayed toward the community from before release.     I think masochism is a pre-requisite for the game.  

I think it's blind fanboi-ism nowadays. Even us masochists have moved on to other games.
 

Originally posted by Brif

Originally posted by shukes33

the point most are forgetting is that you simply DONT have to buy the game twice.

The only reason you need to is if you just can't wait for 3 months on the EU server. and if you have been playing on the EU server up untill now, then i dont get it...why the sudden need to change? just wait the 3 months lol!

Or do we have to buy it twice and i am missing something? i can't find it anywhere in the forums?

 

Won't there be a $50 dollar fee to switch servers in 3 months anyway?

no.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by shukes33

the point most are forgetting is that you simply DONT have to buy the game twice.

The only reason you need to is if you just can't wait for 3 months on the EU server. and if you have been playing on the EU server up untill now, then i dont get it...why the sudden need to change? just wait the 3 months lol!

Or do we have to buy it twice and i am missing something? i can't find it anywhere in the forums?

 

well the deal is this. many people (myself included if I was moving to NA) want to re-roll and take advantage of the land grab as soon as possible. They also want to ge in new at the start with other players building their skills liget with a server that has a few more "cheat corrections".

So yeah, from my view point if I had plans on NA I would want to start as soon as possible and I would have to spend the extra money. Thing is, although I do not consider myself wealthy, an extra $50 given the other options for that $50 is not all that bad.

Good answer friend. you actually made me see it the other way. now i have sympathy for those who want a fresh start from scratch. but still think the ones who want a transfer from day one are just power hungry ego trips who want to take advantage of newcomers newbieness.

But for those that want a fresh start i see your point and sorry for offending any of you.

Originally posted by cesog

In the EULA it allows the owners to change whatever the hell they want.

You agree to it upon playing.

 

That is all.

It doesnt and you are incorrect.

An EULA is a contract.

A contract, for it to be legal, cannot contain clauses that require a party of the contract to renage  their basic legal rights.

this is why SWG were forced to offer refunds for the exapansion the released 5 days before the nge appeared.

EULA or not they were liable for breaking basic consumer rights under statute.

Originally posted by Valetman

Originally posted by cesog

In the EULA it allows the owners to change whatever the hell they want.

You agree to it upon playing.

 

That is all.

It doesnt and you are incorrect.

 

An EULA is a contract.

A contract, for it to be legal, cannot contain clauses that require a party of the contract to renage  their basic legal rights.

 

this is why SWG were forced to offer refunds for the exapansion the released 5 days before the nge appeared.

 

EULA or not they were liable for breaking basic consumer rights under statute.

 

 

Dont forget in europe it is different friend.

For instance we employ 36 people and in each and every contract it states that job duties could change at anytime. And it is perfectly legal. In England we use a company called First Buisness that check each contract before issuing them.

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by Valetman

Originally posted by cesog

In the EULA it allows the owners to change whatever the hell they want.

You agree to it upon playing.

 

That is all.

It doesnt and you are incorrect.

 

An EULA is a contract.

A contract, for it to be legal, cannot contain clauses that require a party of the contract to renage  their basic legal rights.

 

this is why SWG were forced to offer refunds for the exapansion the released 5 days before the nge appeared.

 

EULA or not they were liable for breaking basic consumer rights under statute.

 

 

 

Dont forget in europe it is different friend.

For instance we employ 36 people and in each and every contract it states that job duties could change at anytime. And it is perfectly legal. In England we use a company called First Buisness that check each contract before issuing them.

Short simple answer to your drival.... Bull Shite.

Lets see some citations and statutory references proving your statement.

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by shukes33

the point most are forgetting is that you simply DONT have to buy the game twice.

The only reason you need to is if you just can't wait for 3 months on the EU server. and if you have been playing on the EU server up untill now, then i dont get it...why the sudden need to change? just wait the 3 months lol!

Or do we have to buy it twice and i am missing something? i can't find it anywhere in the forums?

 

well the deal is this. many people (myself included if I was moving to NA) want to re-roll and take advantage of the land grab as soon as possible. They also want to ge in new at the start with other players building their skills liget with a server that has a few more "cheat corrections".

So yeah, from my view point if I had plans on NA I would want to start as soon as possible and I would have to spend the extra money. Thing is, although I do not consider myself wealthy, an extra $50 given the other options for that $50 is not all that bad.

 

Good answer friend. you actually made me see it the other way. now i have sympathy for those who want a fresh start from scratch. but still think the ones who want a transfer from day one are just power hungry ego trips who want to take advantage of newcomers newbieness.

But for those that want a fresh start i see your point and sorry for offending any of you.

This assumes there are more active players than spots to compete for.  At the current rate of erosion, how many will be left of the few thousand (3000?) now online when NA servers comes to play?  How many new sub will occur?

If there are more land to grab than people interest in fighting you for it, then well, grab all you want and come back online, talking more about DF here.  The game of DF is played on forums, where you defend the game, as there is no point fighting inside the game.

EULA is like a contract agreed.But in my country there are Consumer rights which are written perfectly in the Constitution.If a EULA even if agreed and signed or whatever you want is unconstitutional then the company is pretty much screwed and can easily lose in a court.European court is known for its pro-constitution decisions.

On the other hand i havent read DF EULA so cant really say if this applies to this occasion. 

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by shukes33

the point most are forgetting is that you simply DONT have to buy the game twice.

The only reason you need to is if you just can't wait for 3 months on the EU server. and if you have been playing on the EU server up untill now, then i dont get it...why the sudden need to change? just wait the 3 months lol!

Or do we have to buy it twice and i am missing something? i can't find it anywhere in the forums?

 

well the deal is this. many people (myself included if I was moving to NA) want to re-roll and take advantage of the land grab as soon as possible. They also want to ge in new at the start with other players building their skills liget with a server that has a few more "cheat corrections".

So yeah, from my view point if I had plans on NA I would want to start as soon as possible and I would have to spend the extra money. Thing is, although I do not consider myself wealthy, an extra $50 given the other options for that $50 is not all that bad.

 

Good answer friend. you actually made me see it the other way. now i have sympathy for those who want a fresh start from scratch. but still think the ones who want a transfer from day one are just power hungry ego trips who want to take advantage of newcomers newbieness.

But for those that want a fresh start i see your point and sorry for offending any of you.

 

This assumes there are more active players than spots to compete for.  At the current rate of erosion, how many will be left of the few thousand (3000?) now online when NA servers comes to play?  How many new sub will occur?

If there are more land to grab than people interest in fighting you for it, then well, grab all you want and come back online, talking more about DF here.  The game of DF is played on forums, where you defend the game, as there is no point fighting inside the game.

Need anyone say anymore?